Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
news:3FD2941A.67431959@interbaun.com...
>
> As I understand it, the reason you need so much 'headroom' in the tank
> is mostly expansion. Gas is stored underground and comes out pretty
> cold.

This is true, except on a cold day, when the product coming out of the
ground is actually warmer than the above ground temperature.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
news:3FD2941A.67431959@interbaun.com...
>
> As I understand it, the reason you need so much 'headroom' in the tank
> is mostly expansion. Gas is stored underground and comes out pretty
> cold.

This is true, except on a cold day, when the product coming out of the
ground is actually warmer than the above ground temperature.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

On 12/6/2003 8:44 PM 'Curly Q. Links' spake these words of knowledge:

> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>> Curley, do you intend to say that the shutoff *should* happen when the
>> tank is 3 gallons or more from being full, or am I misunderstanding
>> something?
>>

> -----------------------
> Dave,
>
> As I understand it, the reason you need so much 'headroom' in the tank
> is mostly expansion. Gas is stored underground and comes out pretty
> cold. On a HOT day, it will expand at a great rate, and if you park it
> on even a slight angle, it will 'burp' into the evap. canister, then
> start overflowing wherever it can. This is clearly a fire hazard, not to
> mention an unsound environmental practice.
>
> Gas runs down the street, or starts to pour down the nearest manhole
> cover. Add a smoker walking by while lighting up, and somebody gets to
> be on the evening news.
>
> I think roll-over accidents are part of the equation too, but I don't
> know anything about that part.
>
> I don't think these people writing the manuals are just trying to spoil
> our fun, really. :-(

Well, the way you say it here sounds reasonable - although I try not to
let that get in the way of a good argument. ;^) I think that if my
tank did that, there'd be something wrong, even though I've never put
more than 15 gallons in ('03 Accord, 17 gal tank I believe).

The process you describe seems to me to be certainly possible, but not
much more likely than a car exploding in flames due to a collision
(outside of the movies). I recall that this past year, there has been
an increased awareness of the potential for static to cause disasters at
fillup. That seems to me to be somewhat more likely, although still a
remarkably small chance. I suppose any chance at all is enough to get
the lawyers into the engineering department, but I do think we can go
too far protecting ourselves from ourselves.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
-- Dying is no excuse; Nixon in 2004.

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

On 12/6/2003 8:44 PM 'Curly Q. Links' spake these words of knowledge:

> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>> Curley, do you intend to say that the shutoff *should* happen when the
>> tank is 3 gallons or more from being full, or am I misunderstanding
>> something?
>>

> -----------------------
> Dave,
>
> As I understand it, the reason you need so much 'headroom' in the tank
> is mostly expansion. Gas is stored underground and comes out pretty
> cold. On a HOT day, it will expand at a great rate, and if you park it
> on even a slight angle, it will 'burp' into the evap. canister, then
> start overflowing wherever it can. This is clearly a fire hazard, not to
> mention an unsound environmental practice.
>
> Gas runs down the street, or starts to pour down the nearest manhole
> cover. Add a smoker walking by while lighting up, and somebody gets to
> be on the evening news.
>
> I think roll-over accidents are part of the equation too, but I don't
> know anything about that part.
>
> I don't think these people writing the manuals are just trying to spoil
> our fun, really. :-(

Well, the way you say it here sounds reasonable - although I try not to
let that get in the way of a good argument. ;^) I think that if my
tank did that, there'd be something wrong, even though I've never put
more than 15 gallons in ('03 Accord, 17 gal tank I believe).

The process you describe seems to me to be certainly possible, but not
much more likely than a car exploding in flames due to a collision
(outside of the movies). I recall that this past year, there has been
an increased awareness of the potential for static to cause disasters at
fillup. That seems to me to be somewhat more likely, although still a
remarkably small chance. I suppose any chance at all is enough to get
the lawyers into the engineering department, but I do think we can go
too far protecting ourselves from ourselves.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
-- Dying is no excuse; Nixon in 2004.

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

On 12/6/2003 8:44 PM 'Curly Q. Links' spake these words of knowledge:

> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>> Curley, do you intend to say that the shutoff *should* happen when the
>> tank is 3 gallons or more from being full, or am I misunderstanding
>> something?
>>

> -----------------------
> Dave,
>
> As I understand it, the reason you need so much 'headroom' in the tank
> is mostly expansion. Gas is stored underground and comes out pretty
> cold. On a HOT day, it will expand at a great rate, and if you park it
> on even a slight angle, it will 'burp' into the evap. canister, then
> start overflowing wherever it can. This is clearly a fire hazard, not to
> mention an unsound environmental practice.
>
> Gas runs down the street, or starts to pour down the nearest manhole
> cover. Add a smoker walking by while lighting up, and somebody gets to
> be on the evening news.
>
> I think roll-over accidents are part of the equation too, but I don't
> know anything about that part.
>
> I don't think these people writing the manuals are just trying to spoil
> our fun, really. :-(

Well, the way you say it here sounds reasonable - although I try not to
let that get in the way of a good argument. ;^) I think that if my
tank did that, there'd be something wrong, even though I've never put
more than 15 gallons in ('03 Accord, 17 gal tank I believe).

The process you describe seems to me to be certainly possible, but not
much more likely than a car exploding in flames due to a collision
(outside of the movies). I recall that this past year, there has been
an increased awareness of the potential for static to cause disasters at
fillup. That seems to me to be somewhat more likely, although still a
remarkably small chance. I suppose any chance at all is enough to get
the lawyers into the engineering department, but I do think we can go
too far protecting ourselves from ourselves.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
-- Dying is no excuse; Nixon in 2004.

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

On 12/6/2003 8:44 PM 'Curly Q. Links' spake these words of knowledge:

> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>> Curley, do you intend to say that the shutoff *should* happen when the
>> tank is 3 gallons or more from being full, or am I misunderstanding
>> something?
>>

> -----------------------
> Dave,
>
> As I understand it, the reason you need so much 'headroom' in the tank
> is mostly expansion. Gas is stored underground and comes out pretty
> cold. On a HOT day, it will expand at a great rate, and if you park it
> on even a slight angle, it will 'burp' into the evap. canister, then
> start overflowing wherever it can. This is clearly a fire hazard, not to
> mention an unsound environmental practice.
>
> Gas runs down the street, or starts to pour down the nearest manhole
> cover. Add a smoker walking by while lighting up, and somebody gets to
> be on the evening news.
>
> I think roll-over accidents are part of the equation too, but I don't
> know anything about that part.
>
> I don't think these people writing the manuals are just trying to spoil
> our fun, really. :-(

Well, the way you say it here sounds reasonable - although I try not to
let that get in the way of a good argument. ;^) I think that if my
tank did that, there'd be something wrong, even though I've never put
more than 15 gallons in ('03 Accord, 17 gal tank I believe).

The process you describe seems to me to be certainly possible, but not
much more likely than a car exploding in flames due to a collision
(outside of the movies). I recall that this past year, there has been
an increased awareness of the potential for static to cause disasters at
fillup. That seems to me to be somewhat more likely, although still a
remarkably small chance. I suppose any chance at all is enough to get
the lawyers into the engineering department, but I do think we can go
too far protecting ourselves from ourselves.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
-- Dying is no excuse; Nixon in 2004.

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on E
(low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
shuts
off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in my
tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with 10
gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not have
if
overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
spilled
from a single fill up.

So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
into
it?



===== Original Message from "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> at
12/6/2003 2:44 pm
>Spam Trap Account wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed when filling my car that the "filled" shutoff triggers way to
>> early. Now I know that you are not supposed to top off you tank but seeing
>> I
>> can fit another 3 gallons into the tank after this starts (very slowly) it
>> certainly does not seem correct to me. More than doubles my fill up time
>> and
>> is pretty annoying.
>---------------------------------
>Mr. Trap,
>
>It only takes longer to fill it if you disobey the terms of your
>warranty and overfill it intentionally. The people are content to do
>what the book says are half way home while you're goofing around.
>
>If you won't believe the book, call the fire department (or the EPA) and
>see if they think Honda is just pulling your chain for writing such a
>lame thing in their owner's manual. :-(
>
>'Curly'
>
>---------------

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on E
(low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
shuts
off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in my
tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with 10
gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not have
if
overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
spilled
from a single fill up.

So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
into
it?



===== Original Message from "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> at
12/6/2003 2:44 pm
>Spam Trap Account wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed when filling my car that the "filled" shutoff triggers way to
>> early. Now I know that you are not supposed to top off you tank but seeing
>> I
>> can fit another 3 gallons into the tank after this starts (very slowly) it
>> certainly does not seem correct to me. More than doubles my fill up time
>> and
>> is pretty annoying.
>---------------------------------
>Mr. Trap,
>
>It only takes longer to fill it if you disobey the terms of your
>warranty and overfill it intentionally. The people are content to do
>what the book says are half way home while you're goofing around.
>
>If you won't believe the book, call the fire department (or the EPA) and
>see if they think Honda is just pulling your chain for writing such a
>lame thing in their owner's manual. :-(
>
>'Curly'
>
>---------------

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on E
(low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
shuts
off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in my
tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with 10
gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not have
if
overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
spilled
from a single fill up.

So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
into
it?



===== Original Message from "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> at
12/6/2003 2:44 pm
>Spam Trap Account wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed when filling my car that the "filled" shutoff triggers way to
>> early. Now I know that you are not supposed to top off you tank but seeing
>> I
>> can fit another 3 gallons into the tank after this starts (very slowly) it
>> certainly does not seem correct to me. More than doubles my fill up time
>> and
>> is pretty annoying.
>---------------------------------
>Mr. Trap,
>
>It only takes longer to fill it if you disobey the terms of your
>warranty and overfill it intentionally. The people are content to do
>what the book says are half way home while you're goofing around.
>
>If you won't believe the book, call the fire department (or the EPA) and
>see if they think Honda is just pulling your chain for writing such a
>lame thing in their owner's manual. :-(
>
>'Curly'
>
>---------------

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on E
(low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
shuts
off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in my
tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with 10
gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not have
if
overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
spilled
from a single fill up.

So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
into
it?



===== Original Message from "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> at
12/6/2003 2:44 pm
>Spam Trap Account wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed when filling my car that the "filled" shutoff triggers way to
>> early. Now I know that you are not supposed to top off you tank but seeing
>> I
>> can fit another 3 gallons into the tank after this starts (very slowly) it
>> certainly does not seem correct to me. More than doubles my fill up time
>> and
>> is pretty annoying.
>---------------------------------
>Mr. Trap,
>
>It only takes longer to fill it if you disobey the terms of your
>warranty and overfill it intentionally. The people are content to do
>what the book says are half way home while you're goofing around.
>
>If you won't believe the book, call the fire department (or the EPA) and
>see if they think Honda is just pulling your chain for writing such a
>lame thing in their owner's manual. :-(
>
>'Curly'
>
>---------------

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

"Spam Trap Account" <wireless@mailandnews.com>
news:3FD5058A@Flyer...
> Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on
E
> (low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
> shuts
> off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
> generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in
my
> tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with
10
> gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not
have
> if
> overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
> spilled
> from a single fill up.
>
> So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
> into
> it?
>

If you fill your gas tank all the way to the filler neck on a regular basis
you will clog your fuel filter and destroy your fuel pump.

When you overfill there is gas flowing into the charcoal canister (not just
fumes). The gas is then sucked back into the tank under normal operation.
The charcoal canister is full of dust and other deposits (air continuously
flows through the canister) which are dissolved in the gas and introduced to
your fuel tank.

Bye,
Leon

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

"Spam Trap Account" <wireless@mailandnews.com>
news:3FD5058A@Flyer...
> Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on
E
> (low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
> shuts
> off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
> generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in
my
> tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with
10
> gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not
have
> if
> overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
> spilled
> from a single fill up.
>
> So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
> into
> it?
>

If you fill your gas tank all the way to the filler neck on a regular basis
you will clog your fuel filter and destroy your fuel pump.

When you overfill there is gas flowing into the charcoal canister (not just
fumes). The gas is then sucked back into the tank under normal operation.
The charcoal canister is full of dust and other deposits (air continuously
flows through the canister) which are dissolved in the gas and introduced to
your fuel tank.

Bye,
Leon

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

"Spam Trap Account" <wireless@mailandnews.com>
news:3FD5058A@Flyer...
> Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on
E
> (low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
> shuts
> off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
> generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in
my
> tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with
10
> gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not
have
> if
> overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
> spilled
> from a single fill up.
>
> So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
> into
> it?
>

If you fill your gas tank all the way to the filler neck on a regular basis
you will clog your fuel filter and destroy your fuel pump.

When you overfill there is gas flowing into the charcoal canister (not just
fumes). The gas is then sucked back into the tank under normal operation.
The charcoal canister is full of dust and other deposits (air continuously
flows through the canister) which are dissolved in the gas and introduced to
your fuel tank.

Bye,
Leon

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

"Spam Trap Account" <wireless@mailandnews.com>
news:3FD5058A@Flyer...
> Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving on
E
> (low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
> shuts
> off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
> generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons in
my
> tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank with
10
> gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not
have
> if
> overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
> spilled
> from a single fill up.
>
> So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of gas
> into
> it?
>

If you fill your gas tank all the way to the filler neck on a regular basis
you will clog your fuel filter and destroy your fuel pump.

When you overfill there is gas flowing into the charcoal canister (not just
fumes). The gas is then sucked back into the tank under normal operation.
The charcoal canister is full of dust and other deposits (air continuously
flows through the canister) which are dissolved in the gas and introduced to
your fuel tank.

Bye,
Leon

Re: 03 Civic Si fill up issue.
 

3 gallons out is a little excessive, especially on a car that only holds 13
gallons. Does this happen at every gas station or only at particular ones.
I've noticed that some gas pumps tends to stop a little earlier than others.
I too like to add more gas into my tank after it stops.

"Leon" <leonp_nospam@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$39toph$dk9$1@ithaca.tee.gr...
> "Spam Trap Account" <wireless@mailandnews.com>
> news:3FD5058A@Flyer...
> > Give me a break! The car has a 13.2 gallon gas tank, yet after driving
on
> E
> > (low fuel warning light on for > 40 miles, needle pegged at E) a fill up
> > shuts
> > off at 8 gallons. Now assuming I still have a gallon or so (lets be
> > generous... 2 gallons) that means I can never put more than 10 gallons
in
> my
> > tank). Now don't lecture me on "overfilling" a 13.2 gallon gas tank
with
> 10
> > gallons. Since when can you add another 3 gallons into a tank and not
> have
> > if
> > overflow I think your are mistaken. And for the record nary a drop as
> > spilled
> > from a single fill up.
> >
> > So who else has a 02 Civic Si here and can put more than 8 gallons of
gas
> > into
> > it?
> >
>
> If you fill your gas tank all the way to the filler neck on a regular
basis
> you will clog your fuel filter and destroy your fuel pump.
>
> When you overfill there is gas flowing into the charcoal canister (not
just
> fumes). The gas is then sucked back into the tank under normal operation.
> The charcoal canister is full of dust and other deposits (air continuously
> flows through the canister) which are dissolved in the gas and introduced
to
> your fuel tank.
>
> Bye,
> Leon
>
>