Ticketed for doing 156KM when I was only doing 117km
06-02-2008, 12:48 AM
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Ticketed for doing 156KM when I was only doing 117km
Hi all,
I'm not in Toronto, and I certainly don't have a fancy ride. A 1999 Pontiac transport mini-van that is showing it's age.
I was traveling south from Ottawa on the 416, going 117km per hour, on cruise. Then I saw a cop ahead in the median, facing the northbound lanes. So I thought, well he's facing the other way, and I'm not going that fast, rechecking my speed which was still a constant 117km.
I passed him.... then made my way to the next exit.... I was surprised he was following me. He pulled me over and asked me how fast I thought I was going....
I said "117" he said no, you were going 156.
I said "No way"
Then I showed him my GPS device... which was running at the time.... it had records the peak speed. and that setting stays on the device until it is cleared. It showed a speed of 136km.... I had moved the device from my other car earlier that day.... but the point was the peak speed ever recorded by that device was only 136km.... so his radar reading had to be wrong. The cop saw the 136 Km number, and even acknowledged that he saw it.
The cop told me that this is not the time to argue this. Then he took my license, and my van... and was going to leave us all wife, child and all, to fend for ourselves on an over pass on and 80km per hour road. He made it quite clear that it was not his responsibility to see to our safety once the vehicle was gone. (I managed to call a friend to pick us up via a cell phone)
What do you do in this situation.... the cop had to have been shooting his radar gun over his shoulder back up the highway to get me... (I'm requesting his notes, so I'll find out) How easy could it be in that kind of position to make a mistake? Is it possible to prove, or get this cop to admit that a mistake had to have been made?
Any advice?
I'm not in Toronto, and I certainly don't have a fancy ride. A 1999 Pontiac transport mini-van that is showing it's age.
I was traveling south from Ottawa on the 416, going 117km per hour, on cruise. Then I saw a cop ahead in the median, facing the northbound lanes. So I thought, well he's facing the other way, and I'm not going that fast, rechecking my speed which was still a constant 117km.
I passed him.... then made my way to the next exit.... I was surprised he was following me. He pulled me over and asked me how fast I thought I was going....
I said "117" he said no, you were going 156.
I said "No way"
Then I showed him my GPS device... which was running at the time.... it had records the peak speed. and that setting stays on the device until it is cleared. It showed a speed of 136km.... I had moved the device from my other car earlier that day.... but the point was the peak speed ever recorded by that device was only 136km.... so his radar reading had to be wrong. The cop saw the 136 Km number, and even acknowledged that he saw it.
The cop told me that this is not the time to argue this. Then he took my license, and my van... and was going to leave us all wife, child and all, to fend for ourselves on an over pass on and 80km per hour road. He made it quite clear that it was not his responsibility to see to our safety once the vehicle was gone. (I managed to call a friend to pick us up via a cell phone)
What do you do in this situation.... the cop had to have been shooting his radar gun over his shoulder back up the highway to get me... (I'm requesting his notes, so I'll find out) How easy could it be in that kind of position to make a mistake? Is it possible to prove, or get this cop to admit that a mistake had to have been made?
Any advice?
06-02-2008, 01:40 AM
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First off get a lawyer. A good one.
Second, you pretty much admitted to going 136 kph to the cop, so was the ticket 156 kph or 136 kph?
And you said he left you in an 80 kph zone. Was the ticket issued for an 80 or 100 kph zone?
Also do some checking because I heard that there is a lawyer that is willing to take these stunting charges for free. Just something I heard last night.
I guess he wants to challenge the law.
Second, you pretty much admitted to going 136 kph to the cop, so was the ticket 156 kph or 136 kph?
And you said he left you in an 80 kph zone. Was the ticket issued for an 80 or 100 kph zone?
Also do some checking because I heard that there is a lawyer that is willing to take these stunting charges for free. Just something I heard last night.
I guess he wants to challenge the law.
06-02-2008, 02:01 AM
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I'm not in Toronto, and I certainly don't have a fancy ride. A 1999 Pontiac transport mini-van that is showing it's age.
I was traveling south from Ottawa on the 416, going 117km per hour, on cruise. Then I saw a cop ahead in the median, facing the northbound lanes. So I thought, well he's facing the other way, and I'm not going that fast, rechecking my speed which was still a constant 117km.
I passed him.... then made my way to the next exit.... I was surprised he was following me. He pulled me over and asked me how fast I thought I was going....
I said "117" he said no, you were going 156.
I said "No way"
Then I showed him my GPS device... which was running at the time.... it had records the peak speed. and that setting stays on the device until it is cleared. It showed a speed of 136km.... I had moved the device from my other car earlier that day.... but the point was the peak speed ever recorded by that device was only 136km.... so his radar reading had to be wrong. The cop saw the 136 Km number, and even acknowledged that he saw it.
The cop told me that this is not the time to argue this. Then he took my license, and my van... and was going to leave us all wife, child and all, to fend for ourselves on an over pass on and 80km per hour road. He made it quite clear that it was not his responsibility to see to our safety once the vehicle was gone. (I managed to call a friend to pick us up via a cell phone)
What do you do in this situation.... the cop had to have been shooting his radar gun over his shoulder back up the highway to get me... (I'm requesting his notes, so I'll find out) How easy could it be in that kind of position to make a mistake? Is it possible to prove, or get this cop to admit that a mistake had to have been made?
Any advice?
I'm not in Toronto, and I certainly don't have a fancy ride. A 1999 Pontiac transport mini-van that is showing it's age.
I was traveling south from Ottawa on the 416, going 117km per hour, on cruise. Then I saw a cop ahead in the median, facing the northbound lanes. So I thought, well he's facing the other way, and I'm not going that fast, rechecking my speed which was still a constant 117km.
I passed him.... then made my way to the next exit.... I was surprised he was following me. He pulled me over and asked me how fast I thought I was going....
I said "117" he said no, you were going 156.
I said "No way"
Then I showed him my GPS device... which was running at the time.... it had records the peak speed. and that setting stays on the device until it is cleared. It showed a speed of 136km.... I had moved the device from my other car earlier that day.... but the point was the peak speed ever recorded by that device was only 136km.... so his radar reading had to be wrong. The cop saw the 136 Km number, and even acknowledged that he saw it.
The cop told me that this is not the time to argue this. Then he took my license, and my van... and was going to leave us all wife, child and all, to fend for ourselves on an over pass on and 80km per hour road. He made it quite clear that it was not his responsibility to see to our safety once the vehicle was gone. (I managed to call a friend to pick us up via a cell phone)
What do you do in this situation.... the cop had to have been shooting his radar gun over his shoulder back up the highway to get me... (I'm requesting his notes, so I'll find out) How easy could it be in that kind of position to make a mistake? Is it possible to prove, or get this cop to admit that a mistake had to have been made?
Any advice?
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06-02-2008, 08:28 AM
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Wait so he took your van because you were "racing" isn't he supposed to arrest you if you are "racing" then you would be under his safety after he arrested you and all harm done to you would be considered his fault. I'm pretty sure police officers are supposed to make sure your safe regardless so something definitely is wrong with this cop.
06-02-2008, 09:21 AM
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Rep Power: 0 It really makes me feel enraged when I see how much power the police have to use their judgement on a charge that caries such serious penalties.
In addition to retaining an attorney, I would encourage you to relay this message to Dalton McGuinty himself. He is supposed to protect us from the police.
http://www.premier.gov.on.ca/feedback/default.asp
06-02-2008, 01:48 PM
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Rep Power: 0 First off get a lawyer. A good one.
Second, you pretty much admitted to going 136 kph to the cop, so was the ticket 156 kph or 136 kph?
And you said he left you in an 80 kph zone. Was the ticket issued for an 80 or 100 kph zone?
Also do some checking because I heard that there is a lawyer that is willing to take these stunting charges for free. Just something I heard last night.
I guess he wants to challenge the law.
Second, you pretty much admitted to going 136 kph to the cop, so was the ticket 156 kph or 136 kph?
And you said he left you in an 80 kph zone. Was the ticket issued for an 80 or 100 kph zone?
Also do some checking because I heard that there is a lawyer that is willing to take these stunting charges for free. Just something I heard last night.
I guess he wants to challenge the law.
You know, it's one thing if you were speeding and you were justifiably caught. But in this case there is no way I was doing what I was accused of. This isn't about me looking for a break because I was caught, I am innocent.
you might want to consult with a traffic lawyer as to whether your gps device can be submitted as evidence. i would probably say "no", since i assume the device does not record the time of your alleged "117 km/h" and that peak 136 km/h is useless information. it's not the same as reading information from a car's blackbox since this device is a 3rd-party gps system.
Information, I don't think will be helpful. I was hoping that if the governor was set to say 150 km/hr I could prove in court that it was physically impossible for my van to achieve the speeds I am accused of. so much for that. As for other information they could possibly read from the engine electronics, the mechanic suggested they might be able to get an RPM reading.
I also asked about getting my speedometer tested for accuracy. But hell, 97 miles per hour.... you'd have to be a retard not to be able to tell you were going a lot faster then the 117km/hr you speedometer was showing.
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06-02-2008, 03:56 PM
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A 17 year old kid in the States just tried the GPS defense and lost 
The judge ruled that the GPS system could not accurately place the position of the vehicle at the time of the radar reading. But YOUR case is different! If you could compile evidence from the GPS manufacturer that could prove your claim of a max. speed ever recorded was 136kph, you just might become a national hero!
Perhaps this could be the case that reverses the impoundment laws for good !!!
The judge ruled that the GPS system could not accurately place the position of the vehicle at the time of the radar reading. But YOUR case is different! If you could compile evidence from the GPS manufacturer that could prove your claim of a max. speed ever recorded was 136kph, you just might become a national hero!
Perhaps this could be the case that reverses the impoundment laws for good !!!
06-02-2008, 04:54 PM
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Rep Power: 711 No, I told the officer that this speed of 136KM was the fastest speed ever recorded by the device since I had not reset it since I first got it. I told him, that it does not mean I was traveling at that speed today. I told him that the point was, if I was going 156km/hr then that would have been recorded on the device, and it wasn't.
You know, it's one thing if you were speeding and you were justifiably caught. But in this case there is no way I was doing what I was accused of. This isn't about me looking for a break because I was caught, I am innocent.
You know, it's one thing if you were speeding and you were justifiably caught. But in this case there is no way I was doing what I was accused of. This isn't about me looking for a break because I was caught, I am innocent.
You said he left you on an 80 zone and you showed him the GPS saying 136. That right there is 56 kph over.
Just wanted to clarify if it was a 136 in an 80 or 156 in a 100.
Its just like any charge. never admit to it. Showing a GPS speed to a cop can be like admitting to speeding.
I want to see this dumb *** law overturned and I hope you win the case.
06-04-2008, 04:38 PM
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Try XCOPPERS or OTT (Ontario Traffic Tickets) ontariotraffictickets.com
They're pretty good with dealing with tickets in markham / scarborough area.
OTT knows most of the courts around the area so they can take care of you.
Good luck
They're pretty good with dealing with tickets in markham / scarborough area.
OTT knows most of the courts around the area so they can take care of you.
Good luck
06-06-2008, 05:24 PM
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why were you going 117 km/h in an 80 zone? Let alone with a child and family in the car.
Im willing to bet you were an to him and thats why he gave you the cold end of the metal rod right up your a$$.
Im willing to bet you were an to him and thats why he gave you the cold end of the metal rod right up your a$$.
06-08-2008, 12:21 AM
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Rep Power: 0 Now part of me wishes the cop was a little bit more incompetent then he apparently was.... if he could have charged us with 165 in stead of 156, there would be no question of our innocence.
I've been considering, after this is all said and done getting an after market governor installed on both my vehicles, restricting them to 130 Km/hr. So if I ever get nailed with this farce again my *** is covered.
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06-29-2008, 03:45 AM
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I really have to say, this cop sounded like one major freak. Prob had a bad day or something, nonetheless if he was the good cop he said/talked like he was, he wouldn't have left you and your family on the road. I would do seomthing about that personally
04-01-2009, 01:02 AM
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I'm not in Toronto, and I certainly don't have a fancy ride. A 1999 Pontiac transport mini-van that is showing it's age.
I was traveling south from Ottawa on the 416, going 117km per hour, on cruise. Then I saw a cop ahead in the median, facing the northbound lanes. So I thought, well he's facing the other way, and I'm not going that fast, rechecking my speed which was still a constant 117km.
I passed him.... then made my way to the next exit.... I was surprised he was following me. He pulled me over and asked me how fast I thought I was going....
I said "117" he said no, you were going 156.
I said "No way"
Then I showed him my GPS device... which was running at the time.... it had records the peak speed. and that setting stays on the device until it is cleared. It showed a speed of 136km.... I had moved the device from my other car earlier that day.... but the point was the peak speed ever recorded by that device was only 136km.... so his radar reading had to be wrong. The cop saw the 136 Km number, and even acknowledged that he saw it.
The cop told me that this is not the time to argue this. Then he took my license, and my van... and was going to leave us all wife, child and all, to fend for ourselves on an over pass on and 80km per hour road. He made it quite clear that it was not his responsibility to see to our safety once the vehicle was gone. (I managed to call a friend to pick us up via a cell phone)
What do you do in this situation.... the cop had to have been shooting his radar gun over his shoulder back up the highway to get me... (I'm requesting his notes, so I'll find out) How easy could it be in that kind of position to make a mistake? Is it possible to prove, or get this cop to admit that a mistake had to have been made?
Any advice?
I'm not in Toronto, and I certainly don't have a fancy ride. A 1999 Pontiac transport mini-van that is showing it's age.
I was traveling south from Ottawa on the 416, going 117km per hour, on cruise. Then I saw a cop ahead in the median, facing the northbound lanes. So I thought, well he's facing the other way, and I'm not going that fast, rechecking my speed which was still a constant 117km.
I passed him.... then made my way to the next exit.... I was surprised he was following me. He pulled me over and asked me how fast I thought I was going....
I said "117" he said no, you were going 156.
I said "No way"
Then I showed him my GPS device... which was running at the time.... it had records the peak speed. and that setting stays on the device until it is cleared. It showed a speed of 136km.... I had moved the device from my other car earlier that day.... but the point was the peak speed ever recorded by that device was only 136km.... so his radar reading had to be wrong. The cop saw the 136 Km number, and even acknowledged that he saw it.
The cop told me that this is not the time to argue this. Then he took my license, and my van... and was going to leave us all wife, child and all, to fend for ourselves on an over pass on and 80km per hour road. He made it quite clear that it was not his responsibility to see to our safety once the vehicle was gone. (I managed to call a friend to pick us up via a cell phone)
What do you do in this situation.... the cop had to have been shooting his radar gun over his shoulder back up the highway to get me... (I'm requesting his notes, so I'll find out) How easy could it be in that kind of position to make a mistake? Is it possible to prove, or get this cop to admit that a mistake had to have been made?
Any advice?
As an update, it's been almost a year now, and my lawyer and I have set a trial date for July. So by the time I actually get to court to speak my peace it will be over a year.
We were waiting for a ruling on the constitutionality of section 172, that was handed down last earlier this year. The judge who made the ruling sort of side stepped the issue, so according to my lawyer the ruling was "not helpful."
So now we are heading to trial. Between my wife's testimony, my testimony, my gps readings and such, my lawyer says we have a very good case, but there are never any guarantees. I was kinda hoping a constitutional ruling would make the whole thing go away.
Keeping my fingers crossed.