Z-Tuned

No apparently neither do the media or the legislators that create laws as a reaction to these BS articles.

Again, that was a stat I read by one of your buddies in the media. So probably wrong but perhaps your "insider" access can determine what percentage involved alcohol and if you say 0% you are a liar.

E.R.A.S.E isn't working admit it:

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Project ERASE officers have stopped 2,981 vehicles so far this year. Eight people have been charged with racing, compared to 10 during all of 2003.

Officers have issued 1,844 provincial offence notices, many for illegal equipment and modifications. Four people have been charged with dangerous driving, 467 with speeding and 49 unsafe vehicles have been taken off the road.

judgez24

are those specs as of jan 07? because if so then thats alot of cars to stop and you know alot of those are repeat pullovers.

it really is a shame that things have to get as bad as they do. but what it boils down to is this. racing is profitable for the city if it opens track. not only will it stop street racing but itll also generate revenue, there really is no down side. build a track in some indstrial area where the noise wont affect people, sto pthe racing by 10 or 11 p.m, even midnite, let people get their fix and then lte them be on their way.

the big problem is also that people will rebel, no one likes to be told what they can and cant do, so rather than punishing maybe the rease program could try to educate people who get pulled over. just a though, i get alot of those but really, none of our words will ever leave this forum so theres no point in even trying to talk about this because in the end all it is is a hollow conversation. unless we as a community voice our opinion and thoughts publically they wont be heard.

Z-Tuned

I believe they are from as far back as '04 as they reference '03.

Likely even more today.

RIDE is a complete violation of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms but hey why not just treat everyone like a criminal. And under the guise of defending the HTA, the ERASE program is pretty much the same. Guilty until proven innocent with new powers of search and seizure because your car sounds loud.

Mean98Neon

I can see how ERASE is a violation of rights and freedoms because it targets certain drivers (with modded cars) and puts them all in a catagory of criminal street racers. But what is wrong with RIDE, everyone gets stopped for 1 second a cop asks you if u've had anything to drink and unless you have something to hide you shouldnt be worried.. and then you go on your way. I dont see anything wrong with that, it usually slows you down by 30 seconds and it doesnt target one group of people you drive through a ride program everyone gets stopped. But stoppping only modded cars giving etests on the side of the road and slaping 100's of dollars in tickets and wasting peoples time sucks assuming they are street racers is BS. Especially when the lowered car with aftermarket wheels is definatly getting stopped but the rich maniac driver in the M5 doesnt even get looked at twice

gldwngr

Hardly...

(May 8, 2007)

John Sleeman of Sleeman Breweries is named the County of Wellington OPP's speeder of the week after a 2007 Bentley was tracked going 148 km/h on the Hanlon Expressway.

Last Wednesday around 12:50 p.m., the OPP traffic management unit was watching the Hanlon Expressway when an officer saw the Bentley travelling north on the highway.

Sleeman, 53, of Oakville, will appear in court on June 20 to face a charge of speeding.

Mean98Neon

148KM/H and thats the so called "speeder of the week" an 88 tauras passed me on the 407 this morning going 160. Lame speeder of the week.

Z-Tuned

They need probable cause. Just because you are driving, in a car does not make you a drunk driver - so why are YOU being stopped?

It is violation but people like you accept it saying oh well its just one minute. Lets see how happy you are when they nail you for something else unrelated. Which is FACT as far more tickets are handed out for other infractions that DUI.

From the Charter

Life, liberty and security of person
7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

Search or seizure
8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.

Detention or imprisonment
9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.

gldwngr

If you've ever been on the Hanlon, you would know the Hanlon and the 407 are worlds apart. Even the elevated parts of the Gardiner gives you far more driving space than the Hanlon.

In any case, that's not the point is it? In your previous whine, you suggested that the "rich maniac" doesn't "even get looked at twice". Well, Sleeman is quite rich, and his Bentley would put any M5 to shame in $ cost, performance, and bling factors.

BadAssGN

It bugs me that the media does not get the perspective of an educated individual who is an experianced racer.
it's always a young guy in a civic that dosen't know from Putty.

Why not work with Streetracers and ask What it will take to stop this.

They did a Track day at mosport a few years back, let everyone launch on the straightaway. lots came out and lots of licence plate numbers were taken down by local law enforcement.

Is a local Track going to stop all Streetracing? No. but it would help.

The cops say you already have tracks you can go to., have you ever payed $450 to get your car home after you blew a tranny? yeah, we need something closer.

As long as were Profiling, i don't think the problem lies with us Old guys that have been Driving fast cars for 10 years, I have been near sideways at 120 mph, and while it's not easy to save it I'd bet a young kid has less of a chance than I do.
I'm a family man, I have 3 kids, My awearness of public safety is greater than any pimply faced kid running Explosive Nitrous lol

And Explosive Nitrous.... It's not Falmmable, it's an Oxidizer....

Nitrous oxide, N2O, is a colorless, almost odorless gas, that was first discovered in 1793 by the English scientist and clergyman Joseph Priestley (who was also famous for being the first to isolate other important gases such as oxygen, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, ammonia, and sulfur dioxide). Priestley made N2O by heating ammonium nitrate in the presence of iron filings, and then passing the gas that came off (NO) through water to remove toxic by-products. The reaction he observed was:

2NO + H2O + Fe N2O + Fe(OH)2

For those reading this that does not understand NAAAWS read this
Re: how does nos (nitrous oxide) work in a car to make it go faster?



K I'm Done

gldwngr

They do not need probably cause. The law is written that simply operating a vehicle is probable cause enough.

There have also been a number of court challenges on this all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the Courts have ruled time and time again that the practice is an acceptable infringement of personal Charter rights.

Why not work with impaired drivers and see what it will take to stop that too?

And then stomp hard on anyone who persists.

Impaired driving laws have become progressively harsher over the years to further drive home the point that impaired driving is unacceptable.

The same is happening with street racing. It's been added to the Criminal Code as a specifically-identified aggravating factor for sentencing purposes in driving-related criminal offences, and the province is adding their own harsh penalties on top of that. And like impaired driving penalties, street racing penalties will also grow progressively harsher in time to further drive home the point that street racing is an unacceptable social practice.

Street racers know what it will take to stop street racing. Whether they do so on their own now, or are later forced to as a result of harsh criminal and provincial penalties, is up to them.

It used to be "cool" to get a little buzzed at a party and then drive home either alittle or a lot tipsy. People would chuckle and rib you about it the next day while you were still hung over. Even if you got into an accident, people would still think you were just a "bit unlucky".

Today the impaired driver is a social pariah in most circles. Street racers will soon enough find themselves also sharing that social pariah label even more than what they are starting to experience now.

Z-Tuned

So you admitted it is an infringment on rights LOL. Thanks for proving me right.

I have read that RIDE is an infringement and the Charter appears to back that up. You can't simply stop someone because they are driving? There has to be some reason behind it...stop trying to make people believe otherwise.

What's nexts, owning a house is probable cause, then they stroll into your livingroom.

Anyway stop trying play lawyer and get back to watching the tiny black and white screens or whatever you rent-a-cops do.

gldwngr

Think hard sonny.

The Charter also "guarantees" free speech. Now, go down to your local theatre and shout out "Fire!", or maybe try "Hijack!" on a plane, or simply try using "free speech" to incite a riot. Then let's see how far your Charter right to "Free Speech" protects you.

Next up, the Charter also guarantees freedom and liberty of the person, but you can still be locked up in jail.

Then there is that "notwithstanding clause" in the Charter that any province can use to override any part of the Charter.

Charter rights are not absolute, and never have been.

Think hard sonny. Do you really think that RIDE programs, in effect for 20 years now, have not already been the subject of court challenges on the basis of Charter rights? Are you really so dim that you need someone to point you directly to the applicable case law upholding the legal validity of things like the RIDE program and similar?

AMKK

I'm not trying to defend street racing, anything that causes death or injuries is a problem. But what are we trying to defeat? Street racing or modified cars. It seems like since they can't stop people from racing, they'll just annoy the hell out of everybody with a modified car. This is all I care about, since I don't street race. Street racing can be done with two STOCK sunfires for christ's sake. So what the hell does my modified car have to do with the problem? If because I have a modified car, I'm a street racer. Then because law enforcement carries guns, they're killers?!?!

Mean98Neon

no Ive never been on the Hanlon so I guess that explains why 147 is a big deal. and if its worse then gardiner that must sucks ***.

As for my previous "whine" LOL (i liked that)
yes I know a Bently is alot more then an M5 but that has nothing to do with anything, my point is they target and put modified cars in a class of maniac street racers, factory fast car drivers are also part of the problem.

thanks

kyriian

the problem is the media's protrayal of the typical street racer as young people with modified cars... problem is though in the real world... that rule is out the window... all of us here are track goers... be it circuit or drag... doesnt matter... we modify our cars because its our passion and our sport... right?

some old guy in a M6 is just as guilty as some punk in a riced out civic... problem lies in the politicans and the cops who have very little understanding of what's really going on... instead, they just make it a big deal for every modified car.,... because it is where they believe lies the problem...

as for the M6s and Turbos racing each other (i saw a viper awhile ago doing 200+ on hwy 7.... but no one is going to stop him), is all about the $$$... in the real world... $$$ talks... bringing it back to the top.. media's protrayal of street racing involves riced out civics and other JDM cars... whereas they don't show 360s against Gallardos... so what do you think the cops will automatically assume are the street racers