1977 CiViC loses coolant
02-26-2007, 06:34 PM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
"Murray R. Van Luyn" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My bunky is an old '77 Civic 2-door with the blue smoke option pack. It
> appears to be losing coolant and boils after a short time, but there are
> no visible cooling system leaks.
>
> My guess is that it's a corroded aluminium head issue and the leak is into
> one of the cylinders. In that case it's pretty much a terminal situation
> for such an old engine. Does that sound right, or am I overlooking
> something less serious and maybe repairable?
>
I had a '78 Accord which had a pin hole leak in the water jacket in the
intake manifold. This leak produced white smoke and over a period of time
it eventually caused the head gasket to fail. Upon removing the intake
manifold, there was a distinct line of dried up white antifreeze residue
running down the inside of one of the intake runners. Pressure testing the
manifold's water jacket with compressed air in a sink of water confirmed the
leak, air bubbles came out through aluminum runner.
Eric
>
> Hi,
>
> My bunky is an old '77 Civic 2-door with the blue smoke option pack. It
> appears to be losing coolant and boils after a short time, but there are
> no visible cooling system leaks.
>
> My guess is that it's a corroded aluminium head issue and the leak is into
> one of the cylinders. In that case it's pretty much a terminal situation
> for such an old engine. Does that sound right, or am I overlooking
> something less serious and maybe repairable?
>
I had a '78 Accord which had a pin hole leak in the water jacket in the
intake manifold. This leak produced white smoke and over a period of time
it eventually caused the head gasket to fail. Upon removing the intake
manifold, there was a distinct line of dried up white antifreeze residue
running down the inside of one of the intake runners. Pressure testing the
manifold's water jacket with compressed air in a sink of water confirmed the
leak, air bubbles came out through aluminum runner.
Eric
02-26-2007, 06:37 PM
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1977 CiViC loses coolant
Hi,
My bunky is an old '77 Civic 2-door with the blue smoke option pack. It
appears to be losing coolant and boils after a short time, but there are no
visible cooling system leaks.
My guess is that it's a corroded aluminium head issue and the leak is into
one of the cylinders. In that case it's pretty much a terminal situation for
such an old engine. Does that sound right, or am I overlooking something
less serious and maybe repairable?
Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
--
32°02'14.23"S 115°53'21.30"E
http://www.review-a-gadget.com/
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
My bunky is an old '77 Civic 2-door with the blue smoke option pack. It
appears to be losing coolant and boils after a short time, but there are no
visible cooling system leaks.
My guess is that it's a corroded aluminium head issue and the leak is into
one of the cylinders. In that case it's pretty much a terminal situation for
such an old engine. Does that sound right, or am I overlooking something
less serious and maybe repairable?
Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
--
32°02'14.23"S 115°53'21.30"E
http://www.review-a-gadget.com/
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
02-27-2007, 07:12 AM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
"Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in
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> Hi Eric,
>
> Thanks for relating your experience. I haven't seen any white smoke
> from my exhaust as you had encountered, but it's been running very
> rough for a few minutes after start-up. I guess aluminium heads and
> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
> vulnerability.
No they don't.
--
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news:45e3e12a$0$5419$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
> Hi Eric,
>
> Thanks for relating your experience. I haven't seen any white smoke
> from my exhaust as you had encountered, but it's been running very
> rough for a few minutes after start-up. I guess aluminium heads and
> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
> vulnerability.
No they don't.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
02-27-2007, 07:46 PM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
Hi Eric,
Thanks for relating your experience. I haven't seen any white smoke from my
exhaust as you had encountered, but it's been running very rough for a few
minutes after start-up. I guess aluminium heads and manifolds just have a
finite lifetime in terms of coolant vulnerability.
Probably time I started looking for a replacement. I wonder if these Honda
Jazz sedans are much good?
Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
--
32°02'14.23"S 115°53'21.30"E
http://www.review-a-gadget.com/
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:45E36EA1.6B204FC0@spam.now...
> "Murray R. Van Luyn" wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My bunky is an old '77 Civic 2-door with the blue smoke option pack. It
>> appears to be losing coolant and boils after a short time, but there are
>> no visible cooling system leaks.
>>
>> My guess is that it's a corroded aluminium head issue and the leak is
>> into
>> one of the cylinders. In that case it's pretty much a terminal situation
>> for such an old engine. Does that sound right, or am I overlooking
>> something less serious and maybe repairable?
>>
>
> I had a '78 Accord which had a pin hole leak in the water jacket in the
> intake manifold. This leak produced white smoke and over a period of time
> it eventually caused the head gasket to fail. Upon removing the intake
> manifold, there was a distinct line of dried up white antifreeze residue
> running down the inside of one of the intake runners. Pressure testing
> the
> manifold's water jacket with compressed air in a sink of water confirmed
> the
> leak, air bubbles came out through aluminum runner.
>
> Eric
Thanks for relating your experience. I haven't seen any white smoke from my
exhaust as you had encountered, but it's been running very rough for a few
minutes after start-up. I guess aluminium heads and manifolds just have a
finite lifetime in terms of coolant vulnerability.
Probably time I started looking for a replacement. I wonder if these Honda
Jazz sedans are much good?
Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
--
32°02'14.23"S 115°53'21.30"E
http://www.review-a-gadget.com/
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:45E36EA1.6B204FC0@spam.now...
> "Murray R. Van Luyn" wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My bunky is an old '77 Civic 2-door with the blue smoke option pack. It
>> appears to be losing coolant and boils after a short time, but there are
>> no visible cooling system leaks.
>>
>> My guess is that it's a corroded aluminium head issue and the leak is
>> into
>> one of the cylinders. In that case it's pretty much a terminal situation
>> for such an old engine. Does that sound right, or am I overlooking
>> something less serious and maybe repairable?
>>
>
> I had a '78 Accord which had a pin hole leak in the water jacket in the
> intake manifold. This leak produced white smoke and over a period of time
> it eventually caused the head gasket to fail. Upon removing the intake
> manifold, there was a distinct line of dried up white antifreeze residue
> running down the inside of one of the intake runners. Pressure testing
> the
> manifold's water jacket with compressed air in a sink of water confirmed
> the
> leak, air bubbles came out through aluminum runner.
>
> Eric
02-27-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
"Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:45e4da21
$0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>> vulnerability.
>>
>>
>>
>> No they don't.
>>
>
> Yes, either they are.
>
What?
--
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$0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>> vulnerability.
>>
>>
>>
>> No they don't.
>>
>
> Yes, either they are.
>
What?
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
02-27-2007, 10:19 PM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
Murray R. Van Luyn wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns98E4D45E2CF50tegger@207.14.116.130...
>> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:45e4da21
>> $0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>>
>>>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>>>> vulnerability.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No they don't.
>>>>
>>> Yes, either they are.
>>>
>>
>> What?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
>
> Or have they as well? No, I agree.
>
>
>
I want some of what you're smoking!
:0)
a
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:45e4da21
>> $0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>>
>>>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>>>> vulnerability.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No they don't.
>>>>
>>> Yes, either they are.
>>>
>>
>> What?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
>
> Or have they as well? No, I agree.
>
>
>
I want some of what you're smoking!
:0)
a
02-28-2007, 01:28 PM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in
> news:45e3e12a$0$5419$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> Thanks for relating your experience. I haven't seen any white smoke
>> from my exhaust as you had encountered, but it's been running very
>> rough for a few minutes after start-up. I guess aluminium heads and
>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>> vulnerability.
>
>
>
> No they don't.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
Yes, either they are.
--
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news:Xns98E4492D53C21tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in
> news:45e3e12a$0$5419$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> Thanks for relating your experience. I haven't seen any white smoke
>> from my exhaust as you had encountered, but it's been running very
>> rough for a few minutes after start-up. I guess aluminium heads and
>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>> vulnerability.
>
>
>
> No they don't.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
Yes, either they are.
--
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02-28-2007, 02:58 PM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:45e4da21
> $0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>
>>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>>> vulnerability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No they don't.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, either they are.
>>
>
>
> What?
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
Or have they as well? No, I agree.
news:Xns98E4D45E2CF50tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:45e4da21
> $0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>
>>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>>> vulnerability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No they don't.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, either they are.
>>
>
>
> What?
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
Or have they as well? No, I agree.
02-28-2007, 06:56 PM
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"Andrew" <a@a.ca> wrote in message news:sx6Fh.767$Xi2.742@edtnps89...
> Murray R. Van Luyn wrote:
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns98E4D45E2CF50tegger@207.14.116.130...
>>> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in
>>> news:45e4da21
>>> $0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>>>
>>>>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>>>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>>>>> vulnerability.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No they don't.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, either they are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>>
>> Or have they as well? No, I agree.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I want some of what you're smoking!
>
> :0)
>
> a
Um, um, um...I did it!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluyn...RTR_Review.php
> Murray R. Van Luyn wrote:
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns98E4D45E2CF50tegger@207.14.116.130...
>>> "Murray R. Van Luyn" <vanluynm@NOSPAM.iinet.net.au> wrote in
>>> news:45e4da21
>>> $0$11534$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>>>
>>>>>> I guess aluminium heads and
>>>>>> manifolds just have a finite lifetime in terms of coolant
>>>>>> vulnerability.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No they don't.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, either they are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>>
>> Or have they as well? No, I agree.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I want some of what you're smoking!
>
> :0)
>
> a
Um, um, um...I did it!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluyn...RTR_Review.php
03-01-2007, 06:19 AM
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Re: 1977 CiViC loses coolant
| no visible cooling system leaks.
1 can put a big & thick rubber washer into radiator ( when
cool ) cap's socket, use a 60 ml syringe to pump air into
radiator to create pressure, then a leak can be noticeable
if fluid is seen / felt @ any joint.
www.aa1car.com/library/overheat.htm
1 can put a big & thick rubber washer into radiator ( when
cool ) cap's socket, use a 60 ml syringe to pump air into
radiator to create pressure, then a leak can be noticeable
if fluid is seen / felt @ any joint.
www.aa1car.com/library/overheat.htm
03-02-2007, 12:24 AM
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Thanks for the link TE. Seems there are a few things I need to consider. I
know the electric thermatic fan doesn't work, but it hardly ever came on
except at traffic lights when it was working. Maybe I should investigate
that further, take a more serious look at the the thermostat, check the
timing, and then ultimately see about some form of pressure test.
Gee, I hope it is something simple. I've been nursing the poor old thing for
years now, and I would hate to ever see it put down.
Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
--
32°02'14.23"S 115°53'21.30"E
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"TE Chea" <4ws@gmail.com> wrote in message news:45e6bb64_2@news.tm.net.my...
>| no visible cooling system leaks.
>
> 1 can put a big & thick rubber washer into radiator ( when
> cool ) cap's socket, use a 60 ml syringe to pump air into
> radiator to create pressure, then a leak can be noticeable
> if fluid is seen / felt @ any joint.
> www.aa1car.com/library/overheat.htm
>
>
know the electric thermatic fan doesn't work, but it hardly ever came on
except at traffic lights when it was working. Maybe I should investigate
that further, take a more serious look at the the thermostat, check the
timing, and then ultimately see about some form of pressure test.
Gee, I hope it is something simple. I've been nursing the poor old thing for
years now, and I would hate to ever see it put down.
Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
--
32°02'14.23"S 115°53'21.30"E
http://www.review-a-gadget.com/
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
"TE Chea" <4ws@gmail.com> wrote in message news:45e6bb64_2@news.tm.net.my...
>| no visible cooling system leaks.
>
> 1 can put a big & thick rubber washer into radiator ( when
> cool ) cap's socket, use a 60 ml syringe to pump air into
> radiator to create pressure, then a leak can be noticeable
> if fluid is seen / felt @ any joint.
> www.aa1car.com/library/overheat.htm
>
>
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