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Old 02-11-2006, 09:15 AM
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TEHRAN, Iran - Iran’s president on Saturday rejected U.S. and European pressure to freeze the country’s nuclear program and hinted that Iran may withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

The remarks came in a speech to tens of thousands of Iranians massed in Tehran’s Azadi Square to mark the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution that brought a Muslim theocracy to power.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also said that the true Holocaust was happening now in the Palestinian territories and Iraq. The Iranian leader has caused worldwide outrage by questioning the Jewish genocide and arguing Israel should be “wiped off the map.”

Ahmadinejad appeared in part to be responding to a call on Thursday by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan for Iran to restore a freeze on its nuclear activities and pursue talks to shift its uranium enrichment program to Russia.

“The nuclear policy of the Islamic Republic so far has been peaceful. Until now, we have worked inside the agency (International Atomic Energy Agency) and the NPT (Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty) regulations.

“If we see you want to violate the right of the Iranian people by using those regulations (against us), you should know that the Iranian people will revise its policies,” he said.

'The West is hiding its ugly face'
He did not specify what changes Tehran envisioned, but it was believed to be a threat to withdraw from the NPT and the IAEA.

“The West is hiding its ugly face behind international bodies, but these bodies have no reputation among nations. You have destroyed the reputation of the NPT,” the Iranian president said.

“If you want to find the real Holocaust, you will find it in Palestine where Zionists kill Palestinians everyday. You will find it in Iraq,” he said.

He also charged that “Zionists” were behind the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that have set off global demonstrations by angry Muslims and attacks on Western embassies.

“Now in the West insulting the prophet is allowed, but questioning the Holocaust is considered a crime,” he said. “We ask, why do you insult the prophet? The response is that it is a matter of freedom, while in fact they (who insult the founder of Islam) are hostages of the Zionists. And the people of the U.S. and Europe should pay a heavy price for becoming hostages to Zionists,” he declared.

Annan urges negotiations
While Iran’s nuclear program has been formally reported to the U.N. Security Council, Annan urged Iran to continue negotiations with Britain, France and Germany, which are trying to resolve the nuclear dispute.

“And I hope Iran will continue to freeze its activities, the way they are now, to allow talks to go forward, to allow them to pursue the Russian offer, and to allow negotiations with the European three and the Russians to come back to the table,” Annan said.

The three European nations have led months of futile talks on behalf of the 25-nation European Union amid suspicions that Iran’s civilian nuclear program is aimed at producing nuclear weapons — not electricity as Tehran insists.

Tensions escalated last month after Iran removed U.N. seals and began nuclear research, including small-scale uranium enrichment.

On Feb. 11, the International Atomic Energy Agency’s board voted to send Iran’s nuclear file to the Security Council, saying it lacked confidence in Tehran’s nuclear intentions and accusing Iran of violating the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

Iran responded by ending voluntary cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency and announcing it would start uranium enrichment and bar surprise inspections of its facilities.

But the Islamic republic left the door open for further negotiations over its nuclear program, saying it was willing to discuss Moscow’s proposal to shift large-scale enrichment operations to Russian territory in an effort to allay suspicions.

High-level talks on the proposal begin in Moscow on Feb. 16, but Russia says it still awaits word from Tehran. The proposal is backed by the United States and the European Union as a way to provide additional oversight of Iran’s use of atomic fuel.

After years of opposition, Russia and China backed sending the Iran nuclear file to the Security Council. But in return, Moscow and Beijing demanded that the United States, France and Britain agree to let the Iran issue rest until March when the IAEA board meets to review the agency’s investigation of Iran’s nuclear program and compliance with board demands that it renounce uranium enrichment.

Annan said the IAEA report was expected at the end of the month.
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An Iranian friend of mine , had an interesting point .

"Why can the US have nuclear weapons , but we can't?"
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Originally Posted by Zapa
An Iranian friend of mine , had an interesting point .

"Why can the US have nuclear weapons , but we can't?"
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I think Canada should declare the USA an evil doer, and send in investigators to find those hidden nukes. Then after a year we will shamefully say our intelligence was wrong, meanwhile Bush was storing his nukes in Mexico all along. So the USA declares war on us, but jokes on them, their nukes won't launch because they had mexicans taking care of them.
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Hey, who has the most weapons of mass destruction in the world?
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Hey, who has the most weapons of mass destruction in the world?

Per capita? Israel.

Pure numbers, the US.

Israel and the US is the reason that Iran wants Nukes. Israel, because its nukes combined with a relatively unstable government and a growing ultra-right-wing ultra-religious element within both government and military do pose a credible threat to Iran. The US, because of its Bush League of Justice pronouncements and threats against what it calls the Axis of Evil, Iraq, North Korea, and Iran.

Iraq had no nukes, so the US was able to invade and take over the country with relative impunity. But North Korea, which does have nukes, and which does have missile capability to reach the US mainland, and whose clearly mentally-deranged leader is arguably an even greater wild card and threat to nuclear war than Saddam, still has control over its borders while the US stamps its feet helplessly outside.

Iran has learned well from that lesson in nuclear deterrence. They have every incentive to pursue a nuclear deterrent so long as its enemies have the same.
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The reason the middle east shouldent have weapons is because they are blood thirsty cockroaches. They cant be trusted with anything. They will give there lives to kill innocent people. Just look at how set they are at destroying isreal.. Look what they do when a cartoon about them is released into the world. Plain and simple they are terrorists rapists,murderers and theives.
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The reason the middle east shouldent have weapons is because they are blood thirsty cockroaches. They cant be trusted with anything. They will give there lives to kill innocent people. Just look at how set they are at destroying isreal.. .

The most heavily armed nation in the middle east is Israel, but they lose dammed few lives as they kill off Palestinians, almost 3400 in the last 5 years. Of those, well less than a quarter could be considered armed combatants engaging in military operations against Israel's military or civilians. Another quarter or so were killed while engaged in unarmed protest activities against the Israeli military occupation. The rest were killed, well, just because. Almost 700, or about 1 of every 5 deaths, were minors. Many of those minors were small children, a huge proportion of which are killed by head shots, some even while sitting in their school classrooms.

On top of the Palestinian civilians being killed by Israeli military forces, there are also those being killed, and/or harrassed and chased off their property by ideologically-extreme right-wing Israeli settlers. Among those settlers are a group who bombed and maimed several Palestinian residents in Jerusalem-area Arab villages, a group who tried to place and set off a bomb outside a Palestinian girl's school just as the girls were arriving for school, plus, and this is my favourite, one Israeli settler/doctor/military officer who machine-gunned 29 unarmed Palestinian men as they were bowed down in prayer in a mosque.

The reason I say that is my favourite is because after he ran out of ammo, the remaining survivors overpowered him and beat him to death. Now that person, that murderer, has a lovely grave that is the scene of tour buses and thousands of visitors ayear who come to pray and praise this murderer for his "holy" act, and who exhort others to follow in his footsteps. Look up Baruch Goldstein on google and see the various "interpretations" on what this nutbar did, and better yet, to see how the right-wing nutbars still living explain and praise it.

There is a lot of barbarity happening in the middle east, and all sides there have their hands deep into it. People need to realize that that barbarity is not the exclusive domain of the Arab population there, and that "our" side is also the instigator or the forgiver of much that we would call terrorism or atrocity if we were accusing the "other side" of doing it.

B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories: http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp

New video: Lethal Ambiguity http://www.btselem.org/English/Video...Engagement.asp
A new video by B'Tselem features Israeli combat soldiers talking about the IDF's rules of engagement for using lethal force. The video shows that the orders given to soldiers are vague, and generate a culture of excessive force and little accountability for the many civilian deaths that result.

Settler Violence: http://www.btselem.org/English/Settl...ence/Index.asp

Testimonies - Minors: http://www.btselem.org/english/Testi...x=6&image.y=12
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gldwngr carefull what you say next thing u know they'll lock you up next to the guys that denied the holocaust !
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Any country that denies the right to exist of another country shouldnt have nukes, PERIOD. Do you remember what he said on oct 26 ? "Israel must be wiped off the map".

If your president says that, you shouldnt have nukes.

lets pull some quotes from the koran shall we ?


"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
So that means you cannot live at peace ? why do you HAVE to fight ?


But heres the one that takes the cake:
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
i say... **** IRAN.
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You can find the equivalent passages in the Old Testament. Fundamental Christian interpretation of the Bible makes similar demands, as does Torah scripture.

"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man ... , keep alive for yourselves." [Moses, relaying God's orders to his people, Numbers 31:17-18]

"When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with them or show them any mercy."
[Deut. 7:1 (KJV)]

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There is no shortage of those religious extremists who would like to destroy unbelievers or blasphemers or those of other religions. Fortunately most people are more moderate than the extremists or bigots of either side would like us to believe.
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some religions are stupid ... not as stupid as the people worshiping them of course ... ( and i don't direct that only at islam , God no )
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tis true, but **** religion for a second, the country's unstable, no nukes for them.
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