Tony the Tiger

I don't get this.. do we even have a track that is open during the weekends in the morning hours? (12:00am - 3:00am)?

Problem is that we've already spent enough time commuting, what makes you think that we'd want to do that during the weekends? That is why there are insane speeders, severe accidents, and crazy highway blitz during long weekends and such; because in fact, people are tired of traffic, and they are tired of long commutes as well. These aren't even car enthusaists, they are regular people who are speeding and "wanting to get there ASAP".

What what can those cottage owners do? Buy a cottage within the city for several million bucks? Relax in their backyard that you can touch the neighours house by stretching your legs?

Cottage owners have no choice but to take the long drive.

Kids and racers choose to do it on the streets because it's easier. The solution is to make legally racing at the track EASIER than racing on the streets. Think of the big picture and stop pinning down on several specific group of people. That's how people ended up dying on the streets because all the polititians probably think like you

Turbo Jer

Going to work is a necessity to make money, and it's there own stupid choice to live in the 'burbs to drive that far. Cottage is for a full weekend trip too, not a few hours of driving to do more driving.

gldwngr

Well then, I guess it's your own "stupid choice" to live so far from a legal drag strip.

Let's see what's more inconvenient - a 90 minute drive to the dragstrip for legal runs, or several trips to and hours of appearance in court to face criminal charges, plus the legal costs, plus potential loss of car, money for fines, and your freedom.

A 90-minute drive to engage in arecreational pasttime is nothing - ask anyone who skis or snowboards, or who does water sports, or who skydives, and that's just for starters. A true enthusiast wouldn't blink twice at such a piddly amount of travel time, especially if that was the difference between staying in or out of jail.

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Tony the Tiger

Sure we can have a few car enthusiasts take a 90 min (more like 150 min BTW) and hit the track.

1) I don't think the track opens between 12:00am-3:00am?

2)Who's going to show up to race if 99% of all the young punks are still within the city racing at every corner? The thrill is also go flex some muscle and show who walks the talk, and not some race against time BS which quickly gets boring. It is the environment with people gathering at a spot, chill, and head over to do some runs. It is not taking a 150 min drive, get cooked in traffic, and race a few squirrels along the way.

3) Please realize that we would all race at the track, but even us who race legally would be discriminated by all the media BS going on. Don't forget that even if you race legally at the track, on your way back home, your car can STILL be impounded because cops set up to bust all the guys with modified cars right outside the drag strip. Really, isn't the government lost in this whole thing?

gldwngr

Noise bylaws - no track near any populated area will EVER open after midnight. If that is a major part of your argument, you are simply not being realistic or reasonable.

Your point 3 contradicts your point 2.

Regarding point 3 and being pulled over - if your car is modified in a manner not legal for the street, you deserve whatever you get when you get pulled over for an equipment or emissions check.

xcentric

computer generated? -yahright- =)

theres always cops hiding near the motel just few hundred meters pass coffee time for the first race before the bridge. even in the 2nd one just after the bridge is still shady, and not east enough. comon, work with me..

snoopy

cough cough

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Low-Low

First off good job on the insult. I'm a retard, but you're the one with $15,000 of insurance. How ironic.

Second I find it hilarious how you keep hyping your Mustang and how badass it was, if you weren't so stupid you'd probably still have it. Don't hype a car you wrote off, it just makes you look like an ***.

'I didn't even want to race'. You contradicted yourself 1 page back.

Ok so by your line of reasoning I can race on "unassumed roads" then right. There's lots of them around. You know, those roads that developers build that are neither owned by the city nor the developer. The ones that aren't covered by the HTA or even your car insurance if you **** your car up because there is no one liable for the road?

I take a long look at where my life is and a long look at where you say your life is and I'm thinking that your life is a lot more lame than mine.

I don't need to race, I can if I want to, but I don't need to. And even if I did I wouldn't need a car to kick your *** in a race, all I'd have to do is strap on some Nike Shox and I'd blow the side burns off your face.

Tony the Tiger

Late night street drags... Happens in the US smack in the middle of the city, and you should probably know why it happens. Saving lifes and keeping the streets safe is the priority and noise bylaws could come second. Whose lives are being involved? The citizens. Who complains about the noise bylaws? Citizens. Who wants to keep the streets safe? Citizens as well. It's not that hard to find an agreement somewhere in between. Often priorities are confusing for polititians, that's why sh*t never gets done. It's confusing for you as well.

Try to read my points again. It is number 3) which lead to 2), and which is why I am back on the streets, but very seldomly. That is why almost everyone is back on the streets. If nobody is at the track anymore, who's there to race with? It's easier to get one or two pulls on an empty road within safe measures in my perspective than to drive 2+ hours to the track; perhaps just to find out that I get ticketed and my car impounded anyways right outside the track because a few things aren't within the law (under the officer's lame/ignorant judgement). Driving to the track even if we are willing to is not a solution. Cops are busting us wherever we go. Their first initial approach was to stop racing completely, which eventually meant stopping all sorts of racing related hobby/past time/etc... That's retarded. Having a customized car is so-called racing related so they bust you in hopes to make you give up on the sport. It's like one obstacle after another, and it forces people to do things in a certain way. Well, that brought out of the out-of-control racers we are seeing right now.

Remember all these large scale busts a few years ago right outside the track. We race on the streets, they bust us...fine. Then PACER was trying to promote us to race at the track legally, but maybe someone within the police department was high on some weed and decided to bust us right outside the track?! They are ticketing guys for having tires that are close to balding, or the cars are too low, or a non-functioning headlight. Useless crap which we probably purposely installed prior to the track day.

I have met an officer who was also into modding cars when I was once pulled over. My car passes all visual inspections and it passes E-test on the rollers. The MTO officer checks out my car and was really cool about it. Not even a hint of giving me a ticket even with a big fat turbo. He knows the car was done within safety, had all the emissions equipment still intact (close PCV system, cat, etc) dand some stuff was there for track day only (scrubbed up R-tires, no seats in the back).

Another officer pulled me over another time in my EL, a stupid one, tries to BS that my exhaust was too loud and improper. I told him the muffler is stock (it is a stock ITR muffler). It doesn't even make noise. So alright, he stops insisting and what's next? The cop tries to point to me that my license plate was obstructed because he couldn't see too well through the plastic cover. I didn't even had a license plate cover on there (the plate was dusty and so was my entire car), so then I left ticket-free. Another time, along the way to Shannonville, I was in my Integra. Cop pulls me over, and asked where I was heading. Afterwards, he points out that my exhaust is too loud, so without any room for rebuttle, he writes me an improper muffler ticket. And then I got another ticket for suspension too stiff? That's a classic.

There is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide if we decide to customize our cars and enjoy the sport safely. Doing runs on the streets netted me zero BS tickets for the past 5 years. Pretty amazing huh? As long as my car was kept clean, and looks subtle compared to rest of the folks, cops never bothered me. At night, my car looks way too stock and even when I sped past a cop many times, I never got pulled over! On the other hand, if I went to a legal track event, I was automatically labelled as a racer and I'd get ticketed even if my car had the slightest appearance of a modified import.

Just think about how many streetraces we've witnessed on a daily basis. I see all sorts of cars racing each other along 401 just before rush hour in which I have never seen back in '98. It's going to suck to see way too many people involved, and it's not going to get any better.

I never had the need to do any runs on public roads (regular roads with higher potential of traffic) when I was doing some clean runs at a desserted industrial road with fellow racers' cars blocking off each end of the road (to best prevent unexpected cars from entering). That was me back in '98 and I was about 17-18 yrs-old. I never had the need to take it on the streets with traffic that we are seeing teens do right now. We had a place to unleash our cars when we were able to do some good runs during the weekends. We had a place to race, but the media haven't got involved into the BS and no one was ever hurt. Cops showed up but they let us race until a security complained about noise. The cops were cool, knowing that we are trying to do it safely, and have always allowed us leave peacefully. There was also this one time period when all the Metro cops were cool, and did not bother any one of us. They just drove by, told us to leave because someone complained, and we left after already finishing some good runs that night. Nobody cared about us doing runs at a desserted place, not until some CityPulse reporter went undercover and caught racers on film that they've decided something should be done. I was there that night when Citypulse's red 4runner was following us to Coronation and Beachgrove. The media pressured the politicians, then pressured the cops into doing something stupid by scattering all of us and leaving us with no place to race.

Put a 17-18 yr-old version of myself or any car enthusiast today, and they would be all over in traffic trying to catch a good race. This is exactly what's happening unfortunately.

Here's my basic formula:

More cars on the road = more kids behind the wheel = more import/racing TV shows and magazines = more demand for customized parts = Canadian Tire carries altezza lights + other parts = more souped up cars = more cars participated in racing = more accidents if there is no place to race especially with more traffic on the road these days.

Tony the Tiger

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Tony the Tiger

Why so skeptical? I simply pulled off the background on some racing clips I have on my hard drive, and then overlayed my in-car video onto one of the race videos, and then mix in the audio. You didn't really believed that a Camry auto could beat an S/C vette did you?

v82slo

I thought I saw those cars on Grand Turismo 4! Great photochopping effect Tony. You're a better computer nerd then you are driver.

zoomin

Coronation and Beachgrove, lol wow that was some back in the day , that street became so bait tho.

low-low, i say my car was fast cause to most civics 170 is topping it out therefore racing the car to its full potential. 170 in the stang was just ****in around a bit. and yeah, if i wasnt so stupid, i would still have it, so what, everythin u done in life was right? im just tryin to educate people from my mistakes how hard is that to understand, in not bragging about my misfortune, but rather trying to prevent it from happening to others.

im pretty sure i also mentioned any road that is open for the general public to drive/ride down... do you have an unassumed that only you are allowed to drive down? if so then by all means race down it. Also mabye there are no reprocussions through the criminal code, but just try explaining to the jury when you got a civil suit against that, due to the fact that the road was unassumed that meant you could race down it.

and how the **** do you know where i am in life? all you know is my driving status, and if you judge how good your life is going by the status of your driving then you seriously need to sit down and reconsider some decisions you have made, cause there is much more to life then driving. to me its a hobby, i love working on and running cars/bikes, i still have my projects, i can race my race cars/bikes on tracks legally, and on the streets i got a mx6 LS and a GTP to cruise in so its not all that bad, i just gotta stay outa trouble on the streets. as for the rest of my life, i am 100% satisfied and am enjoying every minuite of it... i doubt you are, mabye thats why u feel you gotta act liek a big badass rude boi on the internet that has an opinion about everything and if 1 person doesnt agree then you gotta get your panties in a bunch... how bout u take a break from law school and your right hand and go out and find some friends and a chick...that should lax you out a bit.

ohh and if you think nike shox are cool then you got no taste at all, those are the ugliest and useless shoes i have seen nike make, and congrats for being another person to fall for the nike shox advertising gimmik. and i dont have sideburns so you can blow somethin else on me *****.

low-low:
"First off good job on the insult. I'm a retard, but you're the one with $15,000 of insurance. How ironic.

Second I find it hilarious how you keep hyping your Mustang and how badass it was, if you weren't so stupid you'd probably still have it. Don't hype a car you wrote off, it just makes you look like an ***.

'I didn't even want to race'. You contradicted yourself 1 page back.

Ok so by your line of reasoning I can race on "unassumed roads" then right. There's lots of them around. You know, those roads that developers build that are neither owned by the city nor the developer. The ones that aren't covered by the HTA or even your car insurance if you **** your car up because there is no one liable for the road?

I take a long look at where my life is and a long look at where you say your life is and I'm thinking that your life is a lot more lame than mine.

I don't need to race, I can if I want to, but I don't need to. And even if I did I wouldn't need a car to kick your *** in a race, all I'd have to do is strap on some Nike Shox and I'd blow the side burns off your face."

gldwngr

Unassumed roads are still considered public thoroughfares and subject to the HTA. "Unassumed" merely means that the local municipality has not assumed maintenance responsibilities for it yet.

Even if they were considered "private" property, you can still be charged for dangerous driving, criminal negligence, and impaired while operating a vehicle on private property, even your very own property.