Turbo Jer

I thought we established this already too?

zoomin

i thought we did as well, but then Low-Low chimed in that its safe to race wherever he says it is, cuz he says so, even if it is on public roads, as long as he says its safe we should all just do it.

victor

Turbo Jer

and I'm refering to the fact that THERE ARE NO GODDAMN TRACKS WITHIN REASONABLE DISTANCE!!

gldwngr

It would make no difference at all. Street racing would still happen when the track was closed. There was a track just 40 minutes northwest of Toronto back back in the heyday of the muscle car era. It being available did not reduce street racing in the area at all.

If anything street racing increased as a result of people using the roads to test and tune their cars prior to "official" meets at the drag strip.

zoomin

well then i guess there is no solution. the smart people will bring what they got to the track and cruise on the roads, and the idiots will continue to endanger lives, and risk their freedom tearing up the streets of T.O.

I for one would just like to see a track nearby so i can drive out to run my .

Turbo Jer: isnt it worth the 1hr drive knowing that you will not be risking your and other peoples lives, as well as your freedom and vehicle?

victor

Tony the Tiger

There were no easily accessible dynos, nor any good tuning device that allows you to tune the car back in those days. The only way to do it was on the streets. So even if you give them a track, they need a place to tune to get the car race-worthy anyway. You are very simple-minded to come up with that conclusion.

All the folks in the tuning business nowadays always do it at the track if available. A dyno lets us get the tune pretty close to where it should be, and a few passes at the track gets everything dialed in. Problem is that we don't even have a track nearby, so fine tuning HAS to be done on the roads unfortunately. I have to find an empty stretch of highway in the early morning hours to dial in some of my cars, and all I needed was a straight section of damn road that could be easily arranged if the government was serious into keeping the streets safe.

Quite honestly, I don't even know how you found your way here into this forum. You don't even sound like you belong here, and doesn't seem like you are a car enthusiast in any way. You seem so lost here.

gldwngr

I'm simple minded? Just how many of the the would-be racers do you think are going to shell out cash to put their car on a dyno? Many don;t even want to shell out $25 for runs donw the strip, and you think dynos are somehow going to take them off the street. Even you admit it takes a few passes after the dyno to get things dialed in. What do you want to bet that even witha strip, you would still be dialing in on a public road somewhere?


I'm not a car enthusiast? Um, ok. I guess I was just bored with nothing else to do when I was out rallying, ice racing, solo racing, road circuit racing over the years. I guess I'm still bored when I'm out on the race track these days, albeit in a slightly different official capacity now. I've been involved in organized and properly sanctioned racing events from the moment I got my driver's license right up to and including today. See you at the Molson Grand Prix of Toronto.

zoomin

tony, i seen your camry race vids... your just one of the examples i was talking about when i say i see race vids of people racing on semi popular streets with cars all over the place. tune on the dyno, run the track, then why u need to race vettes and other cars on our streets?

victor

btw, nice kill on the vette, woulda been alot nicer on the track, but i give props to anyone who can build a vette eating camry.

Turbo Jer

First of all, I barley race on the street at all and yes I do drive the one hour and a half to the track to race (when my car was running!) but there is the odd time when I would take a run on the street. Not once was one of these situations dangerous, by any means!
Victor, you are absolutely right, I will not risk my freedom or my vehicle any more, I've had my fun on the street, I just truly believe that a track would drastically reduce the racing on the roads. Especially if they had something like Cayuga where they are open late on Fridays and possibly Saturdays. Even if it cost let's say $30-$40 bucks I would rather pay that then get a ticket and have my license taken away.

Jer

Tony the Tiger

Not to be rude buddy, but I think the reason why you got into such a mess if you don't know how to contemplate between the risks involved when doing your "stunt" driving.

A racoon flying out in the middle of nowhere and smacking the car beside you is slim to none. All the driver needs to do drive properly and not swerve and the possibility of killing someone simply becomes zero.


Racing in an empty industrial area has its risk; hell driving to the grocery store following all laws would still end up killing someone if you didn't pay attention to pedestrians. All it takes is a pedestrian (ie: a child) run out to the road to catch his ball and you end up smashing the kid although you were doing nothing wrong behind the wheel.

It's all about the chances, and lowering the risks. They way you drove back in the years is asking for it, car full of people in a 2-door sport cars with probably no safety offered for the rear passengers, and not knowing how to look ahead for traffic until it is too late. Even the slightest accident those passengers in the back would be toast.

When lives get involved, you think carefully. I would never race with a car full of people, nor race another car that is full of passengers (the race would be BS anyways with the weight difference). There are ways to play, and ways to play is as safe as possible.

Obviously the safest way is to go to the track, but there is none within reasonble distance. No one is going to sink in $50 on a tank of gas every weekend to go to a track 2 hours away just to find out nobody is there anyway (an empty track with maybe a few farm boys going at it on their chevy pickups).

As much as I respect the fact that you shared your story in hopes to do good, your example simply doesn't reflect on the issue at hand.

Tony the Tiger

Would-be racers would have nothing to tune for anyway, so....? Dialing in a muffler tip?


Slow down guy, the way you expressed yourself doesn't show you are a car enthusiast, that's all. Just that the same goes for the above statement, you know, with no idea what the hell is tuning. Cool and all that you go to racing events.

Tony the Tiger

There was no traffic miles ahead, and it was done on the road with a centre median. No intersections/entrances on that stretch. The car that passed by is a friend's car trying to capture the run on video. Neither of those runs had a single car ahead for miles. Plus, the race was computer generated, so I made the background seem like it was done on the streets to give that extra "effect"

You have to think about how all of us ended here at this current day. I would always run my car at the track if it was within reasonable distance. The last thing I want is to run on public roads. How did I end up here? The cops are busting guys who are trying to play it safe by severely targetting on those who organizes themselves at a desserted location. However, we do not have a track anywere close to enjoy the thrill of racing. That's how we ended up here, and like on the other threads in this forum, is how innocent lives got involved.

snoopy

you can get on the dyno for 100 bucks/hr whereas a track would cost maybe $30/night if we had a local one... clear as daylight which tuning method most people would choose from a cost perspective... of course there is no track available anywhere close... an hour and a half is too long to spend in the car in heavy traffic...

gldwngr

Do you know how many people spend that amount of time commuting to and from work each and every day? Do you know how many people do that distance and much more for their fun trips to the cottage each and every weekend?

And you think that's too far to go once a week or so for safe and legal fun on a legitimate track with time slips instead of tickets handed out as a bonus? Some supposed car "enthusiast" you are.

snoopy

yea right

friday night test and tune at cayuga, when the 403 is backed up all the way and is 35 degrees outside

you are crawling along the 403 and you can't feel your left foot from the stop and go traffic thanks to capt. centerforce

then you get to that damn 50-60 zone and there is the local official who should clearly be attending a domestic disturbance call hiding in a bush with a radar gun pulling people for 5 over

gimme a break