Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:

>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
design. Fixed years ago.

By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.

>
> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.

5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
between routine oil changes.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

"SoCalMike" <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
>> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
>> oil is worthwhile in this application.
>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
(probably without an oil change):
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

Mike

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

"SoCalMike" <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m86dndTOPte5FszZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
>> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
>> oil is worthwhile in this application.
>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
(probably without an oil change):
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

Mike

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

"SoCalMike" <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m86dndTOPte5FszZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
>> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
>> oil is worthwhile in this application.
>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
(probably without an oil change):
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

Mike

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> >
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
engines from just about every manufacturer.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> >
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
engines from just about every manufacturer.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> >
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
engines from just about every manufacturer.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:
> SoCalMike wrote:
>> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>
>> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
>> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
> Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
> their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
> problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
> design. Fixed years ago.
>
> By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
> 3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.
>
>> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
>> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> 5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
> car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
> interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
> between routine oil changes.
>
the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:
> SoCalMike wrote:
>> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>
>> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
>> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
> Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
> their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
> problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
> design. Fixed years ago.
>
> By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
> 3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.
>
>> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
>> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> 5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
> car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
> interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
> between routine oil changes.
>
the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:
> SoCalMike wrote:
>> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>
>> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
>> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
> Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
> their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
> problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
> design. Fixed years ago.
>
> By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
> 3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.
>
>> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
>> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> 5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
> car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
> interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
> between routine oil changes.
>
the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

awesome! in a scary way, of course.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

awesome! in a scary way, of course.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

awesome! in a scary way, of course.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Charles Lasitter wrote:
> > Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
> > listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
> >
> > Traction Control
> > Stability Control
> > Emergency Braking Assistance
> > Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
> >
>
> I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
> available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.
>
> Anyone looking at well equipped Camrys or Accords should at least check
> out the TSX to see if it is the best choice for you. Acura dealers are
> discounting TSX pretty agressively while the new Camry, especially with
> desireable options, can be harder to find a good discount on due to it's
> newness.
>
> John
Saw a TSX on I 75 a couple of days ago... seems about the size of a Civic.
See very few of them in my area. Understand the car is based on the
European Accord which is supposed to be smaller than the US version. Also,
quite expensive at around 30k.

Re: '06 Accord EX vs '07 Camry LE: Power, Safety & Price
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Sgy3g.373$%N2.363@trnddc08...
> Charles Lasitter wrote:
> > Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
> > listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
> >
> > Traction Control
> > Stability Control
> > Emergency Braking Assistance
> > Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
> >
>
> I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
> available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.
>
> Anyone looking at well equipped Camrys or Accords should at least check
> out the TSX to see if it is the best choice for you. Acura dealers are
> discounting TSX pretty agressively while the new Camry, especially with
> desireable options, can be harder to find a good discount on due to it's
> newness.
>
> John
Saw a TSX on I 75 a couple of days ago... seems about the size of a Civic.
See very few of them in my area. Understand the car is based on the
European Accord which is supposed to be smaller than the US version. Also,
quite expensive at around 30k.