Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Charles Lasitter wrote:
> snip
>
> Edmunds reports MSRP w/dest of $28,505 and a TMV price of $27,652, still
> $4-7k more than a Camry LE. But it does have the i4/6M, and I'm
> guessing that the ride comfort / cabin noise compares favorably, with
> better handling.
>
Once the price gets near $30K and sport enters into the equation
there's no sense looking at modified FWD grocery getters when great RWD
performance sedans like the G35, IS 250 and 3-series are available.
IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
they're over $25K.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

On 26 Apr 2006 05:08:45 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:

> IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
> they're over $25K.

Agreed.
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Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

On 26 Apr 2006 05:08:45 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:

> IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
> they're over $25K.

Agreed.
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Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

On 26 Apr 2006 05:08:45 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:

> IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
> they're over $25K.

Agreed.
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Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
oil is worthwhile in this application.

There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
check out the V6 Camry.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
oil is worthwhile in this application.

There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
check out the V6 Camry.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
oil is worthwhile in this application.

There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
check out the V6 Camry.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

<jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1146172215.651686.305520@j73g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
significant difference between them I don't know.

>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
cover that corrected the sludge problem.
>
Mike

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

<jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1146172215.651686.305520@j73g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
significant difference between them I don't know.

>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
cover that corrected the sludge problem.
>
Mike

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

<jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1146172215.651686.305520@j73g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
significant difference between them I don't know.

>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
cover that corrected the sludge problem.
>
Mike

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.
>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
> lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.
>
> I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
> check out the V6 Camry.
>

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.
>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
> lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.
>
> I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
> check out the V6 Camry.
>

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.
>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
> lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.
>
> I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
> check out the V6 Camry.
>

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:

>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
design. Fixed years ago.

By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.

>
> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.

5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
between routine oil changes.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:

>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
design. Fixed years ago.

By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.

>
> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.

5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
between routine oil changes.