Parents urged to put brakes on street racing
05-15-2007, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
You're measuring apples and oranges - your 35 is just GTA related and the stat is out of date now, your other number is Canada-wide.
Just last year alone
2006 GTA impaired driving deaths - 70
2006 GTA street racing deaths - 10 or 12 KNOWN to be street racing related, and more suspected as being possibly related to street racing
Just last year alone
2006 GTA impaired driving deaths - 70
2006 GTA street racing deaths - 10 or 12 KNOWN to be street racing related, and more suspected as being possibly related to street racing
Most of those so called street racing fatalities involved single vehicle accidents.
Takes 2 to make a race. Only 1 car = speeding.
05-15-2007, 07:32 PM
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lol what if your parent hsa a few spare sets of wheels, should you call the cops on them?
this is getting crazy and the problem is the young kids driving like dicks and causing accidents, racing where they shouldnt. it really is. if they wanna stop this make it harder to get a license and make sure someone born in this country is running it, too many stories about people helping out others from their native country who cant drive
this is getting crazy and the problem is the young kids driving like dicks and causing accidents, racing where they shouldnt. it really is. if they wanna stop this make it harder to get a license and make sure someone born in this country is running it, too many stories about people helping out others from their native country who cant drive
05-15-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by judgez24
lol what if your parent hsa a few spare sets of wheels, should you call the cops on them?
this is getting crazy and the problem is the young kids driving like dicks and causing accidents, racing where they shouldnt. it really is. if they wanna stop this make it harder to get a license and make sure someone born in this country is running it, too many stories about people helping out others from their native country who cant drive
this is getting crazy and the problem is the young kids driving like dicks and causing accidents, racing where they shouldnt. it really is. if they wanna stop this make it harder to get a license and make sure someone born in this country is running it, too many stories about people helping out others from their native country who cant drive
, even ppl born in this country can't drive
05-15-2007, 07:51 PM
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true, that was refering to a story i heard a few years ago of an ethnic group running an mto and taking bribes for licenses from people from their country. makes me sick that people who cant drive just buy a license. but that works for evreyone and i htink that the licenseing process should be strickter. the graduated thing is th ebest thing that could have been done. it should be tougher though
05-15-2007, 07:53 PM
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even if gldwngers stats are correct thats still 7x more drunk driving deaths than street racing deaths, so why go after us. Makes no sense too me, why dont 10 cops just sit outside of bars and wait for people to get into their car and drive away, I use to work at a fast food restaurant in my younger days whcih was right beside a bar and half of the people that came in after 2am were drunk as hell. drunk driving seems like more of a problem to me. stupid
yeah and no offense but it takes more than 1 car to street race, I see ads in the paper all the time about accidents saying that speed was a factor but yet theres only 1 car that was in an accident, thats just some idiot who doesnt know how to drive, like I admit I have done my fair share of speeding and im sure all of us have, but what are half the drunk drivers doing to when they run someone down or hit another car, speeding.
thats funny about the 3 sets of tires and enough gauges to go to the moon haah
yeah and no offense but it takes more than 1 car to street race, I see ads in the paper all the time about accidents saying that speed was a factor but yet theres only 1 car that was in an accident, thats just some idiot who doesnt know how to drive, like I admit I have done my fair share of speeding and im sure all of us have, but what are half the drunk drivers doing to when they run someone down or hit another car, speeding.
thats funny about the 3 sets of tires and enough gauges to go to the moon haah
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05-15-2007, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by R/T kota
Your stats are also wrong.
Most of those so called street racing fatalities involved single vehicle accidents.
Takes 2 to make a race. Only 1 car = speeding.
Most of those so called street racing fatalities involved single vehicle accidents.
Takes 2 to make a race. Only 1 car = speeding.
Also relevant, in ALL but two of the collisions, the other racers involved didn't stick around. They left the scene, usually without even bothering to see if the other racer was hurt or not, and without calling fire or ambulance to tend to any injured.
How is this relevant? Had the street race crash NOT involved hitting a third party or the other racer, and without survivors or witnesses to describe the circumstances of the crash, it would probably have been put down as an unexplained single car crash and NOT a treetrace crash. How many unexplained single car crashes are actually the outcome of street racing gone bad, but not counted in street race crash stats?
Originally Posted by 94Precidia
even if gldwngers stats are correct thats still 7x more drunk driving deaths than street racing deaths, so why go after us. Makes no sense too me, why dont 10 cops just sit outside of bars and wait for people to get into their car and drive away,
Another thing, annual deaths due to impaired driving are on a steady downward trend, having been slashed by more than half in that last 20 years. The problem is gradually being dealt with. Street racing related deaths and injuries are on a steady climb upwards, which makes it even more important to put the brakes on that stupidity now.
Originally Posted by 94Precidia
yeah and no offense but it takes more than 1 car to street race, I see ads in the paper all the time about accidents saying that speed was a factor but yet theres only 1 car that was in an accident, thats just some idiot who doesnt know how to drive, like I admit I have done my fair share of speeding and im sure all of us have, but what are half the drunk drivers doing to when they run someone down or hit another car, speeding.
In most of the multiple car collisions KNOWN to be street racing related last year, the other racer involved almost always left the crash scene without stopping. However, even when only one car is found at a crash site, that doesn't mean that a second car wasn't also involved. Is it still a single car accident? Sure, but it could also a street racing crash as well.
I would bet money that a number of unexplained single car crashes each year are actually the result of street races gone bad. I don't know what that number would be, and unlike crashe sinvolving alcohol, where a breath test from a live survivor or blood test from a corpse can determine the presence of alcohol even without confession or witnesses, there is often no way to determine if a crash was street racing related unless there is a confession or independent witnesses.
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05-15-2007, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
You keep saying that, but your bullshit is the same. All of the crashes I've counted involved damage to TWO or more vehicles, one vehicle being one of the street racers, and the other being one or more innocent third parties also out on the road. There may e more crashes where street racing is merely suspected, but I have niot counted those. There may also be crashes not counted because I'm not aware of them.
Also relevant, in ALL but two of the collisions, the other racers involved didn't stick around. They left the scene, usually without even bothering to see if the other racer was hurt or not, and without calling fire or ambulance to tend to any injured.
How is this relevant? Had the street race crash NOT involved hitting a third party or the other racer, and without survivors or witnesses to describe the circumstances of the crash, it would probably have been put down as an unexplained single car crash and NOT a treetrace crash. How many unexplained single car crashes are actually the outcome of street racing gone bad, but not counted in street race crash stats?
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Also relevant, in ALL but two of the collisions, the other racers involved didn't stick around. They left the scene, usually without even bothering to see if the other racer was hurt or not, and without calling fire or ambulance to tend to any injured.
How is this relevant? Had the street race crash NOT involved hitting a third party or the other racer, and without survivors or witnesses to describe the circumstances of the crash, it would probably have been put down as an unexplained single car crash and NOT a treetrace crash. How many unexplained single car crashes are actually the outcome of street racing gone bad, but not counted in street race crash stats?
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Your the one who seems to be falling for your own and the medias bull .
When I said one vehicle, I was meaning one vehicle cause the accident, not 2 street racing vehicles. Ya there are usually 2 cars involved but only one was alleged street racing. The other is the innocent victim.
Most, not all of these cases are one vehicle speeding or reckless driving not street racing.
The cops and media see a honda with a fart can on the back and automatically start screaming street racing.
The media loves to run with these stories.
Apparently so do you.
Putting some one in jail for rape or murder does not raise revenue,
Giving fines to people with so called illegal modifications does.
05-15-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by R/T kota
When I said one vehicle, I was meaning one vehicle cause the accident, not 2 street racing vehicles. Ya there are usually 2 cars involved but only one was alleged street racing. The other is the innocent victim.
Most, not all of these cases are one vehicle speeding or reckless driving not street racing.
Most, not all of these cases are one vehicle speeding or reckless driving not street racing.
I could list the incidents in detail, but it won't do any good. You're in complete denial that there is any sort of significant problem, and in that sense you're not much different from a typical impaired driver. The only thing that might even cause you to think twice about it would be someone in your own close family being killed or injured in a street race gone bad, and even then, maybe not.
05-15-2007, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
In the ones I've counted, all involved two or more vehicles racing, with one of the vehicles being raced running into an innocent along the way. None of them involved just a lone speeding vehicle. All were definite street racing incidents. Some have already gone to court where drivers involved entered guilty pleas and admitted street racing at the time of crash.
I could list the incidents in detail, but it won't do any good. You're in complete denial that there is any sort of significant problem, and in that sense you're not much different from a typical impaired driver. The only thing that might even cause you to think twice about it would be someone in your own close family being killed or injured in a street race gone bad, and even then, maybe not.
I could list the incidents in detail, but it won't do any good. You're in complete denial that there is any sort of significant problem, and in that sense you're not much different from a typical impaired driver. The only thing that might even cause you to think twice about it would be someone in your own close family being killed or injured in a street race gone bad, and even then, maybe not.
You dont. I dont street race unless its way out in the middle of know where and even then thats very f*cking rare.
I take it to the track but with all the fines and bull we have to go through at the track, the street is looking like a better place.
I`ve been around this thing of ours for over 20 years and not once have I ever seen any one get hurt let alone killed as a result of street racing.
That is well over 1000 1/4 mile races on the street that I have witnessed. (probably closer to 5000 but I really dont keep track of it)
Seen a couple of cars hit the ditch but thats about it.
Quote your stats.
I want to see copies of these reports and not just the media bull .
I want to see the proof that these 38 deaths were actually street racing.
Until then, quit trying to change the world.
05-15-2007, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by R/T kota
Dude dont even f*cking pretend to know me.
You dont. I dont street race unless its way out in the middle of know where and even then thats very f*cking rare.
I take it to the track but with all the fines and bull we have to go through at the track, the street is looking like a better place.
I`ve been around this thing of ours for over 20 years and not once have I ever seen any one get hurt let alone killed as a result of street racing.
That is well over 1000 1/4 mile races on the street that I have witnessed. (probably closer to 5000 but I really dont keep track of it)
Seen a couple of cars hit the ditch but thats about it.
Quote your stats.
I want to see copies of these reports and not just the media bull .
I want to see the proof that these 38 deaths were actually street racing.
Until then, quit trying to change the world.
You dont. I dont street race unless its way out in the middle of know where and even then thats very f*cking rare.
I take it to the track but with all the fines and bull we have to go through at the track, the street is looking like a better place.
I`ve been around this thing of ours for over 20 years and not once have I ever seen any one get hurt let alone killed as a result of street racing.
That is well over 1000 1/4 mile races on the street that I have witnessed. (probably closer to 5000 but I really dont keep track of it)
Seen a couple of cars hit the ditch but thats about it.
Quote your stats.
I want to see copies of these reports and not just the media bull .
I want to see the proof that these 38 deaths were actually street racing.
Until then, quit trying to change the world.
Just because you haven't seen it, that means it doesn't happen.
Then a "report" won't change your mind either, nor would the court transcripts of trials where people have been convicted for street races ending in death.
Carry on in your denial. I wouldn't want anything like the hard facts of life interfering in your fantasy.
05-15-2007, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
The only thing that might even cause you to think twice about it would be someone in your own close family being killed or injured in a street race gone bad, and even then, maybe not.
A family member of mine died because of some piece on a cellphone - anything intellegent to add to that?
Anyway, I said it before but some of you are slow learners. Over half of the these "street racing" incidents were really drunk driving with a speed contest involved. And they were not formal street races but rather careless driving in painfully stock cars. (ie two losers in parents luxury cars kill cabbie sound familiar? Cadillac causes other "racer" to crash sound familiar, stock vettes on 427 sound familiar?)
No one here is trying to argue street racing should be legal, but retarded interpretarion by the media and lawmakers producing fear mongering articles like this is laughable.
05-15-2007, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
Over half of the these "street racing" incidents were really drunk driving with a speed contest involved.
Over half? You're making that up. Alcohol is rarely involved in street race crashes. You would know that if you had access to the occurence reports.
05-15-2007, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Just because you haven't seen it, that means it doesn't happen.
Then a "report" won't change your mind either, nor would the court transcripts of trials where people have been convicted for street races ending in death.
Carry on in your denial. I wouldn't want anything like the hard facts of life interfering in your fantasy.
Then a "report" won't change your mind either, nor would the court transcripts of trials where people have been convicted for street races ending in death.
Carry on in your denial. I wouldn't want anything like the hard facts of life interfering in your fantasy.
Ya thats what I thought
Cant back up your stats.
Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
No one here is trying to argue street racing should be legal, but retarded interpretarion by the media and lawmakers producing fear mongering articles like this is laughable.
Well said
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05-15-2007, 11:33 PM
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this is the problem. evreything is classified as street racing, you ewre going 5 over the limit and a dog ran out infront of your car, becaues your car is modified and you climbed a curb as a reactionand killed a person you were street racing. your screwing aroudn ont he street alonedrifting around a corner or doing a burnout, loose control of your car and kill someoene you were street racing.
heres what im getting at. real street racing seldom injures people. the real racers wont run on public streets, they wont run on roads that are crowded by by standers. they go out with only cars that will race, no watchers, make their passes and go on with their nite. the kids who think theyre super cool who are 18 just baught a swapped civic and race some guy from a light are the kids that should be targeted. theyre the ones who cause the accidents, not the guys who go out of their way to race in the country with no one around. so why bother them? let them run out there where no one but them can get hurt. go after the kids racing from light to light or running in the poipulated industrial areas.
also on your comment about there not being enough cpos to sit at al lthe bars and such. its funny you mention that, put one cruiser per popular bar per nite out there and youll still have plenty left over. have you ever been at a raid at the races where 20 or 30 cruisers show up alng with the helicopter? theres lots of man power there it could be used to stop something a little more dangerous than people racing out of the way of everyone. jst my thoughts on this
heres what im getting at. real street racing seldom injures people. the real racers wont run on public streets, they wont run on roads that are crowded by by standers. they go out with only cars that will race, no watchers, make their passes and go on with their nite. the kids who think theyre super cool who are 18 just baught a swapped civic and race some guy from a light are the kids that should be targeted. theyre the ones who cause the accidents, not the guys who go out of their way to race in the country with no one around. so why bother them? let them run out there where no one but them can get hurt. go after the kids racing from light to light or running in the poipulated industrial areas.
also on your comment about there not being enough cpos to sit at al lthe bars and such. its funny you mention that, put one cruiser per popular bar per nite out there and youll still have plenty left over. have you ever been at a raid at the races where 20 or 30 cruisers show up alng with the helicopter? theres lots of man power there it could be used to stop something a little more dangerous than people racing out of the way of everyone. jst my thoughts on this
05-15-2007, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
You're measuring apples and oranges - your 35 is just GTA related and the stat is out of date now, your other number is Canada-wide.
Just last year alone
2006 GTA impaired driving deaths - 70
2006 GTA street racing deaths - 10 or 12 KNOWN to be street racing related, and more suspected as being possibly related to street racing
Just last year alone
2006 GTA impaired driving deaths - 70
2006 GTA street racing deaths - 10 or 12 KNOWN to be street racing related, and more suspected as being possibly related to street racing
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Public Urged to Call 911 to repoort Impared Driving
Originally Posted by MADD
MAY 10, 2007 - 10:05 ET
Public Urged to Call 911 to Report Impaired Driving
MADD Canada today launched Campaign 911 with police support, including OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino
Attention: News Editor
TORONTO, ONTARIO--(CCNMatthews - May 10, 2007) - Anytime you see an impaired driver, Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD Canada) wants you to call 911 and report the incident to the police. In this way, all Canadians can play a role in keeping our roads safe and in reducing impaired driving crashes.
MADD Canada today launched Campaign 911 -- a Canada-wide campaign designed to encourage and empower the Canadian public to call 911 to report suspected impaired drivers. The organization's latest public awareness campaign was unveiled with the help of OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino, the Canadian Police Association and Canadian Association of Police Boards, and police representatives from across the GTA.
"We can all make a difference in saving lives and preventing impaired driving crashes if we call 911 and report to police when we see a suspected impaired driver," says Karen Dunham, MADD Canada's National President. "We have many Canadians contact MADD and ask, 'How can I help?' Well, calling 911 is one tangible and effective way Canadians can help the police in apprehending an impaired driver."
"By removing more impaired drivers from the road, we will see reductions in impaired driving crashes, deaths and injuries."
Mrs. Dunham comments, "We know the concept of calling 911 is not new to some communities across the country. We thank all those groups and the police who for years have carried this idea forward. But MADD Canada is looking to raise the public's awareness to new heights and enhance the existing 911 efforts in making it national in scope. We hope more Canadians will know what to do the next time they see an impaired driver on the road. In this vein, we encourage more organizations and the media to pick up the 911 Campaign and, together, we can all work at ridding our roadways of the threat of an impaired driving incident."
As part of its campaign MADD Canada today released billboards and bus shelter posters, a radio public service announcement, and a community-based grassroots action plan for its more than 100 local MADD organizations across Canada.
Instructive 911 background pieces were also made public today. MADD Canada worked with police to publish "10 Possible Signs of an Impaired Driver." It also is directing Canadians to do the following when observing a potential impaired driver:
1. Call 911
2. State your location
3. Vehicle Description
a) Licence plate number of vehicle
b) Colour of vehicle
c) Make and Model of vehicle
4. Direction of Travel for the vehicle
5. Description of Driver
MADD Canada's National President mentions that the organization worked closely with the police on the safety issues surrounding this campaign. Mrs. Dunham says, "These materials were developed as a result of consultations with police. We do not want motorists to put themselves in danger, to use a cell phone improperly, or to break any laws in assisting with the apprehension of an impaired driver."
MADD Canada has issued a series of safety reminders to accompany its 911 Campaign. Some of the reminders include: Please observe all safety rules; Use extreme caution when using a cellular phone to call 911; Police officers are trained specialists, let them do their job; and, Never try to apprehend the impaired driver yourself.
For more information on the 911 Campaign, visit the MADD Canada website: www.madd.ca
Background Note: 10 POSSIBLE SIGNS OF AN IMPAIRED DRIVER
Dangerous Driving Behaviour could be a sign of an Impaired Driver.
1. Driving unreasonably fast, slow or at an inconsistent speed
2. Drifting in and out of lanes
3. Tailgating and changing lanes frequently
4. Making exceptionally wide turns
5. Changing lanes or passing without sufficient clearance
6. Overshooting or stopping well before stop signs or stop lights
7. Disregarding signals and lights
8. Approaching signals or leaving intersections too quickly or slowly
9. Driving without headlights, failing to lower high beams or leaving turn
signals on
10.Driving with windows open in cold or inclement weather
ALWAYS MAINTAIN A SAFE DISTANCE FROM ANY DRIVER YOU SUSPECT MIGHT BE IMPAIRED. ALWAYS WEAR YOUR SEATBELT.
Public Urged to Call 911 to Report Impaired Driving
MADD Canada today launched Campaign 911 with police support, including OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino
Attention: News Editor
TORONTO, ONTARIO--(CCNMatthews - May 10, 2007) - Anytime you see an impaired driver, Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD Canada) wants you to call 911 and report the incident to the police. In this way, all Canadians can play a role in keeping our roads safe and in reducing impaired driving crashes.
MADD Canada today launched Campaign 911 -- a Canada-wide campaign designed to encourage and empower the Canadian public to call 911 to report suspected impaired drivers. The organization's latest public awareness campaign was unveiled with the help of OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino, the Canadian Police Association and Canadian Association of Police Boards, and police representatives from across the GTA.
"We can all make a difference in saving lives and preventing impaired driving crashes if we call 911 and report to police when we see a suspected impaired driver," says Karen Dunham, MADD Canada's National President. "We have many Canadians contact MADD and ask, 'How can I help?' Well, calling 911 is one tangible and effective way Canadians can help the police in apprehending an impaired driver."
"By removing more impaired drivers from the road, we will see reductions in impaired driving crashes, deaths and injuries."
Mrs. Dunham comments, "We know the concept of calling 911 is not new to some communities across the country. We thank all those groups and the police who for years have carried this idea forward. But MADD Canada is looking to raise the public's awareness to new heights and enhance the existing 911 efforts in making it national in scope. We hope more Canadians will know what to do the next time they see an impaired driver on the road. In this vein, we encourage more organizations and the media to pick up the 911 Campaign and, together, we can all work at ridding our roadways of the threat of an impaired driving incident."
As part of its campaign MADD Canada today released billboards and bus shelter posters, a radio public service announcement, and a community-based grassroots action plan for its more than 100 local MADD organizations across Canada.
Instructive 911 background pieces were also made public today. MADD Canada worked with police to publish "10 Possible Signs of an Impaired Driver." It also is directing Canadians to do the following when observing a potential impaired driver:
1. Call 911
2. State your location
3. Vehicle Description
a) Licence plate number of vehicle
b) Colour of vehicle
c) Make and Model of vehicle
4. Direction of Travel for the vehicle
5. Description of Driver
MADD Canada's National President mentions that the organization worked closely with the police on the safety issues surrounding this campaign. Mrs. Dunham says, "These materials were developed as a result of consultations with police. We do not want motorists to put themselves in danger, to use a cell phone improperly, or to break any laws in assisting with the apprehension of an impaired driver."
MADD Canada has issued a series of safety reminders to accompany its 911 Campaign. Some of the reminders include: Please observe all safety rules; Use extreme caution when using a cellular phone to call 911; Police officers are trained specialists, let them do their job; and, Never try to apprehend the impaired driver yourself.
For more information on the 911 Campaign, visit the MADD Canada website: www.madd.ca
Background Note: 10 POSSIBLE SIGNS OF AN IMPAIRED DRIVER
Dangerous Driving Behaviour could be a sign of an Impaired Driver.
1. Driving unreasonably fast, slow or at an inconsistent speed
2. Drifting in and out of lanes
3. Tailgating and changing lanes frequently
4. Making exceptionally wide turns
5. Changing lanes or passing without sufficient clearance
6. Overshooting or stopping well before stop signs or stop lights
7. Disregarding signals and lights
8. Approaching signals or leaving intersections too quickly or slowly
9. Driving without headlights, failing to lower high beams or leaving turn
signals on
10.Driving with windows open in cold or inclement weather
ALWAYS MAINTAIN A SAFE DISTANCE FROM ANY DRIVER YOU SUSPECT MIGHT BE IMPAIRED. ALWAYS WEAR YOUR SEATBELT.
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