I'm in serious shit! 160kmh on a highway!
 

Hello, i need some advice
I was going back from Toronto Motorsports park today with a friend. Friend felt really sleepy and asked me to drive, so i did. I was going about 145-150kmh on QEW at 1am, there was barely any traffic. 20 seconds after i see i car FLYING past me (mustve been going around 200kmh), i see a cop car in my rear view mirror with the siren. I pull over, a cop comes to me saying "160kmh? Are you dumb?" I told him how i wasnt doing 160kmh, and he said that i was. So i told him that my speedo could be a little off (prob shouldnt've said that). So he says that if my speedo is off, i shouldnt be driving. He takes all my papers, comes back 5 min later with a yellow court notice and leaves. On the notice (not a ticket) it says that i was doing 160kmh in a 100 zone and that i should appear in court on sept 9th. I have full G licence and not a single ticket before this in 3 years of driving.
Can anyone tell me what to do? What should i say in court? What penalty am i looking at?
Any help appreciated.
Thanks

Did you ask to see his radar??? sounds to me like it might be a case of mistaken identity. Did you mention to the cop that you saw a car just pass you at a very high rate of speed before you were pulled over??? You better get a good lawyer! Your most likely looking at a careless or dangerous driving charge.

weather ur doing 150 or 160 ur still ed...

:smilie_au

If you were going 145 - 150 km/h you deserve everything you get. Slow the down. :retard:

Oh please... Cut the bullshit man
Tell me you never did 145 on a highway.. Its just that some people get lucky, others dont.
Im not saying i wasnt guilty, i know i was, and i am going to pay for it. Thats not the reason i started the thread. I started the thread to find out from people who have experience in this sort of thing how to fight this, and exactly what kind of penalty/fine im looking at.
Thank you

And btw, i highly doubt that the cop got me with radar... i havent seen any cop cars parked on the highway.

If I had gotten caught I wouldn't be whining about it. I'd take my licks. BTW the fastest I've ever gone on the 400 series is I'm not sure because my cars speedometer only goes to 160, and it'll do that in 4th. Not that I would know. As for not seeing the cop, they do have radar that can get you from the back. As for fighting it, try the other car story, but I can't see it washing. BTW if you're going to speed as least you were doing it at 1 am not rush hour.
Just for the record, I haven't driven over 125 on a public road since I became a father. It's a sobering experience. When someone relies on you like that, you can't let them down.

Either get a Lawyer or start doing your research.

You can start off by requesting disclosure. That way you will see how the cop clocked ya.

See if you can reach a resolution with the prosecutor for 49 over, it might work because of your clean record...


Insurance will rape you for 3 years, if the ticket stands, at least at 49 over (insurance still consider it minor) .

i've got a connection to make it dissappear and never exist but it'll cost you if you ARE REALLY SERIOUS gimme a shout and we'll go from there

Oh yea and btw if you're convicted its automatic suspension of license 6 points and a fine of about $1000 bucks

what he gave you was a summons to appear in court.. thats why there is no fine and already a date.. that is the date he will be there for other fines, and the radar can get you while he is driving behing you.. coming on oncoming. sideways any ways trust me. i have a few cop buddies ad they provved it to me. casue i wasdriving and a cop was pacing me and he got me on radar.

I am a father too and agree with you completely. Please dont bust the kid's balls, he is scared enough as it is. Help our fellow peeps ok?

Why?

So he can go out there "with a clean record" and do it again?

The best thing that could happen to a lot of fools here is a hefty fine, considerable licenses suspension, and the associated insurance hit. Only after that might they begin to understand that driving is not a video game but a privilege that can easily be taken away for being an idiot out there.

I feel bad for those that ask for assistance on here - but only get BS replies.

Speeding (to an extent) is not what is wrong with our society... its assholes (like those that you can clearly see in this post) that are...

Go to a ticket defender place - you will have to pay alot to get this resolved - but its worth it (seeing that its really your first offence)


It iss easy for any cop to pull someone over and give them a ticket. I have seen more then I can count being dropped due to insufficient evidence (things that just don't line up).

Some people do deserve what they get (don't get me wrong) but when I read about "safety blitz" and the stats of them handing out 1000 tickets in a weekend and all that... but then righ beside it you read about a murder and burglaries etc... (that if you follow up on - never get resolved) Why is that you ask... because all the cops were out looking for "street racers"...

This wastes everyones time - and cops should be working on and solving REAL crimes - not taking the easy way out and handing out tickets.

People helping people ???? (thats there slogan here in the KW region) LOL :)

gldwngr is a cop btw.

Hmmm, kinda sounds that way huh?

And BTW Goldwhatever, who the are you calling a fool? Go eat another donut.

Yep...only 2 posts and they're both in the ticket forums. :banplz:

Not all cops are assholes - only 97.256% are....

The mods should keep on top of this - and ban anyone and everyone that comes on here to talk and cause trouble.

First of all, thanks a lot to all those who are trying to help. Im really depressed right now, and every informative reply helps!

Is there a way to ask for disclosure or negotiate with the prosecutor BEFORE the trial? The reason im wondering is that if we could agree on 49 over, i'd take it. If not, then i would get a lawyer, but if i cant negotiate with him before the trial, i wouldnt know if i should get a lawyer or not. Would be pretty stupid for me to get a lawyer, drag him to court just for him to watch me agree with the prosecutor on the 49 over settlement.

Im NOT whining, im asking for help. The only part where i feel that i should whine, is where the prick cop ADDED some speed to the ticket instead of reducing it like most cops would, even though i had a PERFECTLY clean record (not even a single parking ticket), G licence, zero accidents, and i was also very polite with him.
Btw, the speedo on my car goes to 300km/h, and it handles better at higher speeds than most cars on the road handle on the parking lot.

In fact, speeding is the only traffic violation that i ever committed. And when i do speed, i never do it on small streets, parking lots, school areas, etc - anywhere where you "cant" speed.

I heard that you dont have to be very bright to become a police officer, is this true? Read what i wrote above, and since you're into calling people idiots for something that 99 % of people here do/did (including you), why dont you compare yourself to me? Im a university student, studying to be a mechanical engineer, what about you?

I agree with you 100%.
Cops sit on their asses all month long, eating free doughnuts, and then at the end of the month when their superiors start bitching at them for not doing , they go out and hand out 100's of tickets in the last few days of every month.
Speeding is the smallest of the problems in this country. Very few accidents happen because of speeding. Germany has fewer accidents on the autobans than Canada on the 400series highways.

To all those bitching at me for speeding, go to a highway and look at the cars there. Barely anyone is doing less than 120, and every minute i see people going WAY faster. I dont usually drive 140, but it was 1 AM, barely any cars on the road, i was tired and my friend wasnt feeling well (thats why i was driving his car), and i just wanted both of us to get home as soon as possible.

Thanks again to everyone

You all talk like you never speed on teh highway.. What do you guys do? 100 in the damn slow lane? Who doesnt speed on the highway, not to sound like a moron, but fuk man, its difficult not to. I look up from my speedo for a second and im already doing 140, its difficult not to speed.

Not to step on your toes, but the reason Germany has fewer accidents on the autobahns compared to our 400 series highways has everything to do with their driver training and licensing. I guarantee that half of the members on this board would fail the German license exams at least 5 times. Our licensing system is a joke. Most licensed drivers in this country have no idea what the physical limits of their car are. Go ahead and ask the next person you talk to what the speed rating is on their tires. I bet you'll get a blank stare. Because of that, speed definitely kills. The autobahns are much better maintained as well. There is also the TUV inspections. All vehicles have to be inspected at certain intervals and must pass to be able to drive out of the inspection station. All modifications must be TUV approved. So there isn't any rolling junk on the road. Germany (and most of Europe really) has it right when it comes to the way drivers and vehicles are allowed on the roads.

I'm not saying that speeding is all bad though. I speed all the time. I just realize it has to be controlled and enforced because of how flawed our system is in how drivers and vehicles are allowed on the road.

Sorry for the rant. Fight that ticket with whatever you've got. You really don't want a careless charge.

Just go to POINTS court. They should be able to help you out. Small fee but if they dont win you dont pay! and they always win!

Exactly. People are courteous, don't tailgate, and are patient. You've got a point on the tire remark. Most of the morons that drive Toyota Corollas, Honda Civics, even 300c's and the new Magnums, on the 400 series, are way beyond the speed rating of their tires. I know my minivan tires are rated to 160, and I don't even get close to that. My VW tires on the other hand are H rated, and I don't even remember what that max speed rating is. But on the highway, I put cruise control in it for a reason. Set it at 115, and RELAX!!! I'll get there when I get there. Everyone knows I have a little guy who's almost 3, and knows that I won't go over 115 period with him in the car. And the VW has an 8 point cage. Any way the point is everyone needs to slow the down on the highways. I'm not saying that I didn't used to speed, and I've even got a ticket from about 5 years ago that proves it. But, and this will be no surprise to the parents out there, no tickets since he was born. And that's how it's gonna stay.
As for gldwngr being a cop, what is anyone surprised? He's probably at work when he's on this site as part of his job. He probably spends most of his time trying to find out where you are racing.

Well, it sure looks like you the supposedly bright university student were easily caught by the supposedly not so bright cop. How do you explain that one, bright boy?

Or maybe you got caught by one of the many many cops who carry their own university degrees these days.

Last I heard most cops are required to have a Psychology degree.

Arpus Obrut,

The yellow paper you were issued at the roadside is a summons for a hearing. It is not a trial, only a hearing.

Save yourself some money and deal with the first part of this on your own. Go to the court office (address will be on the ticket) and request disclosure. This requires the roadside officer and prosecutor to provide all information that may be used against you in a trial. They'll typically have you fill out a form, and mail out the information once it's available.

Attend the hearing on your own. At the hearing you may request that your case be stood down so you can discuss the matter with the prosecutor. If you are able to reach an agreement that is acceptable to both of you, the matter is usually resolved in court that day. If you are unable to reach an agreement, you should plead not guilty and request a trial date.

With your clean driving record, the prosecutor shouldn't have a problem lowering the speed to 49 over, and if you're very lucky it may be reduced further. If he won't budge, take it to trial and go see Pointts or X-Copper to have them represent you.

If you have any questions or aren't clear on anything, PM me. I've been through this personally, and on behalf of friends - don't get too stressed about it. Remember, there are people here willing to help!

gldwngr,

Police officers, sworn to uphold the law, speed ALL the time. How many police officers in ANY jurisdiction in Ontario operate their vehicles at or under the posted speed limits as the law requires? Find me one, and I'll find you 100 others that don't.

Just two days ago I was passed by an OPP cruiser on the 401 travelling in excess of 150kph. No lights, no emergency - simply on his way back to the station.

Worse yet, a sunfire is following the cruiser at speed no more than 10 feet from his rear bumper. The driver is obviously also a police officer, as no one else claiming to be sane would drive at that speed directly behind a cruiser. Sure enough, both of them pull in to the station together and stand in the parking lot talking. Neither officer has any excuse. This is not an isolated incident.

gldwngr, when police officers begin to take highway speed limits seriously, come back and talk to us. Until then, take some advice from Thumper (small rabbit in Bambi) - "If you ain't got nothin nice to say, don't say nothin at all".

You were the Sunfire? If not, then how do you know why the cruiser was speeding, or that there was not a legitimate reason for that speeding, even if it was just to get back to the station, assuming you can verify that such was the case and not just a coincidence perhaps due to a cancelled call, etc.?

Police officers in the performance of their duties are exempt from posted speed limits. You can look that up in the HTA.

There is also no requirement to use lights and/or siren when speeding. In fact, response codes for even emergency incidents will often specify a fast but silent approach so as to not alert perps still at the scene.

Police officers speeding in their personal vehicles shouldn't be treated any differently than other drivers. Sure, some may get let off when pulled over, same as any other driver who gets let off, but others do get ticketed same as everyone else who gets ticketed.

Some police get let off in their personal vehicles? Try most of them. Dont tell me these union types dont protect their own. Dont even try to pass that one off. Ever since the unions got involved it is no longer serve and protect, it is me me me. The union writes the laws now, not the courts.

And which "union" would that be?

And another thing, as of today, 40 people have been murdered this year in the GTA. 40!!! Where is there a "Project Erase" for all the illegal weapons? Huh? Cant answer that one can you!? Dont be preaching police anything until your own back yard is in order cop. Go catch the gangs who are using our backyard as a battlefield. I was a soldier once and I can tell you, these gangs have no honour and would kill anyone for kicks. Street racers are out to have fun in private, no random killings, no "who gives a ". Street racers do not go out to intentionally kill someone. Take out the gangs, THAT IS WHAT WE PAY YOU FOR!!!!!

POLICE SERCVICES UNION. Dont play games with me, I know how it goes down. And BTW, be visible when you talk to me. Show some balls.

Really? Please provide the formal business address for this "Police Services Union". I'm sure that many cops would love to know that they are now members of "Police Services Union".

Oh, so now you have to be bright to sit on your ass on the side of the road with a doughnut in your mouth, holding a radar gun? Cop with a university degree? Please.... Cops with university degrees are not into handing out speeding tickets the last i heard... They're usually into solving crimes and catching REAL criminals. If i was a cop with a university degree, i'd get offended if somone asked me to hand out a bunch of speeding tickets after studying at the university for 4 years.
EVERYBODY speeds - doctors, lawyers, whatever.. It doesnt make them idiots for doing that.. It makes them unlucky if they get caught.

Hows this quote for you:
"Deliberately setting the speed limit too low, and then sending out cops to sneak behind motorists is highway robbery disguised as traffic safety enforcement... [in a traffic court] the robber is the plaintiff and the victim is the accused..."

http://toronto.cbc.ca/regional/servl..._union20031024

One police union just for you. Read it and go away...

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_0...news/cops.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/feb2000/tor-f14.shtml

The real story... LMFAO

I see - you think the 400 series highways should be posted at 150 or 160 kmph, other wise it's highway robbery disguised as traffic safety. Sure thing Mario.

You know, speeding fines on the 400 series highways would be robbery except for the fact that the speed limits are consistent and clearly posted, are comparable to limits generally found across North America, and fines are issued only when a driver through carelessness or deliberate decision decides to disregard those limits even beyond that 10 to 20 kmph "forgiveness" factor in which most speeding occurs in..

You went way beyond that forgiveness factor and way beyond the norm as far as "speeding" goes. Your foot got you that ticket, not some sign that YOU decided was set 50 or 60 kmph too low for your liking.

By the way, that cop wouldn't have been sitting on the side of the road. He would have been driving with the flow of traffic, probably in far right lane, just waiting for the next banzai fool to come flying up the left lane. However he did it, he managed to get behind you and clock you with moving radar. I guess you weren't bright enough to see that vehicle swing in behind you, huh?

There is no such thing as the "Police Services Union". There is a Toronto Police Services Board, but that is effectively the civilian management body to which the Toronto Police Services reports.

Ontario law does not permit police to form unions. Police can only form associations for the purposes of collective bargaining, but those associations do not have the same powers as unions do. The closest thing to a union for Toronto cops is the Toronto Police Association.

The TPS has no power to protect its members against speeding tickets or any other wrongdoing. All they can do is help line up a lawyer for the cop in cases of serious misconduct, and that's it.

Anything other "truths" you's like to share?

Its a known fact that if everyone was doing 100kmh, the highways in GTA wouldnt have the ability to deal with the traffic.
As i said earlier, i wasnt going 50 or 60 over the speed limit, i was going 40-45 over. And some "banzai fool" as you call them, passed me going WAY, WAY faster than me just 10 seconds before i saw the siren in the rear view mirror. Now why didnt the police officer stop him instead? Probably because he didnt feel like catching up to him and he thought that one excessive speeding charge is enough for this time.

gldwngr, you may need to read posts over a couple times prior to penning a response. I am not a police officer. The person driving the sunfire IS. I watched the drivers of both vehicles park at the station, and then stand around talking over coffee. If this constitutes "lawful performance of his or her duties as a police officer" in your opinion, then nothing further needs to be said, and the readers of this forum will form opinions accordingly.

The exemption in the HTA is intended to protect officers from prosecution while lawfully engaged in the performance of their duties (ie. catching up with and pulling over a speeding motorist). It is NOT intended to provide blanket exemption from speed regulation while on duty or otherwise.

The problem with the highways in the GTA is rubberneckers. And people who merge at 70 km/h and go right over to the left lane. I'm just waiting for some one to run into the front of my cube van. If everybody went a reasonable speed, I don't go over 120, usually 115, the highways would be better. Also for you people who have to take pics of the plane crash, or stare at fender benders, GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSES MORE! IF FENDERBENDERS ARE THAT EXCITING YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE. THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN THE SIMPSONS! Gldwngr, if you want to make a difference here, tell us you're going to ticket people who do 80 on the 400 series. and the people who weave in and out of lanes. and the people who tailgate.( I hate that and they're gonna lose to the bumper on my cube van). The people who do 130 + in the morning are a hazard sure, but not as much as someone who does 130 + at rush hour. Those are the people who kill others with their cars.
I think if everyone did 120 max the highways would be safer and faster than they are now. 110 min in middle lane, and 100 min in right lane.

AGREED