valvecover airfilter
04-04-2007, 11:13 AM
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hahaha oh they will pop your hood and then they will stick their fingers between your tires and the wheel well
04-04-2007, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Want to bet?
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04-04-2007, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JDm_92
A cop will only make me pop my hood, if he has reason to suspect there is illegel modifications done. So with my car looking pretty stock (minus the fart can)...what reason does he have to make me pop my hood? and isnt there a law that a cop cant search anything that is locked in your car (i.e. glovebox, trunk, hood) without suspision or a warrant? if a cop just randomly tells me to pop my hood for him, ill say straight up.."what makes you suspect I have illegal mods under my hood?" and if he cant answer that, then i dont pop it
There are also several other different laws that let a cop search your car without a warrant, including locked areas. Power to do so comes from different sections in the Canadian Criminal Code, as well as Ontario's own Environmental Protection Act, Highway Traffic Act, Liquor License Act, Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, Fuel Tax Act, Tobacco Tax Act, and probably a few more than I can't think of at the moment.
The cop doesn't have to answer any questions you may ask of him. The only person the cop has to answer to is the judge if charges are laid or your vehicle seized.
You can refuse to cooperate, but people who insist on standing on their rights without actually knowing the limits of those rights often end up in handcuffs. And then the search will continue, with or without your cooperation.
Thing is, if you cooperate, then the cop can go about his business without having to smash your windows or crowbar your truck or hood to gain access.
04-04-2007, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Thing is, if you cooperate, then the cop can go about his business without having to smash your windows or crowbar your truck or hood to gain access.
I know my rights... and if there is no reason for a cop to search my ..I dont have to let him. I understand what you're saying, but a cop can't just pull over any random car and search their crap! A cop cant just pull you ovr and say " i think you have drugs in your car...im searchin you, punk". Thats what warrants are for...and if warrants are so easy to bypass, then why are they there in the first place?
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04-04-2007, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JDm_92
That cop must be pretty determined to find my little airfilter if hes gonna go as far as to smash my windows....pretty sure id win that one. I know my rights... and if there is no reason for a cop to search my ..I dont have to let him...cmon gldwngr I thought you knew this ?
It's pretty obvious that you don't know the extent or limits of your rights.
04-04-2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Um, "you" don't get to decide if the cop has reason or not to search or otherwise inspect your car.
It's pretty obvious that you don't know the extent or limits of your rights.
It's pretty obvious that you don't know the extent or limits of your rights.
so ur telling me that any cop can pull over some random old lady and search the out of her car for no reason? i dont think so
04-04-2007, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JDm_92
Um, I know that it's "my" vehicle, and I also know that cops can not search locked areas... my buddy has had every single vehicle he has ever owned searched (2 civics, and a truck) and each time the cops have "asked" him if they can search the trunk and glovebox. he refused each time, and they simply didnt search them...
so ur telling me that any cop can pull over some random old lady and search the out of her car for no reason? i dont think so
so ur telling me that any cop can pull over some random old lady and search the out of her car for no reason? i dont think so
Whether it's your car or not makes no difference. Several laws give the cop the specific right to search or otherwise inspect a vehicle without warrant, whether you agree or not, and there is no differentiation made between "locked" and unlocked parts of your car. The validity of such search and inspection laws is consistently upheld in the courts.
By the way, a cop needs no probable cause at all to conduct a roadside safety inspection on your car, and you are obligated by law to assist, including opening your hood. You could refuse, but be prepared for things to start going very badly for you.
Examination of vehicle
(2) Every police officer and every officer appointed for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act may require the driver of any motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle to stop, move the vehicle to a safe location as directed by the police officer or officer and submit the vehicle, together with its equipment and any vehicle drawn by it, to the examinations and tests that the police officer or officer may consider expedient. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
(2) Every police officer and every officer appointed for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act may require the driver of any motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle to stop, move the vehicle to a safe location as directed by the police officer or officer and submit the vehicle, together with its equipment and any vehicle drawn by it, to the examinations and tests that the police officer or officer may consider expedient. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
Requirement to assist
(8) The driver of a vehicle submitted for examinations and tests as required under subsection (2), (3) or (4) and any other person in charge of the vehicle who is present shall, if directed by a police officer or officer appointed for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act, assist with the examinations and tests of the vehicle and of its equipment. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
Offence
(9) Every person is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $1,000 who,
.... (a) refuses or fails to comply with a requirement made under subsection (2), (3), (4), (5), (8) or (12); or
.... (b) contravenes an order or prohibition made under subsection (12). 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
(8) The driver of a vehicle submitted for examinations and tests as required under subsection (2), (3) or (4) and any other person in charge of the vehicle who is present shall, if directed by a police officer or officer appointed for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act, assist with the examinations and tests of the vehicle and of its equipment. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
Offence
(9) Every person is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $1,000 who,
.... (a) refuses or fails to comply with a requirement made under subsection (2), (3), (4), (5), (8) or (12); or
.... (b) contravenes an order or prohibition made under subsection (12). 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
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04-04-2007, 07:41 PM
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well put
04-04-2007, 08:18 PM
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thats stupid.....ill put it in the real words of cops
"were pigs and can do whatever the hell we want, whether you like it or not...now go get me a donut"
"were pigs and can do whatever the hell we want, whether you like it or not...now go get me a donut"
04-04-2007, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JDm_92
thats stupid.....ill put it in the real words of cops
"were pigs and can do whatever the hell we want, whether you like it or not...now go get me a donut"
"were pigs and can do whatever the hell we want, whether you like it or not...now go get me a donut"
04-04-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
No, your phrasing is wrong. It should be "We're cops and we will exercise our statutory powers given by law as necessary to perform our legal duties, whether you like it or not..."
What i said from the beginning was: "like a cops ever gonna make you pop your hood for no reason"
Im sure they are allowed to if they want to.. but if ur a cop who goes around harrassing people about a ****in valvecover airfilter, then you chose the wrong proffession....there are way more serious crimes going on, and these pigs have nothing better to do than pick on kids and their civics.... nuff said
04-04-2007, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JDm_92
What i said from the beginning was: "like a cops ever gonna make you pop your hood for no reason"
Im sure they are allowed to if they want to.. but if ur a cop who goes around harrassing people about a ****in valvecover airfilter, then you chose the wrong proffession....there are way more serious crimes going on, and these pigs have nothing better to do than pick on kids and their civics.... nuff said
Im sure they are allowed to if they want to.. but if ur a cop who goes around harrassing people about a ****in valvecover airfilter, then you chose the wrong proffession....there are way more serious crimes going on, and these pigs have nothing better to do than pick on kids and their civics.... nuff said
04-04-2007, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
If you or anyone else knows something is illegal, then goes ahead and does it anyways, the only person to blame when you get caught is yourself.
04-04-2007, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JDm_92
I never said that it wouldnt be my fault, I just think that cops should focus on more important issues.
04-04-2007, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
They do. But that doesn't mean that they can let "lesser" issues slide until all of the "more important issues" are finally eradicated off the face of earth.