SuprAdam

Yea my g/f said she heard about it on the radio at work and they said a Stingray as well, stupid media.

sphinx

there goes the media ringing the street racing alarm bell again...

Yes he was driving fast...we've all done it...even minivan soccer moms.
Seems as though every accident the media reports involving an import or sports car or whatever allegedly occurred because of street racing.. that's total Notice how they allows say "allegedly"...because they can NEVER prove it.

Harper is going to make "street racing" a criminal offence...with a lifetime licence ban... LMAO. And just how are they going to convince a jury, without a shadow of doubt, that some guy was street racing? A Civic passes a car doing the speed limit.. the guy driving the car reaches down to grab his cell phone and hits a guard rail. They both go to jail and lose their license? If that's what the politicians think, they're delusional.

(V82slo, didn't mean to hijack the thread, just had to get that out. BTW, any new mods this year? We should go for a pass... )

sphinx

here we go again...

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_1221.aspx

"Police were on hand Thursday morning in Markham as two illegal racing cars were demolished "
Civic with K&N and exhaust = illegal racing car

"By destroying these cars, we are ensuring that they will never be on the streets in Canada again engaged in the activity of street racing"
Somehow I don't think that silver vette will ever be on the streets again anyway...but just to be 100% sure, they'll crush it...nice use of our tax dollars :thumbsup:

If I've lost my licence for life, I'm in critical condition in the hospital and on my way to jail, I don't think I'd be too worried about what happens to my car ...

This reminds me of a witch hunt and subsequent burning at the stake...the only difference is the car doesn't have a mind of it's own. Why don't they crucify the driver?

enough already...

2TONE_93GT

iTrader: (3)

Well thats it. Its the driver, not the car. And accidents do happen, doesnt mean everything that happens and ends in an accident is a result of streetracing.

v82slo

Nothing new, I bought a new belt and it should help fix that bad alternator whine. I'm thinking of slowing the car down and making it a beach cruiser, plus we all know I'll never be as fast as you.

Give me a buzz, same bat channel, same bat time.

gldwngr

There are many ways to crucify a driver. One way is to take away the wheels he used to do the deed. The car has no rights to worry about. It is a possession of its owner, and an owner is responsible for what happens with that car regardless of who is driving it. Take the car, and you impose a serious penalty on the owner. Do that a few times and the message will start to take hold, same as it did with mandatory 45-day vehicle impoundments on owners who let suspended drivers drive their vehicles.

In the case of the vette that was destroyed, there is no gain to be had by "destroying" it any further so I highly doubt that taxpayers will have to foot any bill for doing so.

BUT, if they find out who was driving the other one or two vettes that took off, and then take THOSE undamaged and very expensive cars away from their otherwise uninjured owners, that will certainly set an example that will help to dampen the throttle response on the part of more than a few would-be racer's.

I personally like the idea that cars so siezed will be put to a variety of uses. Some will be publicly crushed for public awareness and education purposes. Others will be handed over to fire and rescue units for practice with the jaws of life. And no doubt some will end up in the hands of police to be used for sting cars targeting both street racers and would-be car thieves. Those uses represent very good value to taxpayers.

1cam8valves

Why not part the car out or sell it at auction and send the proceeds to charity?

gldwngr

Costs money to disassemble a car if you want to reuse the parts. Administrative costs involved in cataloging, listing, selling, collecting and disbursing teh proceeds could be huge. Liability issues also arise from selling parts of unknown origin, unknown quality, unknown condition.

1cam8valves

Understandable, however what about the car as a whole? Many many enthusiasts buy parts of unknown origin, quality, etc; they understand the risks involved. Perhaps the funds generated from the auction can benefit the victims families, such as funds to build a memorial etc. I just don't see the point in destroying something that is valuable. You know more and more we are following the USA's idealology with this streetracing "issue". Next we will have "spectating" tickets. . .BUT why not follow the concept of creating a local track, some cities report a 55% decrease in street racing and much revenue is produced for the city.

Modified cars are exactly like alchohol, you have to know your limit and be able to handle yourself and in the wrong hands it can cause much destruction.
Should we outright ban alchohol because a few idiots are irresponsible, remember what happened in that situation? EXACTLY, take a cue from History, same thing with Tobacco.

Once the government sees the $$$ potential they will finally build a track close to home and make big bucks charging everyone to enter.

Tony the Tiger

They can start seizing the cars and start crushing them... All this does is discriminate those who also drive a customized car. It doesn't help the issue by much.

But seems like all the new cars out there as some sort of flashy mod such as sideskirts, big rims, etc... anyway. It would be difficult to catch who is racing who when we have two stock-looking Mazda P5's that looks souped from the showroom floor, or two Accords with racing each other that looks stock but already come with 17" wheels from the factory. Kids would race anything, and they choose whatever is available to get the thrill. Once the cops cannot distinguish between who's a racer and who's not, it is virtually impossible for them to lay ANY streetracing charge especially if racing ever becomes such a serious criminal offense. With such seriousness involved, the cop is also responsible for laying such charge and they'd think twice about it.

Like a few guys said earlier, it is the driver and not the car.

Discriminating any modified cars would not prevent the problem from happening, but only something to point the finger at after a tragedy happens.

With all this heat involved lately, I've tried my best to keep my car looking stock. Only a trained eye would see there is something done.

zoomin

the cars can be stock to be considered street racing. its only defined as a contest of speed between two vehicles on public roads. As for destroying cars...i think is not too bad of an idea, it will make these kids that like to go on the 401 at 5pm and race their cars through traffic...mabye now that the know they have their car to loose they will think twice. although one of the appealing things about streetracing is the fact that it is illegal and thats part of what gets the adrenaline flowing and the heart pumping.

At 17 i had an 89 5.0L stang that i was retarded with raced all over the place, never got one speeding ticket over the year i owned it, then one day after comming back to scarboro from the rona parking lot, a m3 wanted to race me, took it to 170 and shutdown cuz traffic was comming, but my buddy in his 99cobra still wanted to take him so they race through traffic, next thing i know the beemer tries goin inbetween 2 cars (middle of a lane) realizes he cant make it, locks up his tires and spins into a car next to him, that car spins a out a durango and next thing i know im goin 120 in 4th strait towards a trucks headlights, i swerve out of the way, break the rear loose, fishtail for a bit an get the car back strait, then outa nowhere the bimmer rolls infront o me (he wanted to get to the shoulder) so i t-bone him @ round 100. i got charged with dangerous driving causing bodily harm x2 and criminal neglegance causing bodily harm x2, i am 20 now and what resulted from this:

- 2 girls in my car (part of the reason i only took it to 170, i know i was stupid still), my girl ripped tendons, sliced ear, and constant back problems, second girl broke her femur. now this is what i feel the worse about as it mas my moves that brought harm to these people...and that kills me inside.
-my car (a mint 89 5.0L with some boltons) that was my pride and joy, got totalled and turned into an oversized paperweight.
- family problems for a while (european parents...nuff said)
- $30,000 on lawyer
- parents insurance went up to $12,000/yr on 2 cars.
- 1.5 years of being on $10,000 bail with a 9:00 curfew, no license, and restrictions on my freedom.
- after 1.5 years of court i took a plea bargian and ended it with 1 dangerous driving causing bodily harm charge.
- after 1.5 years of court i recieved an extra 1.5 year license suspension, and 1.5 years of probation, along with another 6 months of 9:00 curfew, then another 6 months of 11:00 curfew
- there is now a civil lawsuit pending against me and my father
- the lowest quote for insurance i have found was $17,000 on a 4dr golf..wtf?
- i now have a charge on my record so i cant ever travell to the states

did i learn my lesson? **** yeah, do other people learn from my mistakes, no, cause people will NEVER learn unless they go through hardships themselves, and only then will the deepness of the situation sink in, but usually by then its too late cuz their ****ed. will they learn from seeing other peoples cars getting ****ed up, nah, its just entertaining too see two riceboxes being crushed by a bulldozer. will they learn from seeing incidents that have taken innocent lives, no, cuz in their mindsets they are invincible and better drivers and it could never happen to them...blah blah blah. new stricter laws might slow it down a bit but it will not stop it. in my opinion the largest impact on curbing streetracing will be when local tracks will be created and people have an outlet to release their "need for speed" legally, and greatly reducing the risk of harming themselves and more importantly others. Currently im building a 2.3T stang (still looking for a shell, PM me if u got one) and the car is strictly going to be raced on the track only, auto-X and drag.

ppl, please take it off the streets and take the drive down to St. Thomas, i'll guarantee you will have loads more fun at the track too.

just had to put that in
thanks for reading
Victor

Turbo Jer

But this is exactly what we're saying, f*$king idiots that race on busy roads with traffic are ruining it for the real racers. People who are into the sport do not endanger others lives because they know what the outcome will be. I am really sorry for what happened to you and the girls, I really am, but God man.

You know what else I hate is when people say that we do this because of the "rush" we get from doing it on the streets. BS, the rush is from going XXmph down the 1/4. If there were a way we could do this closer to here, LEGALLY! and at times that we are able to make it to the track, then we would all be there hanging out NOT getting harrassed. It just makes sense.

v82slo

Just as an update, it appears the driver of the crashed car did pass away recently. We can all bash street racing but hopefully be sensitive to his family's loss.

zoomin

well the highway was empty when i got on it, then traffic came up, thats when i just dropped it into 4th and let the engine slow me down, if i woulda kept pushing it i woulda been way ahead of that bimmer when he collided with the cars, not saying what i did was right just saying the outcome may have been different. but hey, i might have not learned my lesson and something even worse coulda happen later on..."what if's" can always be said about everything, but "what is" is what matters

as for racing on the street, 99% of the streetracing vids i see posted up are on semi main roads and i see many other cars around. and i agree 100% that we need a nice nearby track w/o cops hastling ppl, but rather encouraging them to run their car on the track, they should go to popular meeting spots and offer to race cars against theirs on the track, and promote the strip (that would be fun, running the 1/4 with a cop with his cherries on beside you), the revenue generated by a local track would be tremendous as all the modified cars in toronto would be there, and not on some semi populated street breaking the legal limit 3 times over. and there is land out there to do this.

also another thing to be adressed is that these street racing accidents are always heard of in the papers, but how many people here have ever read what the consequences really were? all you know is what they are charged with and thats it, never do you hear where they ended up. and that is the most important thing about detering the public from doing such things, the fear of grave consequences. I have talk to street racers who think they just get a ticket...they dont know they get a criminal charge, and they definately dont know the seriousness of the charge either. , i got friends that have been charged with aggravated assault and got less consequenses/punishments then i did. all in all we all agree that we need a nice local 1/4 track.

ohh reah and the real rush is going XXXmph down the track, gotta get the tripple digits man.

gldwngr

And the drivers of the other two Corvettes involved are now looking at upgraded criminal charges in relation to that death, as well as having had their two Corvettes seized by police.