Goddam Harrassment Ticket
 

ok this is a mickey mouse ticket but it still irks me

Ok me and 2 buddies are in my car and im driving .... Im not speeding, Im not weaving in and out of traffic... Just heading to West Humber to pick up a friend... I see a cop cruiser in the lane next to me... So i dont pay much attention because im not doing anything wrong, my civic is not modified etc etc...

So he slows down till he's behind me and pulls into my lane... then the cherries come on

Im thinking what could I have possibly done... My plates are legit, no muffler noises, no smoking, and everyones wearing their belt... well except the guy in the rear, but the cop cant see that..

so the cop approaches the car and right away I ask him politely If i had done anything wrong.. He says "No but i noticed your plates are registered in ottawa".. and i say yeah cuz i live there... im in T.O for a couple of months till school starts again... so he says pull out the license, ownership, insurance... so im goin through my pocket looking for my wallet and realise i left it at home... stupid me, its my fault... so he goes easy on me and gives me just the "failing to surrender insurance card CAIA" ticket... which isnt so bad... BUT MY POINT IS WHY WAS I STOPPED.... YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PERFECT I WAS DRIVING EVEN WHEN I DIDNT SEE HIM YET

man i thought when i sold my rice-mobile that i would be rid of random police pullovers but nope... ongoing problem

maybe it was racial discrimination, maybe you were driving like a maniac and didn't know, who knows, either way unless you had anything on tape, it'd be hard to prove otherwise and now you're stuck with a minor fine ...

personally i've never been stopped for no reason, and i drive pretty fast even when the cops are around (fast as in 65 on a 60 when everyone else is going EXACTLY 60 or below) and i've never been stopped ... so you must have done something to attract his attention

trust me on this.. There was absolutely nothing done to attract his attention... i was doing pretty much the speed limit give or take 2km/h... no faster and no slower than anyone else.. and i was in one lane since I left my house.... I wasnt even gunning down on the pedal at all from stop lights when they turned green...

I dont know if it was racial... Im brown(Tamil), my two passengers are black... but at the same time, the cop was asian(chinese I think). So im not gonna really focus on that.

My theory is that it was a bunch of guys in a honda civic made it reason enough... but i was surprised either way... because there were plenty of cars out at this time... 3:45pm

I dont mind the fine... but the fact that it will count as a minor conviction and my insurance rates will go up does bother me

If the cop had no reason to pull u over then the ticket is bogus, cuz the guy had no reaosn to pull you over then he would never have found out you weren't carrying the right info/ID

Charter says:
9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.
Arrest or detention
10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention
a) to be informed promptly of the reasons therefor;
b) to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right; and
c) to have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful.

So pulling you over cuz you had Ottawa registered plates is crap

see i thought of that.. whether it is legal to pull me over for no reason... but then i considered spot checks... they are random and without cause... just to check for impaired drivers with no indication that the person is impaired in the first place... if they can do that, im pretty sure they can stop me for no reason

You seem to forget that police can stop any motor vehicle anytime to check to see if the person driving has a valid licence and insurance.

And by way of the HTA and CAIA it is an offence not to carry the required documents (driver's licence, registration/permit and a valid insurance card). These are very simply things to carry with you at all times.

Leave the ownership and insurance card (know when it expires) in your car. Who cares if someone steals the car with it in anyway, it won't make a difference to the thief if they get caught and you have reported the MV stolen anyway.

Since most people usually stop somewhere to buy something, always have your wallet which would contain your licence....there all 3 documents would have been there and you would have been on your way.
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I've been stopped before for just the simply checks of my documents and looking at it, I really appreciate it. I would rather know police are checking drivers and vehicles....last thing would be to be in an accident and the other person not be licenced or no insurance, or worse yet be a pedestrian and be run over by someone without insurance or unlicenced.

I'd rather be stopped and checked (I have my documents), makes me feel secure police are in the area, checking people in my area. The thefts in our local area have also gone down with these increased checks.
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Bottom line is it is easy to keep all documents with you, having a valid driving licence is a priviledge NOT a right.

bla bla bla... if you just read the post that i made before yours... you'll see that i know that police can stop me at random... and if you read the first post...you'll see that i accepted that it was my mistake not to carry the documents.. im not trying to escape accountability so your long ass boring essay doesnt do all

go waste your time with someone else..

I was wondering why I was specifically targeted nothing more, becaues I know people who never get stopped at random no matter how many police they pass by.. it seems to happen to me often

perhaps I should be happy like you that every other time I leave my house Im stopped wasting my time... Do you think that its fair and just that Im not able to move about freely in this city and have to submit to these pullovers.

You may appreciate it, I DONT. I dont get tickets everytime but thats not the friggen point.

Lets say im going to work or an exam... and I get pulled over.. some police take their time... I should be happy that ill be late right? Or maybe you might suggest that I should factor in pullover time before I even leave my house

im have no criminal record, never ticketed for racing or anything, car not modified, my only question is why me? AND IF YOU CANT ANSWER THAT QUESTION MOOSEBOY, I DONT CARE WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE TO SAY.

I read all the posts.
The pro victim ones .
The pro cop ones.
What we really need to see now is the cops veiw . Yes , his veiw . I would like to see him post on here and explain what the infetissimal (sp) detail was that triggered him to pull you over.
What was it about your car , passengers, the colour of the sky, the direction of the wind, the urgency to have a bowel movement, that made him think. HMMMM, I better pull this guy over. Rather than any of the other cars in his veiw that day.??.
Guess what 10 bucks says protecting society may be the answer of choice to defend/explain his actions , but its all gonna sound like B/S..77.

according to him when i asked. the reason he pulled me over is because my plates are not from around here.. they're from ottawa

which makes me wonder why he even felt the need to run the plates while he was driving...

im not gonna complain about this further... i guess it happens... i just wish it friggen wouldnt.

Sometimes, these "insurance checks" are based on a cops "hunch". There is no justification for running plates, only person that can tell you is the cop himself. IF you want to find out, you can go follow:

http://www.torontostreetracing.com/o...ead.php?t=1762

<moose> had a good reply

Kingstom is running a pilot project where every time cop pulls over someone, has to document: reason, race, outcome, etc. The findings will come out this spring. It would be interesting to see the results.


The problem I see is, alot of people complaint and not many are proactive.

Pro active about what? You get pulled over and don't have documents and you get a ticket. Some cops would give you one while some wouldn't. That's why I NEVER ask why I got pulled over because they don't need a reason.

Isnt ottawa in ontario?? You have different plates there..77.

yes ottawa is ontario and the plates look the same... he ran the plates thats why he knew I was from there.

here's a thought, maybe if I was a 33-year old caucasian male driving a volvo I could avoid these incidents.. as much as "certain" people would like to think that the police are fair and just... they cant disagree with that..

you all know as much as I know... that a brown guy with a bunch of black guys in a civic will get stopped any day over an older caucasion guy driving any other car... what a socially equal society I live in... someone used the term hunch, hmm... its a fairly specifically targeted hunch... cuz me and my friends must have criminal records.. and of course we have little baggies of weed on us...also probably been arrested before... oh yea and I was probably high or otherwise impaired...I SHOULD JUST TAKE MY LUMPS AND LIVE WITH IT RIGHT? WRONG, IVE ALREADY SENT NUMEROUS EMAILS TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OF THE POLICE IN HOPES OF GETTING A RESPONS. Even if nothing comes of it, Ill feel better knowing that I actually put forth an effort and didnt sit on it. I wouldnt care if this happened once or twice as thats understandable...

Oh yea and I shouldve mentioned that Ive had dealings with this particular officer before... One night at around 11pm while me and some friends were on my driveway, 2 police cruiser out of nowhere just beamed those bright beacon lights on use blinding us.. all got out of their cars and started walking around our cars... 1 of the 3 officers was the same cop that pulled me over on friday...of course they asked us all for identification and bla bla bla... FUNNY HOW IM SUBJECT TO THIS IN MY OWN NEIGHBOURHOOD....

If those of you who dont agree with me had to deal with this day after day, you would feel the same... its not as simple as drive properly and you wont have problems... lol yeah i wish

Well there you give some background. Kinda sucks...would ya feel the same if you were speeding and got stopped and got the ticket? Or would it still be an issue of race?

Well fight the ticket,
odds are cop will not show.
Even if he do the ticket will get droped or a smaller fine

One gets stopped at night..and the officer knows prior to that stop what race the driver is??? I do not believe that one bit. I do not know of anyone who can tell who is driving in front of them, behind them or approaching them at night. Maybe if you were lucky and stopped at a street light, with the windows rolled down, you could positively identify ones race.

Now if you were to be pulled over by the same officer, ask for their badge number and name and then go speak to their sgt if you think you were so injustly stopped. Make sure to get the badge and name, otherwise you will be doing the same thing as you alledged the police are doing, which is discriminating against all police for this one officer's actions.

It's unfortunate that you have had so many problems. Of course with every profession there are the bad apples in the bunch (which you seem to have found) that do not do their job properly. Whether it be a movie theatre worker not cleaning the aisles TO the carpenter that puts in cheaper products OR the hotdog vendor at SkyDome that rip you off just because you are inside the building(targeted me b/c I'm a sports fan)
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On another note of unfairness. My parents have lived here all their life (66and61yrs), and recently retired (good for them) and they have pensions etc...however they collect old age security and CPP for a total of $2200 together (which is good) BUT in the Toronto Star about 3 mths ago landed immigrants waiting to be accepted in C'da receive $2400 each....NOW where is the fairness of paying dues all your life into the system???????? to support the incoming free loaders??
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I agree with you there are vast discrepancies, however it is everywhere in our society, it does not just relate to police. Every walk of life, level of income, location of residence all have their own issues and should be all treated equally without bias.

ok mooseboy you must have a problem reading... get your facts straight... I WAS NOT STOPPED AT NIGHT

read my first post... I was stopped at 3:45PM ... meaning broad daylight.... and I have absolutely no tint so YES he can see into my car if right next to me.... and this happended on friday which happened to be a clear, sunny warm day.. perfect hunting grounds

Oh yea and complain to is supervising officer... not a bad idea... but even that comes with a catch... not that i wouldnt do it... but I also consider the cop and his buddies making my life more miserable whenever in this area because i went to his SO... its happened to a friend of mine in scarborough

and for Civic01: No i wouldnt feel the same way if i was actually speeding and got stopped... because that would just be the officer doing his job. I Have been stopped for speeding and never once complained about it... Cuz i knew i was speeding and i just got caught...

look guy, there are many reasons why he may have pulled you over.
one of your passengers could have been looking around in the back and the cop thought he may have been looking at him... yes if you keep looking at a cop he is going to wonder why you are so interested in him... are you guilty of something?
sure maybe because you are tamil. i will not beat around the bush here.. because the vvt and ak kannon (or however you spell it) have brought their civil war to our country and have showed that thye do not mind extreme violence and have no repsect for anyone... you are more of a target for "spot checks". maybe accept it with a smile, maybe write a letter, maybe try to stop the gangs in your community... either way its going to happen.
maybe it has to do with the initiative that metro cops are undertaking to get uninsured drivers off the road. they are now hooked up to CPIC and are checking license plates on a regular basis while cruising the streets... they can check pretty much every car they can see. when yours came up as ottawa and you are young (maybe race came into play here) he decided to check to see if its a stolen car..
either way, was he rude to you in any way?
did he make any disparaging remarks?
did he treat you poorly?
maybe he was just doing his job, and the fact that he checked you out in your driveway and that he pulled you over were just a coincidence. he does come into contact with lots of people every day, and probably doesnt remember you.

you clown, the vvt and ak kannan have been dispanded for almost a decade now... the police know this and you were informed about anything you would know it has nothing to do with the civil war back in SL.

The SL civil war is Tamil Tigers(LTTE) against SL government(majority Sinhala)... the VVT and AK KANNAN are both tamil gangs... it has NOTHING to do with anything back home... it was started up here and ENDED here. There is no vvt anymore... there is no ak kannan any more... all of them are either married with kids or were deported. Im not gonna lie and say there is no organized crime left. But there is in any community. I could name italians, asyrians, blacks, whites, polish, south american etc etc.

There are now small pockets of younger tamil gangs around toronto, just like black ppl, asyrians, indians, spanish ppl and white ppl.

Get your facts straight before you go shooting your mouth off. Dont come to me with some idiotic story you've heard..

i was just talking to a tamil co-worker about this last week, and according to him... both gangs are still active. i'm sorry i took the word of someone similar to you and treated it as gospel... should i believe him or you?
you asked for opinions so i gave them. whether i am right or wrong they are opnions that the cop may have had... that is why i went out on a limb and "speculated".
if you dont want people to try to look into the mind of someone thay have never met and give you a reason for being pulled over then off and dont ask! pretty simple eh?

Muffins.

Get my facts straight, the above was from one of your own posts !! This was being stopped by the alledged officer on another occassion.

"In Toronto, there are about 200,000 Tamils. But fewer than 100 are involved in Toronto street gangs, police say. That 0.05 per cent of the population feeds the racism and misconceptions the general public has about Toronto's Tamil community, various leaders complain.

``It's street violence, it's a criminal community, not the Tamil community."

"Toronto police now downplay any connections between Toronto's street violence and the civil war in the members' homeland.

The fact of the matter is people aren't involved in drive-by shootings in Toronto to further a cause back in Sri Lanka,'' an organized crime officer said"

"In Toronto, there are about 200,000 Tamils. But fewer than 100 are involved in Toronto street gangs, police say. That 0.05 per cent of the population feeds the racism and misconceptions the general public has about Toronto's Tamil community, various leaders complain. "

These were taken from various articles... if you want sources pm me and ill email them to you.

Id personally like to see how many articles you can get regarding vvt and ak kannan crime activity since the year 2000.

if you are telling the truth(highly doubt) about your co-worker... then he is just as un-informed... you see i grew up with vvt guys... you dont need to believe me... do some research into their current activity.

If you even talk to law enforcement today, they will even admit to you that there isnt much emphasis on vvt or kannan anymore... though like i said earler there are still pockets of organized crime like there are in other ethnic communities... DONT TAKE MY WORD OR YOUR CO-WORKERS WORD AS GOSPEL... take it from research and experience

yes mooseboy get your facts straight... for the time i mentioned when it was 11pm.. i wasnt stopped or pulled over... i was standing in my friggen driveway... SO YOU SEE EVEN THEN THEY COULD SEE ME.... IF YOU ROLL BY MY DRIVE WAY and im standing with other ppl, trust me you can see us... we;re not shielded in our cars.

Have you ever been investigated for any crime or any other investigation, whether you were a suspect or a witness? Because if you were, and it could be from years ago, you WILL show up on CPIC.

Be ready for the next time . Have pen and paper in glove box. Buy a cheapie little memo recorder. Make sure the cops sees that you have it turned on . Ask him why he pulled you over and for his name , number and his superior officers name. State the date time , light , dark, raining etc. The road you are on direction travelled . What you were doing when you were pulled over , or questioned by cop. Put this info into recorder when standing right next to cop. So you can say on tape your doing it right in frt of him.If he wants to look in trunk , sure , say you want to watch cause you have personal belongings in there, stand right beside him. Tape what hes doing , like now hes looking around the spare tire area, no nothing there, . And if he misses a spot , like one of those little side compartments , point it out to him on tape and say , Arent you going to look in there. ( Just make sure your stash isnt in there). If anything is said about the recorder , just say you took some legal advice, and were told to get as much info as you could.

good advice ..77.
Im actually considering it

and to chrias: no I have never been investigated for any kind of crime. Never been detained for anything or questioned about anything of a criminal nature.

No offense but you can use more common sense.
How many times have you heard of "33-year old caucasian male driving a volvo" dealing crack or breaking into cars and houses?
Now don't start the "profiling" because insurance companies profile me.

If they can profile then everyone can profile. Can police take your license away for a couple of years for being young male driver with a minor ticket? NO! Can insurance company skyrocket your rate so you can't get insurance and drive? YES!
So stop whining.

i dont see your point... getting stopped by police sometimes generally lands you a ticket that sometimes you may deserve and sometimes dont deserve... tickets lead to higher insurance... your profiled by insurance...im profiled by both.. ppl talk a lot of when they're not experiencing it themselves.


and being profiled by insurance is different than being profiled by police.. if you cant see the difference between being profiled for a product for sale, and being considered most likely a criminal by law enforcement.. then you have issues... you have a choice whether to purchase insurance or not.. whether to drive or not... i get this annoying harrasment whether im driving or standing around.. i dont get a choice.. there is a difference... so i will complain.. and assholes who say like you only make me complain more. so youve accomplished nothing

ahh whatever... I dont really wanna argue this anymore as it doesnt further my cause or point any further...

it went from getting stopped to gang war topics..lol

Your qoute:
I think you answered your own question. You said that your were "profiled" as "a bunch of guys in a honda civic" and then started the background profiling dilemma.

here some interesting news article....

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...acodalogin=yes


So brownkid, ur not alone, these black officers get pulled over,while off-duty too.

so take it, what its worth. It's a recognized problem, so hopefully the new chief will do something about it :ohwell:

Get a first attendance meeting, bring ur papers, there is a good chance ticket will be dropped.