'03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
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>
> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to
> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the
> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day.
Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments.
$85.33USD (shipping in)
Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN
About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%)
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
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>
> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to
> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the
> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day.
Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments.
$85.33USD (shipping in)
Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN
About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%)
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
#139
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
#140
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
#141
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>
>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>> $2.89 ea.
>
>
> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>
> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>
> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> decades.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>
>
It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
engine.
In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
onto the road).
I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?
#142
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
www.thepartsbin.com carries both Nippon and Denso brand oil filters for
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
#143
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
www.thepartsbin.com carries both Nippon and Denso brand oil filters for
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
#144
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
www.thepartsbin.com carries both Nippon and Denso brand oil filters for
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
#145
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Posts: n/a
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
www.thepartsbin.com carries both Nippon and Denso brand oil filters for
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
Hondas and other Japanese cars.
Has anyone used these?
Presently I use either a PureOne or Wix filter for my Accord as I also don't
trust the construction methods of Fram filters.
John
#146
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
the Pilot.
I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
paperwork?
John
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<vcae20lp940eo0u26mum037kotgga13jeu@4ax.com>. ..
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:04:53 GMT, y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >George Macdonald wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:10:49 -0600, "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart $2.89
> >>>ea.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well it depends on which Fram part you're talking about but Honda has some
> >> say in the specs for materials and build. See
> >> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml for comparisons of
> >> several of the old style filters - the Honda version has a larger inlet
> >> hole area and more filter media than the Frams. That said, I refuse to buy
> >> the Fram-made Honda filters; if the dealer can't or won't get the Filtech
> >> versions, I use Purolator Pure Ones.
> >
> >I really don't trust the Fram - even with Honda's stricter requirements.
> >The cardboard endcaps and cheezy bypass valve. I'd use a Champion Labs
> >filter before that. Champion Labs produce for different brands,
> >including Mobil 1, Champ, ACDelco (some but not all), Bosch, STP/Deutch,
> >and Tech2000 (Wal-Mart house brand).
>
> Watch out for some of the rebranded filters like Bosch, STP, Wallyworld -
> some of them have switched to off-shore junk fairly recently, see
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml
Of course. I haven't seen any changes in the filters I get for my
family's cars yet. I know what the design looks like, and look for
the country of origin.
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:04:53 GMT, y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >George Macdonald wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:10:49 -0600, "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart $2.89
> >>>ea.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well it depends on which Fram part you're talking about but Honda has some
> >> say in the specs for materials and build. See
> >> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml for comparisons of
> >> several of the old style filters - the Honda version has a larger inlet
> >> hole area and more filter media than the Frams. That said, I refuse to buy
> >> the Fram-made Honda filters; if the dealer can't or won't get the Filtech
> >> versions, I use Purolator Pure Ones.
> >
> >I really don't trust the Fram - even with Honda's stricter requirements.
> >The cardboard endcaps and cheezy bypass valve. I'd use a Champion Labs
> >filter before that. Champion Labs produce for different brands,
> >including Mobil 1, Champ, ACDelco (some but not all), Bosch, STP/Deutch,
> >and Tech2000 (Wal-Mart house brand).
>
> Watch out for some of the rebranded filters like Bosch, STP, Wallyworld -
> some of them have switched to off-shore junk fairly recently, see
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml
Of course. I haven't seen any changes in the filters I get for my
family's cars yet. I know what the design looks like, and look for
the country of origin.