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'06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ... Traction Control Stability Control Emergency Braking Assistance Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (newer Honda LXs have ...) Rear disks DRL I decided to take a hard look at the Camry LE, versus what I'd have to buy from Honda to get the features above. I already knew I couldn't get the features in any LX / Special Edition / Special Value models with a stick, and because I like a manual transmission, I'd have to go up to the the EX with V6 and 6M. Aside from power and handling, the Accord EX and Camry LE are very different in character because of differences between the two in handling, economy, convenience, and comfort, but controlling for as many factors as possible, the Camry i4/5M LE looks like a heck of a value. Beginning in 2007, Toyota includes so many of these features standard for the Camry that the single "VS" (vehicle stability / traction) option for $650 gets you all the safety features above. That means if you can live with an i4/5M versus a V6/6M, your MSRP savings for this level of safety is: $27,850 V6/6M Honda EX -20,680 i4/5M Camry (with VS option) ------ $ 7,170 or, 34.7 percent less for the Camry LE. And if you really have to have the extra power of the V6/6A, the Camry still wins as the 3.5L produces HP/Torque comparisons of: 268HP/248FT-LB, versus 244HP/211FT-LB for the Accord EX V6/6M And better fuel economy, and at MSRP of $24,270 with the VS option group included, is still $3,580 less than the EX Accord. But this is a digression, since you can't get the V6 Camry with a stick, (which I want), and don't want the extra horses if it means giving up up the stick. (If you like automatics, this could an even sweeter deal for you ...) Focusing on our original comparison, and limiting ourselves to how the cars are different ... Honda EX V6/6M More power, sportier handling Alloys Sunroof Remote anti-theft Leather seats & trim for doors, shifter, steering Heated seats & mirrors Folding rear bench w/ pass-thru Remote window operation Universal remote transmitter (garage/alarm) Dual climate control Illuminated vanity mirrors Floor mats EPA Mileage / Range, City/Hwy w/17.1 gallon tank 21 / 30 -- 359/513 and on the other side .... Camrey i4/5M LE Better fuel economy Smoother ride Quieter cabin 3.5 foot smaller turning circle Rear seatbelt pretensioners Tire Pressure Monitoring Split folding rear bench Rear center armrest storage Speed sensitive volume Aux mp3 audio input 15 vs 14 cu/ft luggage Dusk sensing headlamps EPA Mileage / Range, City/Hwy 24 / 34 EPA 444/629 Range with 18.5 gallon tank Average of 100 miles greater range! ------------ So the Accord is your pick if money doesn't matter, and luxury, sporty handling an power are tops, and, If $7,170 is a chunk of change for you, and, A smoother, quieter ride is important, and, Fuel economy and range matter, and, You can live with a butt-ugly grille, The Camry LE looks like a winner. +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
Charles Lasitter wrote:
> snip > > Camrey i4/5M LE > > Better fuel economy > Smoother ride > Quieter cabin > 3.5 foot smaller turning circle > Rear seatbelt pretensioners > Tire Pressure Monitoring > Split folding rear bench > Rear center armrest storage > Speed sensitive volume > Aux mp3 audio input > 15 vs 14 cu/ft luggage > Dusk sensing headlamps > > EPA Mileage / Range, City/Hwy > 24 / 34 EPA > 444/629 Range with 18.5 gallon tank > Average of 100 miles greater range! > > ------------ > > So the Accord is your pick if money doesn't matter, and luxury, sporty > handling an power are tops, and, > > If $7,170 is a chunk of change for you, and, > A smoother, quieter ride is important, and, > Fuel economy and range matter, and, > You can live with a butt-ugly grille, > > The Camry LE looks like a winner. > For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that should average something like 35 mpg. It has a much smaller trunk but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid stacks up well in your comparison. We have one vehicle that is now used almost exclusively for short trips in town. A Toyota Hybrid could be a practical choice if we wanted that size car. But we're also looking at the new Civic. Not that much smaller, great mpg but perhaps $10K less expensive than the Camry Hybrid in another year or so. However, I worry about the short trips in town and what that might do to a new engine, especially in winter. |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
Charles Lasitter wrote:
> snip > > Camrey i4/5M LE > > Better fuel economy > Smoother ride > Quieter cabin > 3.5 foot smaller turning circle > Rear seatbelt pretensioners > Tire Pressure Monitoring > Split folding rear bench > Rear center armrest storage > Speed sensitive volume > Aux mp3 audio input > 15 vs 14 cu/ft luggage > Dusk sensing headlamps > > EPA Mileage / Range, City/Hwy > 24 / 34 EPA > 444/629 Range with 18.5 gallon tank > Average of 100 miles greater range! > > ------------ > > So the Accord is your pick if money doesn't matter, and luxury, sporty > handling an power are tops, and, > > If $7,170 is a chunk of change for you, and, > A smoother, quieter ride is important, and, > Fuel economy and range matter, and, > You can live with a butt-ugly grille, > > The Camry LE looks like a winner. > For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that should average something like 35 mpg. It has a much smaller trunk but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid stacks up well in your comparison. We have one vehicle that is now used almost exclusively for short trips in town. A Toyota Hybrid could be a practical choice if we wanted that size car. But we're also looking at the new Civic. Not that much smaller, great mpg but perhaps $10K less expensive than the Camry Hybrid in another year or so. However, I worry about the short trips in town and what that might do to a new engine, especially in winter. |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
Charles Lasitter wrote:
> snip > > Camrey i4/5M LE > > Better fuel economy > Smoother ride > Quieter cabin > 3.5 foot smaller turning circle > Rear seatbelt pretensioners > Tire Pressure Monitoring > Split folding rear bench > Rear center armrest storage > Speed sensitive volume > Aux mp3 audio input > 15 vs 14 cu/ft luggage > Dusk sensing headlamps > > EPA Mileage / Range, City/Hwy > 24 / 34 EPA > 444/629 Range with 18.5 gallon tank > Average of 100 miles greater range! > > ------------ > > So the Accord is your pick if money doesn't matter, and luxury, sporty > handling an power are tops, and, > > If $7,170 is a chunk of change for you, and, > A smoother, quieter ride is important, and, > Fuel economy and range matter, and, > You can live with a butt-ugly grille, > > The Camry LE looks like a winner. > For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that should average something like 35 mpg. It has a much smaller trunk but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid stacks up well in your comparison. We have one vehicle that is now used almost exclusively for short trips in town. A Toyota Hybrid could be a practical choice if we wanted that size car. But we're also looking at the new Civic. Not that much smaller, great mpg but perhaps $10K less expensive than the Camry Hybrid in another year or so. However, I worry about the short trips in town and what that might do to a new engine, especially in winter. |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
On 25 Apr 2006 10:16:58 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:
> For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that > should average something like 35 mpg. The purchase of a hybrid has been criticized of late as offering a false economy. CR wrote that you almost can't drive enough miles for it to make ($$) sense, especially compared to the more parsimonious gasoline engine cars. But if it gives you a nice big environmental "warm and fuzzy", I guess that's something ... unless you start looking at the energy required to manufacture and recycle batteries, etc. I guess I would look at a Prius if I were going that route. > It has a much smaller trunk WAY smaller ... > but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid > stacks up well in your comparison. Except for the biggie safety thing: You can't purchase vehicle stability control w/traction control even as an option on the Hybrid. It's also hundreds of pounds heavier than a regular i4, so I'm afraid it would corner like a pig and would not stop as short. Hmmm. Is the idea of suspension kit for a hybrid an oxymoron? +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
On 25 Apr 2006 10:16:58 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:
> For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that > should average something like 35 mpg. The purchase of a hybrid has been criticized of late as offering a false economy. CR wrote that you almost can't drive enough miles for it to make ($$) sense, especially compared to the more parsimonious gasoline engine cars. But if it gives you a nice big environmental "warm and fuzzy", I guess that's something ... unless you start looking at the energy required to manufacture and recycle batteries, etc. I guess I would look at a Prius if I were going that route. > It has a much smaller trunk WAY smaller ... > but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid > stacks up well in your comparison. Except for the biggie safety thing: You can't purchase vehicle stability control w/traction control even as an option on the Hybrid. It's also hundreds of pounds heavier than a regular i4, so I'm afraid it would corner like a pig and would not stop as short. Hmmm. Is the idea of suspension kit for a hybrid an oxymoron? +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
On 25 Apr 2006 10:16:58 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:
> For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that > should average something like 35 mpg. The purchase of a hybrid has been criticized of late as offering a false economy. CR wrote that you almost can't drive enough miles for it to make ($$) sense, especially compared to the more parsimonious gasoline engine cars. But if it gives you a nice big environmental "warm and fuzzy", I guess that's something ... unless you start looking at the energy required to manufacture and recycle batteries, etc. I guess I would look at a Prius if I were going that route. > It has a much smaller trunk WAY smaller ... > but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid > stacks up well in your comparison. Except for the biggie safety thing: You can't purchase vehicle stability control w/traction control even as an option on the Hybrid. It's also hundreds of pounds heavier than a regular i4, so I'm afraid it would corner like a pig and would not stop as short. Hmmm. Is the idea of suspension kit for a hybrid an oxymoron? +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably the
new Civic would be a reasonable choice too. "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message news:i81t42t043ssgj6vvicb2dffcqk7jrpbrb@4ax.com... > On 25 Apr 2006 10:16:58 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote: > >> For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that >> should average something like 35 mpg. > > The purchase of a hybrid has been criticized of late as offering a false > economy. CR wrote that you almost can't drive enough miles for it to > make ($$) sense, especially compared to the more parsimonious gasoline > engine cars. But if it gives you a nice big environmental "warm and > fuzzy", I guess that's something ... unless you start looking at the > energy required to manufacture and recycle batteries, etc. > > I guess I would look at a Prius if I were going that route. > >> It has a much smaller trunk > > WAY smaller ... > >> but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid >> stacks up well in your comparison. > > Except for the biggie safety thing: You can't purchase vehicle > stability control w/traction control even as an option on the Hybrid. > > It's also hundreds of pounds heavier than a regular i4, so I'm afraid it > would corner like a pig and would not stop as short. > > Hmmm. Is the idea of suspension kit for a hybrid an oxymoron? > +-----------------------------------------+ > | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | > | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | > | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | > +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably the
new Civic would be a reasonable choice too. "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message news:i81t42t043ssgj6vvicb2dffcqk7jrpbrb@4ax.com... > On 25 Apr 2006 10:16:58 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote: > >> For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that >> should average something like 35 mpg. > > The purchase of a hybrid has been criticized of late as offering a false > economy. CR wrote that you almost can't drive enough miles for it to > make ($$) sense, especially compared to the more parsimonious gasoline > engine cars. But if it gives you a nice big environmental "warm and > fuzzy", I guess that's something ... unless you start looking at the > energy required to manufacture and recycle batteries, etc. > > I guess I would look at a Prius if I were going that route. > >> It has a much smaller trunk > > WAY smaller ... > >> but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid >> stacks up well in your comparison. > > Except for the biggie safety thing: You can't purchase vehicle > stability control w/traction control even as an option on the Hybrid. > > It's also hundreds of pounds heavier than a regular i4, so I'm afraid it > would corner like a pig and would not stop as short. > > Hmmm. Is the idea of suspension kit for a hybrid an oxymoron? > +-----------------------------------------+ > | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | > | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | > | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | > +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably the
new Civic would be a reasonable choice too. "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message news:i81t42t043ssgj6vvicb2dffcqk7jrpbrb@4ax.com... > On 25 Apr 2006 10:16:58 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote: > >> For about $2K more than an I4 Camry you can get the Camry Hybrid that >> should average something like 35 mpg. > > The purchase of a hybrid has been criticized of late as offering a false > economy. CR wrote that you almost can't drive enough miles for it to > make ($$) sense, especially compared to the more parsimonious gasoline > engine cars. But if it gives you a nice big environmental "warm and > fuzzy", I guess that's something ... unless you start looking at the > energy required to manufacture and recycle batteries, etc. > > I guess I would look at a Prius if I were going that route. > >> It has a much smaller trunk > > WAY smaller ... > >> but more HP than the I4 Camry. I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid >> stacks up well in your comparison. > > Except for the biggie safety thing: You can't purchase vehicle > stability control w/traction control even as an option on the Hybrid. > > It's also hundreds of pounds heavier than a regular i4, so I'm afraid it > would corner like a pig and would not stop as short. > > Hmmm. Is the idea of suspension kit for a hybrid an oxymoron? > +-----------------------------------------+ > | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | > | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | > | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | > +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message news:iugs42p9rgq55i7dbi9qu42b98idf3gvf7@4ax.com... > Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features > listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ... > > Traction Control > Stability Control > Emergency Braking Assistance > Electronic Brakeforce Distribution > > (newer Honda LXs have ...) > Rear disks > DRL > > I decided to take a hard look at the Camry LE, versus what I'd have to > buy from Honda to get the features above. I already knew I couldn't get > the features in any LX / Special Edition / Special Value models with a > stick, and because I like a manual transmission, I'd have to go up to > the the EX with V6 and 6M. > > Aside from power and handling, the Accord EX and Camry LE are very > different in character because of differences between the two in > handling, economy, convenience, and comfort, but controlling for as many > factors as possible, the Camry i4/5M LE looks like a heck of a value. > > Beginning in 2007, Toyota includes so many of these features standard > for the Camry that the single "VS" (vehicle stability / traction) option > for $650 gets you all the safety features above. > > That means if you can live with an i4/5M versus a V6/6M, > your MSRP savings for this level of safety is: > > $27,850 V6/6M Honda EX > -20,680 i4/5M Camry (with VS option) > ------ > $ 7,170 or, 34.7 percent less for the Camry LE. > > And if you really have to have the extra power of the V6/6A, the Camry > still wins as the 3.5L produces HP/Torque comparisons of: > > 268HP/248FT-LB, versus > 244HP/211FT-LB for the Accord EX V6/6M > > And better fuel economy, and at MSRP of $24,270 with > the VS option group included, is still $3,580 less than > the EX Accord. > > But this is a digression, since you can't get the V6 Camry with a stick, > (which I want), and don't want the extra horses if it means giving up up > the stick. (If you like automatics, this could an even sweeter deal for > you ...) > The only way I'd give up my stick is if my knees can't physically push down a clutch pedal anymore, haha. as for the safety features, I was suprised honda dind't offer it on the I4. I lot of peopel have made mention that it's not really needed with an I4, but living in new england, I would of liked it. that being said. I still managed to get an I4 EX manual with leather and NAVI for under 25k. It wasn't too bad in the snow either (although we got lucky with a pretty mild winter) I took a look at toyotas site, and I didn't see anyway to get a camry with navigation in a manual transmission. |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message news:iugs42p9rgq55i7dbi9qu42b98idf3gvf7@4ax.com... > Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features > listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ... > > Traction Control > Stability Control > Emergency Braking Assistance > Electronic Brakeforce Distribution > > (newer Honda LXs have ...) > Rear disks > DRL > > I decided to take a hard look at the Camry LE, versus what I'd have to > buy from Honda to get the features above. I already knew I couldn't get > the features in any LX / Special Edition / Special Value models with a > stick, and because I like a manual transmission, I'd have to go up to > the the EX with V6 and 6M. > > Aside from power and handling, the Accord EX and Camry LE are very > different in character because of differences between the two in > handling, economy, convenience, and comfort, but controlling for as many > factors as possible, the Camry i4/5M LE looks like a heck of a value. > > Beginning in 2007, Toyota includes so many of these features standard > for the Camry that the single "VS" (vehicle stability / traction) option > for $650 gets you all the safety features above. > > That means if you can live with an i4/5M versus a V6/6M, > your MSRP savings for this level of safety is: > > $27,850 V6/6M Honda EX > -20,680 i4/5M Camry (with VS option) > ------ > $ 7,170 or, 34.7 percent less for the Camry LE. > > And if you really have to have the extra power of the V6/6A, the Camry > still wins as the 3.5L produces HP/Torque comparisons of: > > 268HP/248FT-LB, versus > 244HP/211FT-LB for the Accord EX V6/6M > > And better fuel economy, and at MSRP of $24,270 with > the VS option group included, is still $3,580 less than > the EX Accord. > > But this is a digression, since you can't get the V6 Camry with a stick, > (which I want), and don't want the extra horses if it means giving up up > the stick. (If you like automatics, this could an even sweeter deal for > you ...) > The only way I'd give up my stick is if my knees can't physically push down a clutch pedal anymore, haha. as for the safety features, I was suprised honda dind't offer it on the I4. I lot of peopel have made mention that it's not really needed with an I4, but living in new england, I would of liked it. that being said. I still managed to get an I4 EX manual with leather and NAVI for under 25k. It wasn't too bad in the snow either (although we got lucky with a pretty mild winter) I took a look at toyotas site, and I didn't see anyway to get a camry with navigation in a manual transmission. |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message news:iugs42p9rgq55i7dbi9qu42b98idf3gvf7@4ax.com... > Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features > listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ... > > Traction Control > Stability Control > Emergency Braking Assistance > Electronic Brakeforce Distribution > > (newer Honda LXs have ...) > Rear disks > DRL > > I decided to take a hard look at the Camry LE, versus what I'd have to > buy from Honda to get the features above. I already knew I couldn't get > the features in any LX / Special Edition / Special Value models with a > stick, and because I like a manual transmission, I'd have to go up to > the the EX with V6 and 6M. > > Aside from power and handling, the Accord EX and Camry LE are very > different in character because of differences between the two in > handling, economy, convenience, and comfort, but controlling for as many > factors as possible, the Camry i4/5M LE looks like a heck of a value. > > Beginning in 2007, Toyota includes so many of these features standard > for the Camry that the single "VS" (vehicle stability / traction) option > for $650 gets you all the safety features above. > > That means if you can live with an i4/5M versus a V6/6M, > your MSRP savings for this level of safety is: > > $27,850 V6/6M Honda EX > -20,680 i4/5M Camry (with VS option) > ------ > $ 7,170 or, 34.7 percent less for the Camry LE. > > And if you really have to have the extra power of the V6/6A, the Camry > still wins as the 3.5L produces HP/Torque comparisons of: > > 268HP/248FT-LB, versus > 244HP/211FT-LB for the Accord EX V6/6M > > And better fuel economy, and at MSRP of $24,270 with > the VS option group included, is still $3,580 less than > the EX Accord. > > But this is a digression, since you can't get the V6 Camry with a stick, > (which I want), and don't want the extra horses if it means giving up up > the stick. (If you like automatics, this could an even sweeter deal for > you ...) > The only way I'd give up my stick is if my knees can't physically push down a clutch pedal anymore, haha. as for the safety features, I was suprised honda dind't offer it on the I4. I lot of peopel have made mention that it's not really needed with an I4, but living in new england, I would of liked it. that being said. I still managed to get an I4 EX manual with leather and NAVI for under 25k. It wasn't too bad in the snow either (although we got lucky with a pretty mild winter) I took a look at toyotas site, and I didn't see anyway to get a camry with navigation in a manual transmission. |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:58 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote: > Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably the > new Civic would be a reasonable choice too. I forgot: Is Accord Hybrid even available with stick? +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:58 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote: > Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably the > new Civic would be a reasonable choice too. I forgot: Is Accord Hybrid even available with stick? +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
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