Which Engine is Better for a Swap?
12-17-2005, 06:00 PM
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Thanks for advice. The situation is that I might be able to get a 93 civic with a B20 VTEC for around $7200 just wanted to know if that was a descent deal. Or if instead I get the Type R swap again around the same price.
12-17-2005, 07:10 PM
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all depends on wats done to the b20v... a b20v wit stock internals and jus a head is wayyyyyy cheaper than a typie.... and it depends on wat u wanna do wit the car... neither motor will take boost well stock... b20v has more potential...
12-17-2005, 10:38 PM
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So another question would be what engine do you think would have the most potential(could be anything B16,H22A etc) And what bolt-ons would be the most beneficial?
Thanks for the help and the advice
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12-17-2005, 11:13 PM
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It depends on what your goals are.
If your looking for 300hp or less, then it doesnt matter what engine.
If you want 300+ , only then do the limitations occur, and you need to look at the engines potential.
If thats the case, forget about the b16. Sure it's better then a d16, which im guessing you have, but not by much.
The b18c5 is a great motor, especially for N/A, but at the price, it really isn't worth it imo. Plus its not too turbo friendly, so any hopes of making mad power become even more expensive.
The b18b is not a great motor all in itself, however it is probably the best candidate for boost. Seeing as these engines are rather cheap, what ever money you saved can easily be usued to built this motor up for a killer turbo setup.
The b20 is a strange motor. Here you have the advantage of larger displacement, but the block is rather weak. When coupled with a vtec head, it wil make for a crazy street motor, but the cylinder walls are very prone under any heavy modification. You can get them reinforced, but again its more money.
The h22 is a beast. Its a great motor as is, and with can be easily modified. It is also pretty boost friendly, so massive power potentials are there. There are 2 things people mainly complain about though, the cost of swapping one in, and its weight. Regarding the weight, it really is negligable, and with a decent suspension setup you will be fine.
And finally there is the k-series of engines. If you have the money, and i only say this because you seem to be considering a type r engine, then I would consider swapping one of them in. The engines themselves dont go for THAT much, but the swap wil definatly kill you. The upside is that these engines are the future of honda, and new parts are constantly being made. Not to mention that they have amazing potential.
Then there are the other engines of course, like an f22 or f20, but they are so rare i doubt you will need to know about them.
In the end the decision is yours, but i hope some of the info here will clear a few things up.
If your looking for 300hp or less, then it doesnt matter what engine.
If you want 300+ , only then do the limitations occur, and you need to look at the engines potential.
If thats the case, forget about the b16. Sure it's better then a d16, which im guessing you have, but not by much.
The b18c5 is a great motor, especially for N/A, but at the price, it really isn't worth it imo. Plus its not too turbo friendly, so any hopes of making mad power become even more expensive.
The b18b is not a great motor all in itself, however it is probably the best candidate for boost. Seeing as these engines are rather cheap, what ever money you saved can easily be usued to built this motor up for a killer turbo setup.
The b20 is a strange motor. Here you have the advantage of larger displacement, but the block is rather weak. When coupled with a vtec head, it wil make for a crazy street motor, but the cylinder walls are very prone under any heavy modification. You can get them reinforced, but again its more money.
The h22 is a beast. Its a great motor as is, and with can be easily modified. It is also pretty boost friendly, so massive power potentials are there. There are 2 things people mainly complain about though, the cost of swapping one in, and its weight. Regarding the weight, it really is negligable, and with a decent suspension setup you will be fine.
And finally there is the k-series of engines. If you have the money, and i only say this because you seem to be considering a type r engine, then I would consider swapping one of them in. The engines themselves dont go for THAT much, but the swap wil definatly kill you. The upside is that these engines are the future of honda, and new parts are constantly being made. Not to mention that they have amazing potential.
Then there are the other engines of course, like an f22 or f20, but they are so rare i doubt you will need to know about them.
In the end the decision is yours, but i hope some of the info here will clear a few things up.
12-19-2005, 03:15 PM
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Now what's better between a Frankenstien engine and a B20 VTEC engine? And what mods would be the best for the most all motor hp?(Cams, Headers etc.) (Sorry for the constant questions, but you guys give good advice so I figured if I were to ask any questions I should do it now before I start my project.)
12-19-2005, 06:09 PM
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A frankenstein motor, is a hybrid motor compromised of parts from two or more engines. Therefore a b20 vtec, is a frankenstein motor. It utilizes the b20 block, and the b16, or b18 head.
Another great frankenstein motor is the LS-vtec. It uses the b18 ls block, and a b16 head.
As for going all motor, your on the right track. The bare basics you want to take care of are the intake, headers, and exhaust. After that you can get into more and more complex things, like cams, port and polish of the head, boring the block for more displacement, strenghtening the block with forged internals, replacing stock pistons for higher compression pistons.
Going all motor is usually the most expensive way to extract horsepower out of an engine. What kind of horsepower are you looking for? What will the car be used for? (Daily driver, drag racing, auto-cross)
Another great frankenstein motor is the LS-vtec. It uses the b18 ls block, and a b16 head.
As for going all motor, your on the right track. The bare basics you want to take care of are the intake, headers, and exhaust. After that you can get into more and more complex things, like cams, port and polish of the head, boring the block for more displacement, strenghtening the block with forged internals, replacing stock pistons for higher compression pistons.
Going all motor is usually the most expensive way to extract horsepower out of an engine. What kind of horsepower are you looking for? What will the car be used for? (Daily driver, drag racing, auto-cross)
12-21-2005, 06:09 PM
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why are people always forgetting the b18c1, its great for power and a pretty easy swap, and its by far cheaper than both the c5 and the k series... just another option though, if you do have the money and want a good setup the b20 block/b16 head with a turbo, even at 7 psi you would see very good results.
just my 2 cents.
just my 2 cents.
12-22-2005, 03:03 PM
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I cant believe i forgot the c1 
My bad.
But sleepy is correct, the gsr would be a great engine. 300hp is pretty easy to attain with it. You can up the compression in it quite a bit, unlike a c5. Plus you could bore it over to 2 litres :P
Depends on far you can stretch your budget. If you seriously want to stay all motor, it will be a bit more expensive like I said, but your goal is still very attainable.
I know a guy who was running a turbo gsr setup, he was making 300hp at the wheels with a t3 at 12psi.
Since your car will be a daily driver, a supercharger might be another cool option. Instant power once you hit the gas.
The options really are endless, and no two builds are the same. If your goals are around the 300hp mark, I wouldnt be trying to buy the best engine though, because any engine with proper mods can reach that. I would focus more on the way you plan to get there, like all motor or forced induction, and go from there. Weight out advantages of certain engines over others. Basically set out a game plan.
But the gsr motor is almost perfect for your goals, imo.
There is a ton of material on the net, and on various forums. Visit sites like honda-tech, super honda, toronto civics, vancouver civics, toronto integras, and so on. Search through some posts, because a lot of the basics are covered there. It will also help you gain a sense of what works and what doesnt, and hearing peoples opinions is also vital.
And of course ask questions, like your doing
My bad.But sleepy is correct, the gsr would be a great engine. 300hp is pretty easy to attain with it. You can up the compression in it quite a bit, unlike a c5. Plus you could bore it over to 2 litres :P
Depends on far you can stretch your budget. If you seriously want to stay all motor, it will be a bit more expensive like I said, but your goal is still very attainable.
I know a guy who was running a turbo gsr setup, he was making 300hp at the wheels with a t3 at 12psi.
Since your car will be a daily driver, a supercharger might be another cool option. Instant power once you hit the gas.
The options really are endless, and no two builds are the same. If your goals are around the 300hp mark, I wouldnt be trying to buy the best engine though, because any engine with proper mods can reach that. I would focus more on the way you plan to get there, like all motor or forced induction, and go from there. Weight out advantages of certain engines over others. Basically set out a game plan.
But the gsr motor is almost perfect for your goals, imo.
There is a ton of material on the net, and on various forums. Visit sites like honda-tech, super honda, toronto civics, vancouver civics, toronto integras, and so on. Search through some posts, because a lot of the basics are covered there. It will also help you gain a sense of what works and what doesnt, and hearing peoples opinions is also vital.
And of course ask questions, like your doing