gldwngr

For what it's worth, here is another set theft frequency stats narrowed down to include only 1999 - 2000 models. The Prelude is specifically listed as number 6 on that list. The article is a few years old now, but cars that make the list tend to be there because of the ease with which they can be stolen, and that ease doesn't get any harder as the car gets older.

Supra_RZ

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If you guys think thats bad....i get cops following me while im walking on foot, and i get accused of i didn't even do. cops ( 31 Division to be exact) wanna profile everyone these days....if they see 10 mans and they don't know anyone in that group they will profile you....i have been searched, detained, kicked out of places, banned ...and all types of ****ery for nothing, just pure bull .

2TONE_93GT

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Had i posted some police brutality link from 1985 you would have laughed, instead Police Assault Women at.... is a bit more upto date, again, were talking about profiling...

For what its worth, that stat you posted is from 7 years ago gldwngr, you're reaching.

If the police base their profiling on statistics from 7 years ago, that raises some serious concern!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1point of reference

Top most stolen in 2005

2 point of reg here

2004 top 10 most stolen cars

3rd point of reference

Your argument is correct, vehicles don't get harder to steal as the years go on, but the demand lessons as clearly indicated by the statistics above.

Again, profiling is wrong and as far as i'm concerned a crime. Black or white, or m3 vs honda prelude, shotty police work!

PS. big three make up what, aprox 51% of the vehicles on the road at this moment???

2TONE_93GT

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Because you're not white.

But i'm sure gldwngr would say profiling in this instance is ok since all black people are bad!

gldwngr

The first set of stats I noted showing Honda/Acura holding the top 6 of 8 most often stolen vehicles is recent stats, only two years old. Like I said, it comes from the Insurance Bureau of Canada.

Look to the last page http://www.ibc.ca/en/Car_Insurance/documents/brochure/CW%201993-2005%20Model%20Years%20Worst%20and%20Best-E.pdf for theft frequency. Keep in mind that these are not raw sum total numbers - these are probability indexes.

Profiling based on stats is a perfectly acceptable practice. If a Honda and a Saab are going down the road at the same time, the cop behind them is perfectly justified in taking a harder look at the Honda simply because of the relative differences in theft stats.

Nope.

2TONE_93GT

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Sorry, i still don't see my Honda prelude .
I know you cant speak for every officer. And i can say for certain that the pdf you supplied doesn't say a thing about preludes being stolen and in your own words speak of probabilities...
so again, if civics are the most stolen vehicle, and i drove a civic, maybe i could understand being followed for 15 minutes.

If i drove a ridgline would they also follow me for 15 minutes ? I know you cannot answer that, but the likely hood is no.
I notice the Dodge Shadow made the list. My dodge was built off the same production line, in 17 years i was NEVER followed, ever! Ive lived here for over 22 years.

CPIC - federal db for everyone currently charged or has a record and the local occurance db, + ministry details doesn't take long to work through..... maybe it took him 15 minutes ? For his safety, he should focus more on his lane changes before he kills someone.

Anyhow, profiling is still wrong. Police Officers breaking the law is even worse.
You can pipe up for crooked police all you want, maybe that is your job, but i will always call it as i see it.

Nothing you can tell me will make me understand why i can leave a parking lot with my 600 HP car while my buddy in a civic gets worked (or neon srt4, or nissan 240 etc etc)

But isn't the same principle ? I mean, its no secret that police have been known to profile back males. "driving-while-black" . . .

again, party cops.. 10 Peel officers docked pay after drinking party

What would have happened if the kids assaulted the cops, 10 day school suspension ?


Defend the police all you like, there are some decent pc's out there, however, there are a ton who do things the wrong way. Police are held to a higher standard than a civilian.

rabbitman

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That's because they all know you personally by now.

gldwngr

[QUOTE=2TONE_93GT]If i drove a ridgline would they also follow me for 15 minutes ? I know you cannot answer that, but the likely hood is no.
I notice the Dodge Shadow made the list. My dodge was built off the same production line, in 17 years i was NEVER followed, ever! Ive lived here for over 22 years.[/URL]

You've been followed now how many times in your Honda? Wait, this was your first time. Gee, it must be a trend.

In any case, a Ridgeline is highly identifiable even to a non-car-enthusiast, and it certainly won't be mistaken for a Civic or other import subcompact.


MDTs in cruisers does not always equate to instant license checks. Network congestion, poor radio reception or even transmission dead spots, what info is requested etc can all work to add delay to information retrieval. If he was looking up your insurance status, that information is not on MTO or CPIC databases, at least not yet, and would require separate handling and a separate call to an insurance company hotline. A full check on a car and its registered owner can take more time than you would think, even in this age of computers.


Honda cars are the most often stolen, and you drive a Honda. Insurance companies break down the stats by model specifics, but a cop on patrol would simpy have the words "Honda", "compact",and "frequently stolen" in mind.


Where have I done that? What "crooked" cops have I piped up for?


Again, there is nothing illegal or improper about profiling so long as you don't violate Charter Rights in doing so. Last I heard, vehicle choice is not a Charter protection.

There's not a big problem with 600hp cars running amok on the streets. There is definately an issue with a highly visible segment of modded subcompacts doing so. Others in this thread have also noted the same.


I guess you didn't read this the first time.

The cops who took the 10-day suspension did not participate in any chase of the kids. Their sole indiscretion was to gather after hours at alocation where people were drinking out of residence. For that infraction, which would cost you and I around $130 for a minor LLA provincial offences infraction, they are out of pocket between $2,000 and $3,000 depending on their pay grade, plus letter of reprimand in their jackets which will affect their chances of future promotions and pay increases for some time to come.

That's a stiff hit for a simple liquor out of residence infraction, and can hardly be considered a trivial punishment.

The couple of cops who actually did do bad and were involved in the chase are among the other 14 who are still facing full discipliany hearings. Those cops won't be getting anything as lenient as a mere 10 days and $2,000 to $3,000 fine for what they did. Based on punishments meted out to others before them for similar stupidity, and even if they are so lucky as to keep their jobs, they will be out several thousands of dollars and their future career prospects will probably be completely dead-ended.


You have it backwards - there are a ton of decent cops out there, however, there are some who do things the wrong way. The bad do get weeded out, and they're normally exposed out by the good cops who don't take kindly to the bad cops reflecting bad on them.

2TONE_93GT

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ive owned my Honda for aprox 60 days. Been followed once.
i owned my dodge 17 years, followed zero times

So yes, there has definitely been a change, i guess its something i have to live with, or sell the car. I am now guilty before innocent

Ok, so its not about Hondas, its about Sport Compact Hondas. You were generalizing in the first few posts. #14

So, if i buy a nissan 240 i should be ok ? or an srt-4 ?

Forsure, theres a ton of things that can happen. Maybe the stars weren't aligned with the moon as well.

Would the lack of functioning equipment result in his signal indicator not working, or blowing through a red light? I am sure you have an answer, or maybe you can avoid it again ?

You are willing to take my accounts of the instance to use against me, however, my account of the officer has ultimately gone unnoticed. Its ok, it ads to your mystery appeal, isn't that what you want.. LOL

I suppose. I can only say that if the police department has malfunctioning equipment which impedes their ability to have care and control of a vehicle and abide by traffic laws that ALL citizens have to abide by, they should be parked. They're a liability to civilians and themselves on the streets of Peel.

If the agency that protects us has a dead spot for the duration of a 15 minute commute, there is more concerns.

I guess this goes back to the race argument.... Africa, Jamaica, Guiana, Trinidad, i mean, really, whats the difference right, all black ??

I mean, the police don't drive around thinking "hey, them Africans cause a ton of trouble"... lol They just profile people as black or white, so weak.

Again, i know what you're saying, and i get it, but its not right to profile people.

This debate is testament to you ignoring certain facts and piping up for a cop who committed a crime.

So, a single 600 hp domestic is ok, but a couple modified subcompacts are not ?
And what is running amok and who's doing it? How many times have i seen Peel Regional threaten to charge people at tim hortons for being parked up, is being parked considered running amok now, is running amok a police term ?

Does the police abuse of powers that took place at Tim Hortons ring a bell at 403 and Dundas ? Do you yourself remember the notice by management who they themselves were filing a civil case against the officers who caused trouble.

Because you have a badge doesn't make you ABOVE the law. Having a honda doesn't make you a crook or thief either. Being black doesnt make you a crook and being a cop doesn't make you a pig, but if we profile, then i guess if the shoe fits....

Police are held to a higher standard. They also stood by well fellow off duty police officers who are sworn to protect and serve abused their status.
They were accessories to a crime, they should have been charged as such and terminated.

They all did bad, drinking in public is against the law and results in fines. Its against the law, you consider it ok to get drunk in public while a police officer and beating up some children bad ? They're both bad and to say otherwise is ludacris.
They're both illegal, one more sever than the other, but again, this is OUR police we're talking about.

Well, no, not backwards. I am acknowledging that there are good police out there. Latter part of your statement, i also agree because i myself couldn't stand for racial profiling or any profiling.

My final note to this discussion. Basing your judgment as a police officer solely on manufacture type of a vehicle, or generalizing based off a race is a sure way to complicate things, and i would argue it allows other "vehicle makes" and "races" to partake in crimes and go unnoticed.

The officer i'm talking about discriminated against me and was acting with prejudice and that is unfair to myself and to others who may have encountered this type of behavior.

I'm locking the thread, because i can. That is the only power i have in my small world. I think nothing less of you even if you work for intelligaurd or get paid to article, its ok. Debating is great, kinda like profiling for some bad cops.