gldwngr

Nope. It's just that the rest of your points are really quite pointless.

NOTORIOUS VR

I never said it would make a difference... but hey, it's worth the 20 sec to add u'r name to the list... because really, you never know. It might just help.

130pro5

have you even witnessed a real street race, or are you just basing your points from the stupid little kids do on the streets?

Nismofob

^^^ hes a undercover thats what he is..

2TONE_93GT

iTrader: (3)

They will never open a track in Toronto. I mean, they’re trying to close Cayuga down and its in no mans land.

Insurance, zoning and noise by laws are enough to keep this from happening in Toronto. A new set of condos would generate more money in tax revenue than any drag strip.
Never mind if there’s someone with enough money to take advantage of this business opportunity, there will likely be little to no return on investment. So after evaluating the market, an investor will see its not worth it.

With just under 400 people signing the petition, i would imagine you will need a substantial amount of around 10% of the GTA population to make anyone important listen to you.

I agree, it doesn’t hurt to try, but unless this is a full hearted attempt to make a difference i wouldn’t bother. We've all seen these petitions before

On a side note, good to see youre back here VR.

Nismofob

If we can make rehabilitation centers for drug users and Drinking and Driving offenders!

We can make a track for racers... WHY? because THEY make it seem like its as big as a deal compare to murder and Drinking and Driving.. REHABILITATE US than bitches..

snoopy

He only wishes he was undercover. He is probably a rent a cop looking for a cheap ego boost for the "common good".

If he was a regular cop he would actually have the ***** to defend his statements when challenged.

Superbird281

In a free society, a citizen shouldn't have to justify his actions to the government, the burden should be on government to justify any restrictions on freedom to the citizen.

Owning a car and driving it may not be a right, but freedom of mobility is. People use cars a lot and like them. It's a large part of our lifestyle. Government has noticed this and taken advantage of it by taxing and regulating driving to death. Government suffocates us with so many restrictions on what we can do with our cars that it becomes increasingly difficult to do anything or drive anywhere without running afoul of some trivial regulation. Hell, when I came home the first time from the hospital the car I was in didn't have any airbags, daytime running lights, shoulder belts or disc brakes, and I still somehow managed to live to a ripe old age.

We want to have fun with our cars, and government hates anything fun. So many of the rules we have to deal with have nothing to do with safety, more like social engineering by authorities. I certainly don't expect street racing to be legal, but the media drama is a little ridiculous. We like to go to Timmy's, yak about cars, go to a deserted spot out in the middle of nowhere, do a few runs, and go away. No harm done, just a few skid marks showing that we were ever there. 99% of the population don't even know we exist.

These high profile accidents are examples of seriously incompetent driving, but are NOT part of this quasi-organized subculture we call street racing. I suggest the government look at driver training and testing if it wants to improve peoples' driving.

The police and media and politicians are hopelessly ignorant of automobile technology and to a lesser degree, racing subculture. Police hassling people in parking lots over what constitutes a cold-air intake is a complete waste of time for everyone involved and does nothing to improve anyone's health and safety.

2TONE_93GT

iTrader: (3)

Despite many claims, i don’t believe street racing is a recognized form of addiction.
Again, i also don’t think street racing claims nearly as many lives as drugs or alcohol. I also don’t believe street racing affects others around you nearly as much as drugs or alcohol.

Don’t hold your breath for a track locally.

Snoopy, he is pretty good at backing his statements, regardless of his choice of profession.

Nismofob

Im not.. i know the guv won't make a track for racers.. why? because its not a big enough problem to make one... SEE!

and all over the news.. they say street racing is an addiction.. its just a easy target to nail for harper too look big, since he's a newbie in the guv

Turbo Jer

and a homo.

Tony the Tiger

Thanks for sharing Superbird281, it was a good read... It brings back to the old days when even a lot of our parents used to be part of the good times; hanging out at a local coffee shop and see a few runs down a desserted stretch of road during the weekends. There is no harm in that. Sure when the city grows, people get more packed and things will get out of hand. But man, telling people to stop racing completely is very naive; it's no different than telling kids to stop going to clubs and parties because drugs and gangs cause deaths and shooting as well. Might as well shut down every pub and night club so every kid can just stay home and watch DVD's?

The government's focus is always changing... The media can't stay with one theme and constantly jumps from one thing to another. Back then, breather filters and extensive modifications was violating the emissions standards and harms the environmnent. That's understandable, so they enforce laws to make sure our cars are within regulations. That's cool and all, but eventually you could actually turbocharge a Honda with a fully CARB legal turbo kit as well as making big numbers on all CARB legal parts. So now they slap us with discrimination and basically harass any car that is suspected to be modified. Funny how nobody was able to directly link modified cars to the type of streetracing that causes deaths, because quite frankly, even non-modified cars were racing and caused a few deaths already (stock intrepid and camaro accident several years ago). And recently the Porsche and Mercedes accident did not involve any modified cars either! So sometimes I wonder how the hell the cops are planning on busting these racers because they are everywhere, at anytime, and with any type of car. The closest thing they could do is desperately show that "something" is being done, and we car enthusiasts takes the low blow everytime something goes on the news. I am just feeling sorry for those who lost their loved ones involving these accidents, but if the government continues to be ignorant, more innocent people would end up dying. Simply putting a few 17 yr-olds to jail and crushing theirs car because of "streetracing" wouldn't do a thing for the rest of the public's safety. How would busting a few highschool punks at a desserted industrial road during a streetracing hangout spot be saving lives? Those kids actually racing at those desserted hotspots are in fact saving lifes, and I am not joking either when comparing to cars just cruising around on the streets looking for a race.

Basically the gov't is lost, and the media is doing whatever they can to get attention. But the whole racing subculture is so dedicated to one certain group of people that simply no one in power at the current moment has the slightest clue on what is going on. We'll probably have to wait a few years before someone that understands the racing subculture has some say in the political system and get something going. Preaching to these current leaders is pointless, and they simply have no clue on how to remedy the problem.

Turbo Jer

'Nuff said.

nuch

Tony the Tiger :thumbsup:

I couldn't agree with you more, I used to attend those "peaceful" meets back in my DSM days. I was astonished how well organized and respected the meets and races were. There was enough peer pressure there to stop individuals from attracting unnecessary attention by doing a burnout on the main street. Everything was kept off of the public urban streets and done as safely as possible on long stretches of industrial roads.

Wish those days would have been supported or at the very least somewhat ignored and perhaps we would have been in the situation we were in, in 1999 with races being done in an organized fashion, and not this chaos that is costing lives.

pur evil

Open up the airstrip at the abandoned downsview air force base during the summer! its local, and i can honestly say if it were open only on fri, sat and sun during the summer street racing will decrease dramatically. **** you stephen harper and stop trying to put street racers in jail. the rapists, murderers and sexual predators run free and are given free education in jail. honestly wtf is wrong with this conservative government trying to pin up petty crimes on ppl? if someone dies then yeah its vehicular manslaughter nothing more; catch real criminals and give them real punishments take away the cable, the takeout food, and the ****ing free ride education for these criminals and open up downsview afb it wont cost you anything! **** YOU STEPHEN HARPER