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Old 01-06-2006, 07:33 PM
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whats it gonna take for a 96-98 cobra to shillack the avg ls-1 with small bolt ons? I've got a buddy with a ws-6 intake chip exhaust and suspension he was running
mid- high 12's, daily driver too well for 6 months anyway.
If you want to lay down some N/A shillackings on an LS1 these are my suggestions:
4.10 gears, 31 spline axles and carrier
Subframe connectors, drag oriented suspension.
JBA shorty headers, catted X pipe, and cat back of your choice. I personally like the sound of the Steeda cat back (essentially Borla mufflers).
Steeda underdrive pulleys
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IMRC plate delete kit
255lph intank high volume fuel pump
Big Bore MAF sensor and a custom computer chip.
Talk to Paul at Steeda.ca for a tune and correlating MAF meter. When you go supercharged and with bigger injectors he can retune the comp and set it up without having to send out your MAF to be recalibrated.
I think with the above mods and a set of sticky Drag Radials mounted on some wider wheels you should be able to beat many LS1s into submission.
But, the best advice would be to learn how to drive your car. Go to the track, beat on it down the 1320 and learn where it likes to be shifted and how to launch it right. I would definitely suggest going to some open lapping days or even a "driving school" at one of the local road race tracks. I personally believe Cobra's were built to compete more with the European cars like the M3 and Porsche Carrera. I think they would be alot of fun with some light mods and a suspension set up for road racing. Either way you build it, you will enjoy it. I'd love to own a 96-98 Cobra.
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Old 01-06-2006, 08:03 PM
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barely anyone has said anything about the 3.73 RP, 4.10 must be where its at then eh? anyways i have always been into european cars mainly vw/audi so i've had my share of fun to drive/handling compacts but i want to change sides now and have a straight line assasin, sure good enough for some spirited driving but mainly straight line speed here. So susp isnt that big an issue, more for laying down better 1320's than to handle. what small not so costly mods can i do to prepare for s/c down the road. i was tihnking maybe focus on the rear end and exhaust. with an s/c set-up isnt the 4.10 gonna be too wild?
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barely anyone has said anything about the 3.73 RP, 4.10 must be where its at then eh? anyways i have always been into european cars mainly vw/audi so i've had my share of fun to drive/handling compacts but i want to change sides now and have a straight line assasin, sure good enough for some spirited driving but mainly straight line speed here. So susp isnt that big an issue, more for laying down better 1320's than to handle. what small not so costly mods can i do to prepare for s/c down the road. i was tihnking maybe focus on the rear end and exhaust. with an s/c set-up isnt the 4.10 gonna be too wild?
With an SC the 4.10s would feel perfect. The DOHC motor loves to rev, and so do centrifugal blowers. I suggest doing full exhaust, gears, tune, MAF and drag suspension for you. Make a plan, and then add to the car bit by bit. Start with subframe connectors, then do the cat back, then install drag struts and shocks, then install the gears etc etc etc. Make a plan of attack and an overall end goal. Do all the foundation mods bit by bit, however you can afford to do them and then slap a blower on it to cap off the mods. I think you'll enjoy 4.10s better than 3.73s in a DOHC Cobra.
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4.10's in a cobra yes, but s/c? i dunno i dont wanna have to be ripping thru gears, something is more likely to break that way
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4.10's in a cobra yes, but s/c? i dunno i dont wanna have to be ripping thru gears, something is more likely to break that way
You dont rip through gears, you row them nicely and make sure its in gear. We're not going after every last tenth here, you dont have to shift your tranny so hard that the handle pops off. Just shift with authority. The 4.6 DOHC has a higher powerband than the 302/351 pushrod motors we're used to in factory trim. Expect a decent 4.6 DOHC with a blower to make peak power at about 6200-6300 RPM, thats alot more useable RPM than a typical 5.0 has.
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i like my 3:73s... my buddies 4:10's seem too short...

its not easy to lay the shillackings on a modded ls1, they can make some good jam without a power adder......on the ls forums you tend to see a ton of guys going N/A ..h.c.i....

mind you, suspension in my oppion should be delt with right away. do it once. then in time add a nice blower and be done with it....

it costs more if you take the baby steps and keep upgrading than if you went in and just laid down the cash..

buy the car, take 5gs and goto a decent shop and say i wanna go 12s.. it should be fairly easy.
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so im definately going to try and find a cobra, then im gonna do some rear end work and whatever small mods i can that will later contribute to a s/c. i am still confused as to why id waqnt a 4.10 with an s/c ya sure it makes power up high but its going to be waaaay to short IMO. but then again i havent really experienced it myself, ive driven plenty of NA fox 5 oh's with 3.73's but who on here hasnt, im just making assumptions here and i think it will be crazy short.
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I personally am waiting to build up an 86-88 notch w/ either a 4.6 2v w/ pi heads or a 01-04 4.6 4v w/the wiring harness out of a 99-04 and the suspention/braking system from the 99-02 cobra - 03-04 Mach 1 w/ live axle of course. 5-speed and 4:10's and if I do it right I should be low 12's n/a with less then $13,000 invested. show ready ...
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how deep do i have to get into a 94-95 GT to see reliable high 12's without the bottle? achievable? is it even worth it? only thing is the weaker internals if i boost, but if i boost it down the road maybe a full motor build plus boost. alot of money to do something like that, although im sure a stock as a rock vortech kit wont harm the motor, not unless a smaller pulley is used or other mods are made. It seems pushrod is where its at for fun, cheap and fairly reliable day to day on tap HP.
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I personally am waiting to build up an 86-88 notch w/ either a 4.6 2v w/ pi heads or a 01-04 4.6 4v w/the wiring harness out of a 99-04 and the suspention/braking system from the 99-02 cobra - 03-04 Mach 1 w/ live axle of course. 5-speed and 4:10's and if I do it right I should be low 12's n/a with less then $13,000 invested. show ready ...

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well definately going to go with good ol pushrod power. what would be the advantages or disadvantages or going fox 5L over sn95 5L? my main goal is to supercharge just not right away, and its gotta be streetable too but i use that term loosely, anything is streetable in my books, but what i am getting at is its not going to feel like i am driving a dragster through traffic, nasty clutch ride etc. i already heard a few disadvantages of sn95's and they are that the computers arent to great, and not too many of the reg like 79-93 parts are the same, they have more specific parts, and lastly they dont handle boost as well because of the cast pistons. any info and advice is welcome. this is a whole different topic im sure but it might contribute to picking either a fox or sn95, for the s/c i was leaning toward the Kenne Belle, ive been reading about them and i think it would be awesome on a 5l, alot of guys running that set-up, or more with just a vortech like centrifugal over roots style?
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well definately going to go with good ol pushrod power. what would be the advantages or disadvantages or going fox 5L over sn95 5L?
my main goal is to supercharge just not right away, and its gotta be streetable too but i use that term loosely, anything is streetable in my books, but what i am getting at is its not going to feel like i am driving a dragster through traffic, nasty clutch ride etc. i already heard a few disadvantages of sn95's and they are that the computers arent to great, and not too many of the reg like 79-93 parts are the same, they have more specific parts, and lastly they dont handle boost as well because of the cast pistons.
Foxes have some advantages that you already mention, forged pistons and computer (89-93). The computer on SN's can be cured with a custom tune. SN95's use hypereutectic pistons, not cast. How the car drives is dependent on how you set it up. If you drop it to the floor with ultra low profile tires it will definitely be harsh. If you install a triple puck clutch it will be harsh. Think about what you want to do with the car beforehand and plan it out.
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any info and advice is welcome. this is a whole different topic im sure but it might contribute to picking either a fox or sn95, for the s/c i was leaning toward the Kenne Belle, ive been reading about them and i think it would be awesome on a 5l, alot of guys running that set-up, or more with just a vortech like centrifugal over roots style?
Well, how do you like your power? Do you want it gradual or instantaneous? I love torque, but it comes with a price. Very hard on parts. Kenne Bell blowers feel awesome, but if you're punching it off the line alot plan on upgrading driveline and suspension parts. A centrifugal blower will make nice gradual power, usually peaking higher up in the power band. Not as hard but not exactly easy on parts.
There are certain things to consider on a fox as well, they are becoming increasingly difficult to find in clean unmolested shape. SN95's can still be found pretty cleanly. They are also lower priced than most comparable Fox Stangs. A nice, 120k, 95 GT with 17" wheels and a 5 speed can be had from $6000-8500. If you want a loosely streetable Stang, with nice power and respectable manners, nothing beats a Fox. Just make sure you check the torque boxes, make sure the frame isnt bent anywhere (always check beside the headers on the bottom of the shock towers to see if its bent from a front collision), if you grab it reinforce it right, install subframe connectors, maybe a roll cage, put some suspension geared toward your preference (street, Solo1, drag) plan out the mods and start building over time. Theres no reason why you cant have your cake and eat it too. A nicely set up Fox with some good initial mods will probably set you back $12-13k. It comes down to what you prefer, a Fox or an SN95. With a good investment and a good plan you can get whatever you want. Someone I know is selling a gorgeous 95 GT convertible, triple black, 98k km, supercharged, cobra intake, steeda cam, custom chip, nicely done and driven by a grandmother (lol). I think he wants $15k for it.
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so there arent any really big upsides or downsides for either in your opinion like in comparison to one another? about that 95 GT for sale, i have never been a fan of the vert, in any car really. so the KB isnt really good for my style set up eh? basically at the end of the day its gotta be a blast to drive, it will be making apperances at the track but majority of the time spent enjoying this car will be on the street. basically i've always had my eyes peeled for a nice fox, and pretty well the only one i'd really want is off a cousin of mine, 89LX hatch, a nice light blue colour, mint shape, 2nd owner, 130ish K on it, only thing is its auto, thats why i made a post earlier on what tranny to use if i were to swap out the auto and convert. ive been buggin him for years and i dont think he will ever part with it, so most likely going to try and find a clean 95GT. once the car is bought id like to (assuming it doesnt need small maintenance done right off the bat) start to build a nice rear end, then a nice exhaust, and then just wait for the KB. now i am probably gonna go with the 4.10RP but from what ive been reading about the KB i think maybe 3.55 at most 3.73 will be crazy enough, with the 4.10's i think i'll be shifting like a maniac. also for the KB id be looking at the blowzilla but, is it a problem to run it at low boost? becuase id like to start off with that unit, leave stock bottom end, and then later on, fully build my bottom end and turn up the boost to about 12-14 pounds
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so there arent any really big upsides or downsides for either in your opinion like in comparison to one another? about that 95 GT for sale, i have never been a fan of the vert, in any car really. so the KB isnt really good for my style set up eh? basically at the end of the day its gotta be a blast to drive, it will be making apperances at the track but majority of the time spent enjoying this car will be on the street. basically i've always had my eyes peeled for a nice fox, and pretty well the only one i'd really want is off a cousin of mine, 89LX hatch, a nice light blue colour, mint shape, 2nd owner, 130ish K on it, only thing is its auto, thats why i made a post earlier on what tranny to use if i were to swap out the auto and convert. ive been buggin him for years and i dont think he will ever part with it, so most likely going to try and find a clean 95GT. once the car is bought id like to (assuming it doesnt need small maintenance done right off the bat) start to build a nice rear end, then a nice exhaust, and then just wait for the KB. now i am probably gonna go with the 4.10RP but from what ive been reading about the KB i think maybe 3.55 at most 3.73 will be crazy enough, with the 4.10's i think i'll be shifting like a maniac. also for the KB id be looking at the blowzilla but, is it a problem to run it at low boost? becuase id like to start off with that unit, leave stock bottom end, and then later on, fully build my bottom end and turn up the boost to about 12-14 pounds
So SN95 5.0 it is. My suggestion is to always do a complete tune up on a car you plan to mod. This way you spend $400-500 replacing all the tune up components with upgraded parts. You know they are quality, you do make sure it can handle whatever you throw at it. The fact that driveability and fuel mileage will be increased wont hurt either. While you're doing the tune up, bump the timing up to 14* BTDC. Then you should install some subframe connectors and maybe a 4 cyl Fox front sway bar. If you're gonna go with the Blowzilla, then go with 3.55 gears. I would also suggest a tougher clutch, maybe something like a King Cobra or a Centerforce Dual Friction. While you're installing the clutch, I would HIGHLY recommend installing a steel input shaft bearing retainer (goes on the front of the trans, inexpensive safety while the trannie's out). Next up would be a high flow high volume Walbro 255lph intank fuel pump. Add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, install the cat back of your choice, h or X pipe with cats and long tube 1 5/8" headers. At this point, you can install either a drag oriented or street suspension setup.
I would suggest you do the above in order for maximum potential. The car will be set up for whatever blower you decide to throw on it at low boost. When the time comes, you can build a decent 302 with some nice heads to stuff in there and crank up the boost. There are certain things you should look after as every model and year has its own little quirks, I'm already typing a novel so ask me when you get the car.
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DFI Gen VI.. can be had for $600 with 3 bar..... ive seen on a stock sn95 it make an additional 40+ RWHP....

Thats not a bad upgrade and is 100% expandible in the future.
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