alphaq69

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the owner of the rsx? is his name nick.. he knows whats good. i've seen that car at the track.. and yes he does put over 300whp. but also running that in a 3000lb car.
the car is pushing 235whp. i've seen the dynosheet. i've seen the motor.. so before you call bs... look at the facts.. 11.6 in a 2100 car with 235whp. is very possible and enough k series hondas out there that are running 11s with a stock motor.. meaning internally stock. minus all the bolt ons.. nicks rsx was running 13s. and my stock b20vtec ran a 13.5 w/ 173whp and he has over 300... care to explain that??? lol

just because the ad says it only puts down 197hp. not 205. doesnt mean it cant gain hp from minor bolt ons. i've seen the motor. the motor is completely stock and enough people can vouch for it. stop being a hater. a stock basemap from kpro is the same map thats in an rsxs ecu. now if the car was tuned.. then how do you explain the gains from 220+whp to 235whp. with tuning the car managed to pull out more hp.

now the car is stock.. and as stock as it can be!!! believe me... stock clutch and everything.. dont be a hater.

jdm_187

if your buddy tunes k motor and you can't believe i making that power, your buddy can't be that good at tuning, guys are making from 206-218hp, usually with the same setup. i'm the true honda guy, i only drive hondas, i've had probably 10 +, my mom has a honda, my gf has a honda, i've worked at honda for years, i went to the honda course at centennial and finished with the best grade in my class, i only build honda motor, i don't care if you don't believe me, you must be right i must be only making 235hp flywheel, dont you know how much power that is, 200whp, ask your buddy how many 11s civics me tuned and how much power they got, the guy i race in the video made the same power on the dyno, but he's got crower cams.

if i scan the dyno sheet will u be a believer?

WS6ix

well i talked to my buddy jordan last night about this what gear did you do your pull in?? 3rd or 4th?

no his name is jordan but nick is my best friend we have known eachother since we were 8, and his best time was a 13.6 to much wheel hop, till he blew his tranny last time out. and what i as saying bs to is that he said that his motor had no work done to it and no tune he had more hp then a factory vehical that rates flywheel hp to the wheels.

so if you did a 3rd gear pull then the numbers are possible for a stock motor and do to the dyno config its very possible but in 4th it should be less.

i dont see how im being a hater, all im saying is with what he said in his deiscription at the beggining was false and each post he said after had different info. given. he said stock motor but im going to guess he has intake and exhaust put on...also considered bolt ons, and that he was not tuned but then he has kpro, even with the base map for the rsx give you better timming curve.

if you did your run in 3rd you can be 100% right do to the gear ratio if you have the rsx tranny which im sure you have, but in 4th where most dyno at the number are hard to beleave.
you must have gotten one of the rare k20's that have great compression.

AMKK

I love bench racing!!!

alphaq69

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3rd or 4th gear? it's not about the gear.. its about the gear closest to 1:1 ratio to get the most accurate hp. now if were going by your logic.. then 235whp is low because the he did his pulls in 4th gear. if you think that the dyno is wrong or its configured wrong (because you're a dyno machine expert) .. then ask everyone that has ever gotten a dyno done at tag racecraft if they're dynos are wrong. so you're saying that when i dynoed my old setup and it pulled 173whp and 132tq. and i ran a 13.5 in the car.. so the dyno was lying??? or configured wrong? and your boy with the 300+whp rsx only runnin 13.6s. his dyno was lying too?? it was really pushing less???

"STOCK" motor meant INTERNALLY! maybe we shouldve been more specific.. but if nobody paid attention to the videos.. then you're all idiots.. because the video clearly states what the car has.. it's an 05 K20Z w/ v.stack, rcrew header, 3' exhaust, rbc manifold.

jdm_187

yeah, i did the pull in 4th gear, dyno number are just for bragging, the only numbers i care about for real is time slips.

judgez24

im not doubting your tin cans times. im asking how the *** you made 223 whp with no tune and just bolt ons. its a 4 banger, i owned one that made alot more power than yours and i know what it takes to make a 4 banger make power. im saying that for you to use stock maps and run basic bolt ons and make 223 whp is hard for me to believe. the only thing i can think of is you swapped trannies or final drives or dynoed in third gear. how much whp does a stock rsx motor put down? given the drivetrain loss average id say probably between 170 - 180 whp right? so what im getting at is that for you to take a stock motor and with simple bolt ons crank out that much more power i have a hard time believing. which is why im asking what you had done to it. and then i pointed out one guy said 223 whp tuned and another said untuned, which is why i said the storys dont match up.

and for the record, no ones hating on your massive 235 whp. i was making over 300 to the ground in a 4 banger and a stock mustang will dyno about 220 whp and thats in a 20 year old fuken car with pushrods.



you dont read to well do you.

im not hating on the car. infact i think i made comments saying i was imporessed witht he car either here or on your forum. i was questioning how he was able to take a motor that you say makes 197 hp and pump out 223 whp. lets assume a stock rsx makes 180 whp. just for ***** and giggles, i dont know what they dyno but the average drivetrain loss is about 15%. so lets say 180 whp. he put on some bolt ons, didnt touch the internals and made 223. your looking at 43 hp to the wheels? thats a rough number but you get what im saying? i dont see many v8's picking up 40 whp from simple bolt ons like that and they have twice the motor.

what tranny is in that civic? stock rsx tranny?


again, im not doubting the car. anyone can tin can a light car put in a big motor and make it go fast. muscle car guys have been doing it for decades. im simply amazing by the fact that a motor is making that much whp with your basic simple bolt ons. and how is it you only gained 12 hp after tuning the car? id figure a good tune with more agressive timing maps would produce more than 12 hp

judgez24

did some looking around.

05 rsx type s. 200 whp 140 wtq.
MODs:
injen cold air
strup race header
HKS hi power
RBC

and zero tuneing.

finaly got dynoed-I/H/E/RBC---NO TUNE - Club RSX Message Board

jdm_187

stock tranny, its funny, you'd said you dont believe the power i told you, now i should make more than 12 hp on a good tune, which would bring me over 235whp, but you said if i have a stock base map thats tuned but now its not, and what did u have on your 4 banger for it to have 300, because if its not turbo than i dont believe, stock stangs get smashed by crx's with b16, i know i worked at a stang shop before, dont try to tell me about stang either i work on my uncle's 6 sec twin turbo mustang.

what do they make to the flywheel? just want to see if you know

judgez24

97 cavalier. built motor, and i mean everything was changed in it. $8400 worth of parts and work, short geared tranny, spec stage 4 clutch, lightened flywheel, msd, meth injection, t3/t4 turbo, 2.5 inch charge pipes, full 3 inch mandrel exhaust. car with the stock motor with the turbo and no other add ons made 219 whp at 6.5 psi. 260 at 10. and just over 300 at 10 with the built motor. had her to 13 psi and the car was a rocket but the high volume oil pump failed one night in 5th gear and burnt pistons and cylinders to so i parted the car out and bought the stang. that right there is the thing i regret doing the most. i should have rebuilt the bottom end real mild and left it alone with the built top end and enjoyed the car. motor was capable of taking 25+ psi. it was atill a 2.4 liter and would redline at 7400 rpm, a little over a thousand rpm more than stock. which was plenty as the car made assloads of power before redline and made power right to the limiter.

stock stangs are slow. i pumped more stock stangs in my cavalier than i can count. i fed them on the motor too. my cavalier went 14.4 all motor. im pretty sure i can dig up the video or someone on here has to have it as my hard drive crashed since then and ive lost almost everything i had.

again, i had a fast 4 banger, i know what it takes to make power from them and i chose the power adder way. car weighed 2700 pounds with driver. fully loaded with sunroof and could still seat 5 people.

i question the numbers because to me they seem un real. im reading the rsx forums and theres a guy with a hybrid setup and a tune and a load of stuff and hes making 239 whp. and if you read the psot i put up, the guy is making 200 whp and people are impressed withthe numbers. which is why im wondering how you managed to squeek out 223 with no internal work at all. don take this as me bashing you but rather me being interested in how you managed to do it with just your basic bolt ons. because from what im seeing, you have essentially the same or very similar setup as the guy in the link and youve got 23 whp on him

judgez24

what car are you refering to? the rsx or a stang? rsx i thought were 200 hp but someone mentioned 197 and i believe the new ones are at 205. mustangs ive heard being rated at 220 hp but ive seen guys dyno 215 whp stock all the way to 225 whp with no mods. like the srt4's. they made more whp than the motor was rated for

2TONE_93GT

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Too many factors and the stats can never be proved unless you see it first hand. Making 40 HP to the wheels with basic bolt ons is impressive. Factor in the drivetrain loss, and what are we talking, 50-60 hp?

Impressive.

jdm_187, who is your uncle with the 6 second mustang?

alphaq69

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you know... at the end of the day noone can explain why this stock motor and a few other stock motors pull this amount of hp. we all know every motor is different and will react differently to mods.

here's a thread from k20a.org, where a stock k20a(different from a k20z) w/ bolt ons make 211whp and simply upgrade to a 3' exhaust and make 228whp. 2.5" exhaust vs. 3" exhaust on stock internal K20A2 (Dyno) - K20A.org .:. The K Series Source . Honda / Acura K20a k24a Engine Forum

this is the dyno i got from the site


the difference between a k20a and k20z motors are the k20z have bigger cams, 4.7fd and rbc manifold. so i guess thats why norms motor makes that hp to the wheels, and the fact that the motor is fresh to death and healthy. we just laugh that we got lucky on a motor that wasnt beaten to death already...

but with 235whp and 165tq. 11.67@113mph. definitely an amazing car..
YouTube - CSCS FINAL: stormin' K20Z vs reis' K20Z. 1/4 Mile Race

jdm_187

k series are a lot better engine than cavalier engine, not trying to make fun, if you go on k20a.org, theres lots of guys same set up 210+whp, and i dont know why u keep saying 223whp, i made 235whp

judgez24

im refering to your un tuned numbers. and i realise the cavalier motors arent great but liek anything they have the ability to push out good numbers but it takes money, and it makes a way cooler sleeper that way