SuprAdam

DING DING DING

I bet over half of the "street racing" accidents/deaths involved unmodified daily drivers which probably did not belong to the drivers.

R/T kota

Back in the 80s, if you were stopped in a ride check stop, you were asked for your licence, insurance etc. Alot of times they would run your name to check for warrants and if they thought you looked wrong.
It was a violation of your rights considering that the purpose of ride was to check for impaired drivers.
I can remember being held more than 20 minutes on some occasions at a ride while the cop checked out me and my car.
I have never even to this day been asked for a breath sample.

Now the cop does not have the right to ask for any I.D. unless they have reason to suspect you have been drinking.
All they can do now is ask if you have been drinking and kind of stick the nose in your face to see if they smell anything.
It is still a violation of your rights but its one that we tolerate because we dont want to see drunk drivers.

slow_teg

the hanlon express way is an 80km/h zone, and where he was caught speeding is between the 401 and sleemans which doing over 120 is normal there. so he was going a little fast but people do that speed there all the time. the road is two lanes going both ways devided by a centre mini ditch of grass which is like 10-15 feet wide.

judgez24

so if nitrous oxide, or laughing gas, makes a car fastre, wouldnt a fart have the same effect if i trapped it in a jar and relesd it into the combustion chamber? i know whenever i get together with some friends and one guy farts everyone laughs

Z-Tuned

Sonny, thats a good one. Dim? Even better . Listen here is the deal girlfriend, you have a very skewed concept of what is going on. If I yell Fire or Hijack anywhere, that is probable cause to investigate and is a totally useless example.

Driving a car straight down the road with everything within legal boundaries is not probable. You have the right to refuse to stop and refuse the breathalyser (not advisable) but within your rights. The fact that you said it was challenged and is an allowable "infringement" proves my point that it is wrong but there wasn't enough public outcry.

They bend the rules for their own ends. Just like the Patriot Act and the NSA breaking laws left and right and the spineless (such as yourself) do not question it.

judgez24

gldwngr im readiny your replies and you went from mature and informed and somewhat respected to a name calling child, you went downhill very quickly and lost your composure. too bad

gldwngr

My composure is still the same. I'm just adjusting the words to the level of a particular member of the audience.

You must be living in some sort of narcissistic fantasy world.

You do not have the right to refuse to stop - that will net you HTA charges and conviction and all the penalties that follow, and depending on circumstances may also land you with a criminal conviction for flight from police.

When stopped, you do not have the right to refuse a breath test. That will net you charges for refusing to give breath sample, along with the same criminal conviction, criminal penalty, and criminal record as you would have received for having failed the breath test had you taken one.

I would like to see you try your theories out in the real world. Invite us to your resulting trials so we can watch you amaze the court with your own unique brand of legal interpretation of Canada's laws, and so we can then see the look of amazement on your face when you find out that "it just ain't so".

qaz393

they are just trying to say street racing are for rice people in ferrari and supercars

judgez24

i was told that i have the right to refuse to sto pfor an unmarked cop car. only beacuse of how easy it is to buy the lights and sirens online these days, that if being followed by an unmarked ii can call 911 and ask for verification tha the cop following me is really a cop, any insight on this?

gldwngr

Typical unmarked traffic cars are so heavily strobed-up, driven by fully-uniformed cops, and often ghost-marked that you would have a lot of trouble convincing a JP that "you didn't believe it was a cop". Lights on for those cars means just as much flashing as a fully marked cruiser - only the lighting placement differs a bit.

Other unmarked cars belong to major crime units. They aren't usually as strobed up or identifiable as unmarked or ghostmarked traffic cars, but just try refusing to stop for them. Because of the types of criminals these guys usually deal with, they'll just box you or ram you without a second thought, and long before you ever get to complete a 911 call.

Z-Tuned

Yes come on GTCARS members, step it up to the level of this quasi-legal OPP nut-swinger with too much access to the library's internet computer.

Fantasy world, sort of like yours where driving a car is probable cause for being unlawfully searched?

Its cool rent-o-lawyer, you know your stuff - any wisdom to offer on the conduct of cops who drink in public with their cruisers parked behind businesses in their precinct and then beat and threaten kids that filmed it. I suppose no violations there either.

gldwngr

Wrong, fool. The cops who actually chased and roughed up the kids did quite wrong, and they will pay heavily for it by the time their case is done with.

Read the HTA. There are several grounds for search without warrant, all upheld when challenged in the highest court in the land, and for many of them yes, all you need for probable cause is to simply be on the road, again, all upheld by the highest court in the land.

Z-Tuned

Methinks the only fool here is you. Who is defending a practice that has been challenged in courts as an unjust search and seizure and has done little to curb the problem. It is basically a police-state-like spot check under the guise of reducing impaired driving....2 people charged out of harassing almost 30,000 people and it only costs the taxpayers $1000/hour to operate.

Halton 2006

Vehicle Stops 27359
Roadside Screening Device Tests 199
Roadside 12 hr licence suspensions 54
ADLS Driver licence suspensions 1
Liquor Seizures 3
People Charged (Impaired/over 80) 2
HTA charges 211
Warnings 491
Other Charges 9

Ride doesn't work, either will ERASE. Deal with it.

R/T kota

So gldwngr
Just out of curiosity here.
I think I read on one of the forums threads that you were a prosecutor / crown attorney.
Am I right?

If so, would your views of " all you need for probable cause is to simply be on the road" be the same if you were a defence attorney?
See where I am going with this?

gldwngr

RIDE is only part of the program against impaired drivers - it is a high profile public awareness program, and it works. Being labelled as an impaired driver carries huge social stigma these days.

In 20 years of RIDE programs, impaired driving fatalities are less than half what they used to be even though the driving population has increased drastically in the same time. In Halton, the complete numbers are

You quoted only partial figures for Halton. A fuller picture is:
Halton Regional Police Service Traffic Statistics

’05-’06 ’05-’06
Category 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 Change % Change
Impaired Driving 391 391 369 341 282 - 59 -17.3
12-Hour Susp. 873 843 715 523 406 -117 -22.4
Prop Dmg Collisions 6,778 6,854 6,485 6,270 7,275 1,005 16.0
Injury Collisions 1,164 1,224 1,343 1,343 1,355 12 0.9
Fatal Collisions 10 19 13 10 11 1 10.0


ERASE will do the same thing for street racing. It will make street racing as social unacceptable as impaired driving, something only losers would do.