Challenger set to hit the streets in 2007-08'!!
 

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http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html



Looks like the decade of rice may come to an end... yeah!

Decades of rice may come to an end? Don't be a dummy. It's more like "decades of domestic automakers being pussies and producing low performance cars" coming to an end. It's not the Japanese automakers fault that they had the balls to produce "rice". And by rice, do you mean the Supra Turbo (capable of making 1000hp on a stock block), the FD RX7, the 300ZX, 3000GT, etc?

It's a shame that all domestic fan boys care about is 1/4 mile times, or else you'd be disappointed when this new Challenger still can't top the skidpad, braking, slalom, etc performance figures of those 10+ year old "rice" cars.

Is it just me or has there been a substantial increase in ignorant domestic owners over the last few days...

well, the big three are making some nice cars lately (among a bunch of really shitty ones), so i guess domestic owners may finally have something to be proud about.

that challanger does look pretty sick.

japan had been putting out low powered cars for the last 30 years whats your point? your average honda rolls out a 19sec 1/4 mile.. a v6 grand am GT pulls high 15s... You saying a SBC cant produce 1000hp on a stock block? think again .. RX7????? don't make me laugh the dead end design of rotary..oh wow so much exitement to rave about.. Theres performace out there and the japanese market isint the place to start.

Wow... a Pontiac Grand Am GT can pull a high 15 stock. That's pathetic, considering thats supposed to be a performance car. Isn't Pontiac GM's performace oriented brand? As with most domestics of that era, it's 1/4 mile time is usually its best aspect of its performance... we all know how amazing a Grand Am must handle and brake... haha. Imagine how well the car would perform on a *gasp* race track with turns! But then again, who cares about other areas of performance when you're an ignorant domestic driver, right?

Do you have anything to back up your claim of a Honda's average 1/4 mile time being 19 seconds, or is that just something you made up because you have no other way of proving your point?

Funny how those low powered Japanese cars still pull better times then most high powered GM vehicles. Take the turbo Supra for example... ran low 13's with only ~300hp. Did you ever think that the reason Japanese cars don't make that much power is because the engineers focused on the car as a whole and spent some time developing the chassis, not just what's under the hood... as what seems to be the trend with American auto makers?

And please, I'd LOVE to hear what your genius self has to say about the rotary engine. Let me guess... apex seals, overheating, bad gas milage, right?

not bad at all :drive:

hahahahah pontiac was never gm's performace car of that era .....what were the chevelles novas camaros those were the GM performance of that era sure pontiac had the gto but that was never a throughbred


lets see a street honda like this
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....D0275DC7D8&p=0

^ What the hell are you talking about man? Was the Grand Am GT around when the Chevelle, Nova, and Camaro was in production? Did you even read what I wrote? Are you high?

I'm not saying that domestics are slow. Did I say anywhere that they were slow? You're just further proving my point that the only thing that the majority of domestic owners seem to care about is 1/4 mile times... not a cars performance as a whole, which is what Japanese sports cars manufacturers care about.

Lets see a street domestic 2.6L do this:
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....8FE5&kw=11&p=0

Oh here we go again import owners and there dyno sheets..

"whats a 800hp supra and a 1200hp supra have in common? they both run 12s.."


The grand am is not a performace car. You should probibly compare the tubro supra to 4th gen f-body. Which is more reliable ,requires less maintence and runs 13s bone stock N/A. Probibly gets better gas mileage too.

A quick example of a domestic tuner car is the Grand national/GNX.. has the darth vader look ,seats 5 without any complaints. Gets over 20mpg can run 11s with less then 2k in mods. Also packing the 3.8l one of the best built engines on the planet.


GM was also quite innovative in the past. Making some of the first all aluminum engines as well as others to boot

Quad 4 H.O 2.2 180hp (with a decent aftermarket headgasket this engine is killer)

3.4 DOHC factory detuned from 275hp to 210. A great motor with a few flaws such as leaking o ring seal which reqire the heads to be pulled to change.

N* need i say more?


Bash domestics all you want but what has japan mass produced in the last 15 years that was so much better? Not includeing interior quality...

Grand ams are a 3.5 altima will destroy it. has anyone else noticed how all imports are producing much more torque now and are actually ahead of domestics in some catagories. I cant wait to see imports put diesels in there trucks.

I like DCX products, but that is ugly

really??


1993 Nissan Altima SE 8.2 16.4
1993 Nissan Altima GXE (auto) 9.6 17.2
1994 Nissan Altima GXE 9.4 16.9
1998 Nissan Altima 8.2 16.4

1990 Pontiac Grand Am Quad 4 7.3 15.8
1992 Pontiac Grand Am GT 7.5 15.9
1994 Pontiac Grand Am SE 11.5 18.2
1996 Pontiac Grand Am SE 8.6 16.5
1999 Pontiac Grand Am GT 7.7 15.9


stop talking smack and go park daddies nissan back in the garage.

He said the 3.5L Altima you illiterate retard. And he's right. Taken from the Car and Driver website:

"Our five-speed SE test car hit 60 mph in 6.3 seconds, a full second quicker than the automatic, and gobbled up the quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds at 96 mph." They then go on to say: "More recently (November 1998), an SLP Pontiac Grand Prix GTX Ram Air (260 horsepower, 295 pound-feet from a supercharged 3.8-liter pushrod V-6) hit those same marks in 6.7 seconds and 15.1 seconds at 93 mph"

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=1859

Stupid slow jap cars, eh?

Okay it's the big bad NastyZed again. Are you insecure about your car? Why is it that everytime there is someone bashing imports or arguing if imports are better or domestics, I see your name. Just a typical ignorant thing I would expect from you. It's the internet, why must you argue with anyone and justify to them that what you drive isn't a piece of . Ohhhh I get it must make you penis feel a bit larger. :retard:

I dont drive a grand am LOL... used it as an example.. Oh here we gow ith car and driver reports..

Funny how car craft ( a major un biased magazine) ticked off a 14.9 et with a 1997 grand prix gtp and a 6.6 sec 0-60..B6T you want to talk about slow jap cars lets start off with what you drive in stock condition LMFAO.

GT-101 does my penis size make you jelous?

Well first of all, "LMAO" my car isn't considered japanese... so you're hallucinating again. If you're talking about the car my engine came from, a 323 GT, then you'd be wrong again. I'd like to see ANY domestic sedan from the same class even come close to its performance. It was out running 5.0 Mustangs back in the day, and thats in a straight line! And first of all, this isn't about my car being fast, it's about you being an idiot. And if you're talking about my RX7, it ran high 15's in 1983 when it came out. What was a V8 Camaro running back then? 15's I bet.

Yeah, I bet Car and Driver are biased. Why would they, an American company, want to support a Japanese brand and not a brand from their own country? I guess blaming a magazine for being biased is just the domestic enthusiat's way of making themselves feel better when they realize how inferior their favorite American can brand really is.

"am i high?!"
 

i sure am :retard: lol

Your supra/3000GT/FD RX7/240sx/DSM etc etc..ARE ALL GONE. Sent home with their tails between their legs by the cheaper/faster and more reliable corvette. IMPORT PERFORMANCE IS DEAD. thank jesus!!!

Well said.. Yeah a 1983 camaro does run 15s but who cares. It's still a more relaible long lasting car then the RX7. There are still tons of 80s camaros on the road..80s rx7 yeah soo great gotta love whats under the hood :haha: Funny how when most RWD import lovers have a datsun and such they pull out the boat anchors and drop in american muscle. B6T your car is a heap and your a complete moron. Take your rotary dreams and smokem. Your just going to have to deal with the fact that imports are looseing ground in nborth america.

If you were to say car and driver wasent biased it would be safe to say we would all be driving hondas.

LOL, i think its about time to move this thread to smacktalking
... play nice :nono:

Pos

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Hahahaha, funny thread.

Domestics are get over it.

And, all heil the triangles.

Wow do you actually have any proof to back up why rotaries are so bad? I'm apparently the moron, yet I've provided you with factual information, all you've done is say that they are with nothing to back it up. I know why though... you're just too dumb. That's why. You obviously don't understand how they work. Your stupid ass just sees something on the internet about apex seals blowing and then you think a rotary is . Your a ing parrot, you hear something then you repeat it without even thinking about what you're saying. So please, try and redeem yourself and save face... because I'm pretty much telling you to prove yourself right now because if you don't everyone will see how much of an idiot you are.

Imports are losing ground in North America eh? That's funny, because last I heard GM is closing down Plant 2 in Oshawa, and Toyota is building a new plant in Woodstock? Companies usually close down plants and put thousands out of work when they're doing well. Yup, your right again.

No reply yet eh? Hows this for a "dead technology":

International Engine of the Year 2003

"Mazda's RENESIS Rotary Engine Honoured for A Second Year"

2004 Winners
Best New Engine: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive
Best Fuel Economy: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive
Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 65 (S65, CL65)
Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA (Insight)
1-litre to 1.4-litre: Honda 1.3-litre IMA (Civic)
1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive
1.8-litre to 2-litre: Honda 2-litre (S2000)
2-litre to 2.5-litre: BMW 2.5-litre (325i, X3, 525i Z4)
2.5-litre to 3-litre: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)
3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
Above 4-litre: Volkswagen 5-litre V10 TDi (Touareg, Phaeton)
International Engine of the Year 2004: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive

2003 Winners
Best New Engine: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)
Best Fuel Economy: Honda 1.3-litre IMA (Civic)
Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 55 (CL55, E55, S55, SL55)
Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA (Insight)
1-litre to 1.4-litre: Honda 1.3-litre IMA (Civic)
1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: MINI Supercharged 1.6-litre (Cooper S)
1.8-litre to 2-litre: Honda 2-litre (S2000)
2-litre to 2.5-litre: BMW 2.5-litre (325i, 525i, Z4)
2.5-litre to 3-litre: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)
3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
Above 4-litre: Volkswagen 5-litre V10 TDi (Touareg, Phaeton)
International Engine of the Year 2003: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)


That's odd... I see that stupid rotary Mazda engine up there twice, but I don't see anything from GM. Weird eh?

Not a single north american engine :nono:

I guess that OHV isn't impressing anybody, still.

Just to add to the controversy both American cars and Japanese cars are , the only thing half decent are european, though they are expesnive they are worth it, European car manufactures are the only ones who actually consider power and low gas milage to be important, perfect handeling and great power to weight ratios are all evident in almost any european car.

^ I can't argue with that! Europeans, specifically Germans, make the best cars in my opinion.

If any of you guys ever have the chance to drive any Turbo quattro Audi from any year you will instanly fall in love with it, and it will be probably be the only car you will ever buy after that.

btw: im not really raggin on Japanese cars its just that the good japanese cars are not avaliable to us and the ones that are, they are .

Good jap cars include: fairlady, Silvia, skyline or any old school Datsun the original Z.

American cars were once in their hayday awsome street machines but one has to accept the fact that the big 3 now are . big ass HEMI engines just aren't cool anymore unless you think spending 1 weeks pay check on gas is cool.

I was so close to buying a 1990 Audi Coupe Quattro a few months ago... but the guy sold it when I went to get it. It pissed me off... the sound that 5 cylinder makes puts a VR6 to shame.

Man 5 cylinder Audis are sick, they have limitless power potential and the quattro AWD system, I can bet that the rear end on the coupe quattro is stronger than any 9 inch ford. The axel shafts are the size of tree trunks.

That's true... the Quattro apparently is one of the strongest AWD systems out there.

This thread isin halarious.

GM vs JAPENESE oh my god.

#1 No one will ever win.GM ppl are way way WAY to ignorant to ever admit some other car is better then theirs.

#2 Saying the quad 4 is a good motor with AFTERMARKET headgasket,My point is rite their,Were talking about FACTORY not aftermarket ,That engine is poo from factory so shut up about it.

#3 Japenese cars will always ALWAYS own any domestic car.My point for example Honda civic vs ZO6 corvette.Put $10g's into a hatchback and you're raping,Yes i said RAPING a corvette ZO6 and you're still getting way better gas milege,Care to prove me wrong feel free but you won't,Power to weight owns all.

#4 Grand am GT,Who the wants to own a grand am,I don't so end of story.

#5 I bet every person sticking up for domestics in this thread owns a J-body.I pity you.

#6 Saying JAP VS DOMESTIC and only talking about GM geez shut up,JAP VS GM their you go.Ford mustang very capable of greatness for less cost then a corvette,so please GM ppl SHUT UP about you're crappy cars.

#7 Let's get ready to rumble cause i'm sure the GM guys are about to get all pissy.

#8 ALL my points are very valid and unarguable,BUT GM ppl will say otherwise watch and see.

Dude, i'm a honda owner and i still think you're wrong to generalize like that.
saying that japanese cars will always own ANY domestic is stupid, i'm not even gonna bother with examples cause youre probably gonna come up with something stupid to say about everything i tell you.

and BTW a civic that will rape a vette (obviously possible) will get very shitty gas mileage, by far worse than the new Z06 (which are BTW very light).
just my 2 cents.

Show me a honda civic that can run 0-100km/h in 3.9sec, 1/4 mile in 11.7@125mph, pull off a 1.04g on a skid pad and have a top speed of 198mph on street tires, in full street trim/legal for $10 000. :dunno:

And throw in 50/50 weight distribution.

That's Strokeraces specialty. :retard:

Hahaha Shut the up with this import smack talking.. The big three own half if not more of the shares in almost every japanese company. Hows mitsu doing? LMFAO last I checked chrysler dropped all funding. Your mazda wouldent even be afloat if it wasent for ford so your cars credibilty is reduced to ZERO. Ford owns over 60% of mazda. The retro craze is in people want retro looking cars and japanese cant relate because they have none. The 300 series has stolen back alote of camry and accord buyers already and was recently named car of the year. Even the malibu although i don't like the syleing has gained respect. Quality is up and better then ever. With technology like displacement on demand will allow us to buy big V8s such as the HEMI with the ease of decent gas mileage. Get over it and B6T for god sakes let the rotary dream die it will never go into mass production through the automotive indistry again. The mazda rotarys get the gas milage of a LS1 with half the displacment and reliablility. American build quality its 50% better then euro so take your head out of your ass. I looked at used audis they are over praised for there interior. They need to lay off the spray on rubber materials that coat the hi use areas. GM builds great reliable engines. To say the least with the j-bodys you get what you pay for 13k loaded for a brand new car with a good power train is fine by me. I personally find the late model grand am GT a pretty sexy car. Alote more stylish then any jap car in its class.

http://www.neowin.net/forum/uploads/...2602_thumb.jpg

A closer inspection reveals nice door and trunk gaps that at least match the quality of a honda in its class. The interior is still cheap but that was then and this is now. The G6 its replacement which has a base price higher then most if not all imports in it class.

The GM 60* V6 series are great engines and have great tq. Detroit is pulling a major turnaround and doing a damn good job. Most of GMs problems are from Unions and overpaying retirees and all other sorts of jive. Financial problems that toyota and other import companys dont have when they build plants here.

Still can't prove your point about the rotary I see. It's never going to go back into mass production in the auto industry again??? What the hell do you call the RX8? Do you even know what an RX8 is? Wow, you're not ignorant at all.

You're stupid, shut up.

Uh oh.

#1 - yes, gm is the greatest. why would i take a heap lambo or g35 when i can have my lumina...tool. so far youre sounding pretty ignorant.

#2 - alright, im not gonna argue because it will prove mt conclusion of #1.

#3 - at the end of the day, its still a civic, lmao. hmmm, 11 sec civic, or z06...thats a tough one. the ignorance is getting stronger.

#4 - good for you, your opinion doesnt matter to as much people as you think.

#5 - i pity your parents for having an ingnorant child such as yourself. i bet you get everything you ask for eh. i dont care what car you have, i pity you.

#6 - i know gm's suck, with their hummers and vettes, lemme go out and buy an s2000 with less tq then a probe, now thats a quality car. the ignorance is gettin alot stronger.

#7 - pissy? no. just open minded. you know the saying, "cmon, all the cool kids are doing it." thats pretty much describes honda and how the civic came into the spotlight. theres no point because its a bunch of dudes that quote fast and the furious sayings. "bro ur car sucks, i bet that cai almost blew the welds on ur header, i mean exaust, i mean welds on intake...err...nos, bro u suck."

#8 - wow, you talk about all gm cars, then say watch them defend their cars, ill make you a bet they will. thats like saying watch me take this walking stick away from the blind old lady, ill bet she falls down the stairs.

and with that being said, your ignorance is off the charts...grow up.

guess no import drivers have had experiences with a lemon before eh? or they just dont want to admit it. i think the latter is more true.