Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
"jack42038" <jacklarwa@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:23c433a5-567e-4eee-a481-f4c5c0e7a028@m4g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... > > Have you rebuilt any engines Michael? Or reringed any pistons? > Only once,on a 1970 Volvo. The engine had suffered a lot of detonation so the rebuild was actually slightly more expensive than a short block would have been - I think it cost me about $50 more than the short block by the time I was done, and I didn't even change the oil pump. :-( Every cylinder had at least one broken compression ring (from the detonation, I'm sure) and there was a channel torched in one cylinder where the ring was broken. I had to have the block bored and had to buy new pistons and rings. Fitting the rings was a minor experience but nothing special. Each ring had to be test fitted, checked for width of the gap, and the end filed until the gap was as specified. It was more tedious than adventurous. I share TeGGer's concern about trying to rebuild a modern engine. The B18 I was working on was straight bored; I understand more recent engines are bored with a dummy head fitted so the distortion produced when the head is torqued down is taken into account in the boring and even the honing. In any case, older engines were pretty used up at 200K miles while newer ones make 300K or more if reasonably cared for. There are probably more reasons than I know. Mike |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
"Michael Pardee" <null@null.org> wrote in
news:tt6dncheB6COGdTUnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@sedona.net: > > I share TeGGer's concern about trying to rebuild a modern engine. My concern was trying to hone the bores in-situ, which is what I gathered the OP wanted to do. > The > B18 I was working on was straight bored; I understand more recent > engines are bored with a dummy head fitted so the distortion produced > when the head is torqued down is taken into account in the boring and > even the honing. Apparently that's not as necessary with Honda's open-deck blocks. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Dec 17, 4:58 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote:
> "jack42038" <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:23c433a5-567e-4eee-a481-f4c5c0e7a028@m4g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Have you rebuilt any engines Michael? Or reringed any pistons? > > Only once,on a 1970 Volvo. The engine had suffered a lot of detonation so > the rebuild was actually slightly more expensive than a short block would > have been - I think it cost me about $50 more than the short block by the > time I was done, and I didn't even change the oil pump. :-( Every > cylinder had at least one broken compression ring (from the detonation, I'm > sure) and there was a channel torched in one cylinder where the ring was > broken. I had to have the block bored and had to buy new pistons and rings. > Fitting the rings was a minor experience but nothing special. Each ring had > to be test fitted, checked for width of the gap, and the end filed until the > gap was as specified. It was more tedious than adventurous. > > I share TeGGer's concern about trying to rebuild a modern engine. The B18I > was working on was straight bored; I understand more recent engines are > bored with a dummy head fitted so the distortion produced when the head is > torqued down is taken into account in the boring and even the honing. In any > case, older engines were pretty used up at 200K miles while newer ones make > 300K or more if reasonably cared for. There are probably more reasons than I > know. > > Mike I actually read an article earlier about people using Easy Off on aluminium heads to clean the carbon deposits. Maybe that wasn't so crazy after all. Obviously it would mean an oil change and I would probably have to rinse out the cylinder with gasoline because water would cause it's own problems. Again, maybe that will be a last resort. I watched the valves come down today for a while as my son bumped the ignition with the coil and injector disengaged. From what little I could see through the hole it certainly didn't look like the intake valves were even as they came down. One was above the other. Is that the way it is supposed to be? Is there a way of adjusting that without taking the head off? Pictures would be good here if you have any. Peace! Jack |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Dec 17, 9:15 am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "jack42038" <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote > Here is the link for the engines on eBay. I believe they > answered the > phone "Beaver". The have a computer operated voice mail and > seem to > be quite professional. Though the young man that I spoke to > said he > didn't have any idea about swaps for these "older" engines. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m&item=2000404.... > ------------- > > Interesting. Are you close enough to this ebay seller to > actually pick up the engine? Three things I would do > > 1. Ask if they have any documentation for the mileage on > their engines. > 2. Ask at honda-tech.com (a) if anyone knows this seller; > and (b) other sellers people can recommend. Registration is > free. Honda-tech.com is overwhelmingly teens and > 20-somethings that are serious hobbyists particularly in the > area of engine swaps. > 3. Search the net for other Accord engine sellers. E.g. a > search I just did turned uphttp://www.actionsalvage.com/Engine/used-engine-honda.asp#Honda_Accor... > > I echo Tegger's caveats about buying a used engine. I am in far Western Kentucky and they are in South Carolina. I wouldnt mind the drive this summer, but right now it is a little far and a little cold. They guarantee them and do keep records of mileage and VIN numbers. Sounded like a reputable place known for Honda parts. Believe it or not, eBay has an honest soul or two. Peace! Jack |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
"jack42038" <jacklarwa@yahoo.com> wrote
I am in far Western Kentucky and they are in South Carolina. I wouldnt mind the drive this summer, but right now it is a little far and a little cold. They guarantee them and do keep records of mileage and VIN numbers. Sounded like a reputable place known for Honda parts. Believe it or not, eBay has an honest soul or two. ---- I am still curious about why their engines are so inexpensive compared to all else I have seen so far on the net. I buy from Ebay often and have had maybe one sour transaction out of a few dozen to date. I too am following your engine cleaning efforts, though. Good luck. |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Dec 18, 7:12 am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "jack42038" <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote > I am in far Western Kentucky and they are in South Carolina. > I > wouldnt mind the drive this summer, but right now it is a > little far > and a little cold. They guarantee them and do keep records > of mileage > and VIN numbers. Sounded like a reputable place known for > Honda > parts. Believe it or not, eBay has an honest soul or two. > ---- > > I am still curious about why their engines are so > inexpensive compared to all else I have seen so far on the > net. I buy from Ebay often and have had maybe one sour > transaction out of a few dozen to date. > > I too am following your engine cleaning efforts, though. > Good luck. Could be shear volume, the economy and the fact that they require you to come and get it. I will inquire further at Honda-Tech. I joined yesterday. Thanks. Jack BTW what is OP?? |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Dec 18, 1:38 am, jack42038 <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 4:58 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote: > > > > > "jack42038" <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >news:23c433a5-567e-4eee-a481-f4c5c0e7a028@m4g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... > > > > Have you rebuilt any engines Michael? Or reringed any pistons? > > > Only once,on a 1970 Volvo. The engine had suffered a lot of detonation so > > the rebuild was actually slightly more expensive than a short block would > > have been - I think it cost me about $50 more than the short block by the > > time I was done, and I didn't even change the oil pump. :-( Every > > cylinder had at least one broken compression ring (from the detonation,I'm > > sure) and there was a channel torched in one cylinder where the ring was > > broken. I had to have the block bored and had to buy new pistons and rings. > > Fitting the rings was a minor experience but nothing special. Each ringhad > > to be test fitted, checked for width of the gap, and the end filed until the > > gap was as specified. It was more tedious than adventurous. > > > I share TeGGer's concern about trying to rebuild a modern engine. The B18 I > > was working on was straight bored; I understand more recent engines are > > bored with a dummy head fitted so the distortion produced when the headis > > torqued down is taken into account in the boring and even the honing. In any > > case, older engines were pretty used up at 200K miles while newer ones make > > 300K or more if reasonably cared for. There are probably more reasons than I > > know. > > > Mike > > I actually read an article earlier about people using Easy Off on > aluminium heads to clean the carbon deposits. Maybe that wasn't so > crazy after all. Obviously it would mean an oil change and I would > probably have to rinse out the cylinder with gasoline because water > would cause it's own problems. Again, maybe that will be a last > resort. > > I watched the valves come down today for a while as my son bumped the > ignition with the coil and injector disengaged. From what little I > could see through the hole it certainly didn't look like the intake > valves were even as they came down. One was above the other. Is that > the way it is supposed to be? Is there a way of adjusting that > without taking the head off? Pictures would be good here if you have > any. > > Peace! > Jack Okay, here's another crazy one. My dad tells me that in carburetor engines they would use a little water when the butterfly was open and the engine was warmed up to clean carbon out of the engine. It would not go into the oil at all, it would simply clean the carbon out of the combustion chamber. Worked like a charm he said. The FI system is pretty much closed during combustion except through the air intake. Has anyone ever heard of or tried that?? BTW my dad is only 69, and still in charge of his faculties, so I know he's not too old to know what he is talking about. AAMOF, I don't know many people that are too old to know what they are talking about. Peace! Jack |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
"jack42038" <jacklarwa@yahoo.com> wrote
> BTW what is OP?? OP is "original poster," meaning the person (= poster) who originated the thread. Clarification: I meant that I too generally trust Ebay, especially after checking the seller's reliability rating and reports. You certainly may be right about why the engines are so cheap with this SC dealer. Maybe too these engines are not in high demand? I was curious to see whether the ebay seller you linked before sold other engines. I did not see any Civic engines for sale at all. I could be wrong, but it seems he has exactly one Accord engine for your year. Then my concern would be if it fails you get to haul it back for a refund, according to the seller's statement on engine sales. Still, it may be a good gamble. Has the seller said how many miles are on this engine? Good to hear you are trying honda-tech. It may shed more light on options for used engines. |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
"Elle" <honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote
> I was curious to see whether the ebay seller you linked > before sold other engines. I did not see any Civic engines > for sale at all. Correction: I saw none for 88-2000 Civics. He does have a couple of 2001-05 Civic engines right now. |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Dec 18, 10:01 am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Elle" <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote > > > I was curious to see whether the ebay seller you linked > > before sold other engines. I did not see any Civic engines > > for sale at all. > > Correction: I saw none for 88-2000 Civics. He does have a > couple of 2001-05 Civic engines right now. Thanks for defining OP. I wondered what it meant. When I talked to the South Carolina Honda Place on the phone it sounded like he could sell them all day and I could get whatever I wanted. The one I called him about had 98,000 on it. There was also one on the site you sent me to that had 100,000 for 455 dollars. It may seem like quite a range, but they are both in what I would call the "cheap" category for an engine. However, I saw a 1997 AJ16 for a Jaguar XJ6 on ebay for $189 from a seller with 50,000 feedback. That engine usually runs for 4000 from a Jag wrecker. The reason for the low price was that nobody is in the market for a jag anything these days. For those of us who do our own work on them, it is a boon. For those with parts to sell, they just want to move them. Does that make as much sense to you as it does to me??? Peace! Jack |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
"jack42038" <jacklarwa@yahoo.com> wrote
When I talked to the South Carolina Honda Place on the phone it sounded like he could sell them all day and I could get whatever I wanted. The one I called him about had 98,000 on it. There was also one on the site you sent me to that had 100,000 for 455 dollars. It may seem like quite a range, but they are both in what I would call the "cheap" category for an engine. However, I saw a 1997 AJ16 for a Jaguar XJ6 on ebay for $189 from a seller with 50,000 feedback. That engine usually runs for 4000 from a Jag wrecker. The reason for the low price was that nobody is in the market for a jag anything these days. For those of us who do our own work on them, it is a boon. For those with parts to sell, they just want to move them. Does that make as much sense to you as it does to me??? ------------------- Absolutely. If you are in the "serial automotive hobbyist" category, then we are on the same page. I am just not as advanced as Mr. Pardee, others here, and the doggone kids at hond-tech when it comes to breaking down and swapping engines. Installing a Honda engine is on my bucket list, though. :-) BTW, do not mention that jag engine at honda-tech.com. Some teenager will go buy it and somehow get it working in his 1989 Civic CRX and launch himself to the moon. |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
"jack42038" <jacklarwa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:90d99c17-7ece-4498-8251-f3aa2ba6bc6d@v42g2000yqv.googlegroups.com... On Dec 17, 4:58 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote: I watched the valves come down today for a while as my son bumped the ignition with the coil and injector disengaged. From what little I could see through the hole it certainly didn't look like the intake valves were even as they came down. One was above the other. Is that the way it is supposed to be? Is there a way of adjusting that without taking the head off? Pictures would be good here if you have any. Peace! Jack ================================================== = My thinking at this point is that you had good compression with oil, so fretting about the valves may be borrowing trouble. Let's shelve this unless/until an oil-added test still doesn't give good compression. Mike |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Dec 18, 10:20 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote:
> "jack42038" <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:90d99c17-7ece-4498-8251-f3aa2ba6bc6d@v42g2000yqv.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 17, 4:58 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote: > > I watched the valves come down today for a while as my son bumped the > ignition with the coil and injector disengaged. From what little I > could see through the hole it certainly didn't look like the intake > valves were even as they came down. One was above the other. Is that > the way it is supposed to be? Is there a way of adjusting that > without taking the head off? Pictures would be good here if you have > any. > > Peace! > Jack > > ================================================== = > > My thinking at this point is that you had good compression with oil, so > fretting about the valves may be borrowing trouble. Let's shelve this > unless/until an oil-added test still doesn't give good compression. > > Mike Good logic. |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Dec 19, 12:23 am, jack42038 <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 10:20 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote: > > > > > "jack42038" <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >news:90d99c17-7ece-4498-8251-f3aa2ba6bc6d@v42g2000yqv.googlegroups.com.... > > On Dec 17, 4:58 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote: > > > I watched the valves come down today for a while as my son bumped the > > ignition with the coil and injector disengaged. From what little I > > could see through the hole it certainly didn't look like the intake > > valves were even as they came down. One was above the other. Is that > > the way it is supposed to be? Is there a way of adjusting that > > without taking the head off? Pictures would be good here if you have > > any. > > > Peace! > > Jack > > > ================================================== = > > > My thinking at this point is that you had good compression with oil, so > > fretting about the valves may be borrowing trouble. Let's shelve this > > unless/until an oil-added test still doesn't give good compression. > > > Mike > > Good logic. Ok, the oil added test got me up to 120 today, but for a brief period afterwards, and I mean just about 10 minutes, I had coolant leaking from the exhaust. It is not leaking from the exhaust anymore, but what the heck was that from? My son ran it in the lot next door for an hour and there was no steam or anything coming from the exhaust, he is still trying to learn how to drive a stick. Can you say "bunny hop"? Did I open up a problem with the head gasket while trying to determine the pressure on the first cylinder? I think there may be a gremlin in my car. |
Re: 1986 Honda Accord LXI, FI 2.0
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:30:23 -0800, jack42038 wrote:
> On Dec 19, 12:23 am, jack42038 <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Dec 18, 10:20 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> > "jack42038" <jackla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:90d99c17-7ece-4498-8251- f3aa2ba6bc6d@v42g2000yqv.googlegroups.com... >> > On Dec 17, 4:58 pm, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote: >> >> > I watched the valves come down today for a while as my son bumped the >> > ignition with the coil and injector disengaged. From what little I >> > could see through the hole it certainly didn't look like the intake >> > valves were even as they came down. One was above the other. Is >> > that the way it is supposed to be? Is there a way of adjusting that >> > without taking the head off? Pictures would be good here if you have >> > any. >> >> > Peace! >> > Jack >> >> > ================================================== = >> >> > My thinking at this point is that you had good compression with oil, >> > so fretting about the valves may be borrowing trouble. Let's shelve >> > this unless/until an oil-added test still doesn't give good >> > compression. >> >> > Mike >> >> Good logic. > > Ok, the oil added test got me up to 120 today, but for a brief period > afterwards, and I mean just about 10 minutes, I had coolant leaking from > the exhaust. so there's your compression problem. run your tests again, but this time, observe the coolant system and look for bubbles. > It is not leaking from the exhaust anymore, but what the > heck was that from? My son ran it in the lot next door for an hour and > there was no steam or anything coming from the exhaust, he is still > trying to learn how to drive a stick. Can you say "bunny hop"? Did I > open up a problem with the head gasket while trying to determine the > pressure on the first cylinder? > > I think there may be a gremlin in my car. |
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