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1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
I have a 1990 honda crx dx 1.5 auto
The car is stock with no modifications I have done a lot trying to get it to run so I will list all I can. The car died on me while driving it ... sputtered to a stop. After putting a new coil in it I did get it to start for about 2 minutes running really rough I am not sure if I fried the new coil but it will not restart. It is the last thing I tried other then recharging the battery which is good. This is my main transportation and I am really stumped, somewhat stranded and without resources to dump parts in it that may just endup getting fried I really appreciate your help if you can point me in the right direction Things I have done and checked. - I get 1 blink on my ECU battery has been out and still one blink after so it must have reset. - Check engine light comes on then goes off after 3 seconds. - Fuel Pump is Good pumping Hard - Main Relay Checked with Ohm Meter all three steps - good - Replaced the Cap & Rotor - Replaced the wires - Replaced the Igniter - Replaced the Coil - Spark plugs not fowled look Gray - Battery is Good - Engine Ground Strap installed Seems Good - Alternator is Good and Turns Free cant really test output - Checked all my fuses they all seem good Replaced a few with spares - I get power to the Coil with Ignition On - I get power through the coil to the igniter - Engine cranks Starter is good - Rotor Turns in Distributor - Timing Belt Good - TDC Lines Up with Crank Mark and #1 Spark Plug Wire - Engine Turns Free with socket wrench - Ignition switch - does crank the starter and I get voltage to the Distributor That is about all I can think of so far. looking at the wire diagrams I am not sure why it would not at least start. Are there any inline resistors or anything that would do this? Thanks |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in
news:hbu14s$21fs$1@news.telesweet.net: > I have a 1990 honda crx dx 1.5 auto > The car is stock with no modifications > I have done a lot trying to get it to run so I will list all I can. > > The car died on me while driving it ... sputtered to a stop. > > After putting a new coil in it I did get it to start for about 2 > minutes running really rough I am not sure if I fried the new coil but > it will not restart. When you crank and the engine will not start, does the tach needle jiggle ever so slightly, or is it dead-still? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
When I turn the ignition to On the tach goes to 500 rpm
When the engine is cranking I don't see any real movement Ignitor is new "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9CAE567D5F92tegger@208.90.168.18... > <CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in > news:hbu14s$21fs$1@news.telesweet.net: > >> I have a 1990 honda crx dx 1.5 auto >> The car is stock with no modifications >> I have done a lot trying to get it to run so I will list all I can. >> >> The car died on me while driving it ... sputtered to a stop. >> >> After putting a new coil in it I did get it to start for about 2 >> minutes running really rough I am not sure if I fried the new coil but >> it will not restart. > > > > When you crank and the engine will not start, does the tach needle jiggle > ever so slightly, or is it dead-still? > > > > -- > Tegger > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hbvasb$8gs$1@news.telesweet.net:
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9CAE567D5F92tegger@208.90.168.18... >> <CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in >> news:hbu14s$21fs$1@news.telesweet.net: >> >>> I have a 1990 honda crx dx 1.5 auto >>> The car is stock with no modifications >>> I have done a lot trying to get it to run so I will list all I can. >>> >>> The car died on me while driving it ... sputtered to a stop. >>> >>> After putting a new coil in it I did get it to start for about 2 >>> minutes running really rough I am not sure if I fried the new coil >>> but it will not restart. >> >> >> >> When you crank and the engine will not start, does the tach needle >> jiggle ever so slightly, or is it dead-still? >> >> >> > > > When I turn the ignition to On the tach goes to 500 rpm > When the engine is cranking I don't see any real movement > > Ignitor is new > > And aftermarket, I'll bet. I'll also bet your new igniter is bad. When cranking you don't see any "real" movement of the needle, or you don't see **ANY** movement? Does the tach drop to 0 when you start to crank? Please be precise. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
Just went out and tried starting it
RPM guage goes to just over 500 with key on stays there while cranking Think the cam position sensor is bad? ALSO the other day just before i put the Coil in I had the Main Relay out to test it It tested ok with battery voltage but do you think it could be an intermitant failure? I get no spark but do get fuel Think direct battery voltage to it or bumping it may have got it to work once and then fail again? Does the main relay give a signal to the ecu -> then ecu to the ignitor to tell it to fire? also i put the heat sink jell between the ignitor and the small metal part that it attaches (Heatsink i guess) to did i need to put any between the metal part and the distributor housing? Yes its a aftermarket borgwarner ignitor I believe i replaced it for no good reason and the old one was good but i dont know "Tegger" >>>> I have a 1990 honda crx dx 1.5 auto >>>> The car is stock with no modifications >>>> I have done a lot trying to get it to run so I will list all I can. >>>> >>>> The car died on me while driving it ... sputtered to a stop. >>>> >>>> After putting a new coil in it I did get it to start for about 2 >>>> minutes running really rough I am not sure if I fried the new coil >>>> but it will not restart. > > And aftermarket, I'll bet. I'll also bet your new igniter is bad. > > When cranking you don't see any "real" movement of the needle, or you > don't > see **ANY** movement? Does the tach drop to 0 when you start to crank? > > > Please be precise. > > > -- > Tegger > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hbvggm$e00$1@news.telesweet.net:
> "Tegger" wrote: > > >> I'll also bet your new igniter is bad. >> >> >> When cranking you don't see any "real" movement of the needle, or you >> don't >> see **ANY** movement? Does the tach drop to 0 when you start to >> crank? >> > > > Just went out and tried starting it > > RPM guage goes to just over 500 with key on > stays there while cranking > > Think the cam position sensor is bad? No. The igniter has failed and was likely defective out-of-the-box, which is common for aftermarket garbage. The tach gets its signal from the igniter's blue wire. That wire gets a pulse every time the igniter produces a coil-trigger signal. If your tach gets stuck at 500, then the igniter is putting out spurious signals. Go to a wrecking yard and pick up an OEM igniter for much cheaper than your crappy aftermarket one. > > ALSO > the other day just before i put the Coil in > I had the Main Relay out to test it > It tested ok with battery voltage but do you think it could be an > intermitant failure? Not in this case. The tach's behavior is the giveaway here. > I get no spark but do get fuel > Think direct battery voltage to it or bumping it may have got it to > work once and then fail again? > > > Does the main relay give a signal to the ecu -> then ecu to the > ignitor to tell it to fire? No. The igniter is totally separate from the Main Relay. In your car, fuel delivery is totally separate from ignition. > > also i put the heat sink jell between the ignitor and the small metal > part that it attaches (Heatsink i guess) to did i need to put any > between the metal part and the distributor housing? You put heat-sink compound under the igniter before bolting it in place. > > Yes its a aftermarket borgwarner ignitor > I believe i replaced it for no good reason and the old one was good > but i dont know If you still have the old igniter, then put it back in as an experiment. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
Ok thats kinda hard to believe but you seem to know about these things have
been reading your howtos Is there a way I can bench test the igniter? Is there something that would burn out an ignitor that i should check for? There is really no good junkyards here most places just send cars off to be crushed but maybe i can find something... Could a parts place or dealer test it. I got a dealer about 40 miles away I could probably scam a ride down there but the closest decent junkyard is well over 100 >> "Tegger" wrote: >> > No. The igniter has failed and was likely defective out-of-the-box, > which is common for aftermarket garbage. > > The tach gets its signal from the igniter's blue wire. That wire gets a > pulse every time the igniter produces a coil-trigger signal. If your > tach gets stuck at 500, then the igniter is putting out spurious > signals. > > Go to a wrecking yard and pick up an OEM igniter for much cheaper than > your crappy aftermarket one. > |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in
news:hc0av8$16o0$1@news.telesweet.net: > >>> "Tegger" wrote: >>> >> No. The igniter has failed and was likely defective out-of-the-box, >> which is common for aftermarket garbage. >> >> The tach gets its signal from the igniter's blue wire. That wire gets >> a pulse every time the igniter produces a coil-trigger signal. If >> your tach gets stuck at 500, then the igniter is putting out spurious >> signals. >> >> Go to a wrecking yard and pick up an OEM igniter for much cheaper >> than your crappy aftermarket one. >> > > > > > Ok thats kinda hard to believe but you seem to know about these things > have been reading your howtos Then you haven't got much experience with aftermarket parts, I think. Aftermarket has a very high likelihood of being defective right off the bat. That's why I never use aftermarket. > > Is there a way I can bench test the igniter? There sure is. Lots of resources here: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...tml#badigniter > Is there something that would burn out an ignitor that i should check > for? Pretty much the only thing that wrecks an igniter is defective build quality. And there's nothing you can do about that. > > There is really no good junkyards here most places just send cars off > to be crushed but maybe i can find something... > Could a parts place or dealer test it. > I got a dealer about 40 miles away I could probably scam a ride down > there > > but the closest decent junkyard is well over 100 THEN PUT YOUR OLD IGNITER BACK IN AS A TEST. Or did you toss it already? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
I have my old ignitor
I will try the test on it and pop it back in tomorrow see what happens > > THEN PUT YOUR OLD IGNITER BACK IN AS A TEST. Or did you toss it already? > > > -- > Tegger > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
><CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hbvggm$e00$1@news.telesweet.net: > > >> "Tegger" wrote: >> >> >>> I'll also bet your new igniter is bad. >>> >>> >>> When cranking you don't see any "real" movement of the needle, or you >>> don't >>> see **ANY** movement? Does the tach drop to 0 when you start to >>> crank? >>> >> >> >> Just went out and tried starting it >> >> RPM guage goes to just over 500 with key on >> stays there while cranking >> >> Think the cam position sensor is bad? > > > >No. The igniter has failed and was likely defective out-of-the-box, >which is common for aftermarket garbage. > >The tach gets its signal from the igniter's blue wire. That wire gets a >pulse every time the igniter produces a coil-trigger signal. If your >tach gets stuck at 500, then the igniter is putting out spurious >signals. > >Go to a wrecking yard and pick up an OEM igniter for much cheaper than >your crappy aftermarket one. One can still find some NIB parts for cars that old. I have found NIB parts for my 76 MGB. > > > >> >> ALSO >> the other day just before i put the Coil in >> I had the Main Relay out to test it >> It tested ok with battery voltage but do you think it could be an >> intermitant failure? > > > >Not in this case. The tach's behavior is the giveaway here. > > > > >> I get no spark but do get fuel >> Think direct battery voltage to it or bumping it may have got it to >> work once and then fail again? >> >> >> Does the main relay give a signal to the ecu -> then ecu to the >> ignitor to tell it to fire? > > > >No. The igniter is totally separate from the Main Relay. > >In your car, fuel delivery is totally separate from ignition. > > > >> >> also i put the heat sink jell between the ignitor and the small metal >> part that it attaches (Heatsink i guess) to did i need to put any >> between the metal part and the distributor housing? > > > >You put heat-sink compound under the igniter before bolting it in place. > > > >> >> Yes its a aftermarket borgwarner ignitor >> I believe i replaced it for no good reason and the old one was good >> but i dont know > > > >If you still have the old igniter, then put it back in as an experiment. > -- - dillon I am not invalid "Always shoot first. At the very least you'll distract the guy enough to make the second one count" -- Lazurus Long |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:bov9e516qn8vjtbvv5aj1shcvq9um6nmqs@4ax.com: > Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> : > >> >>Go to a wrecking yard and pick up an OEM igniter for much cheaper than >>your crappy aftermarket one. > > One can still find some NIB parts for cars that old. I have found NIB > parts for my 76 MGB. > The OP's igniter is abundantly available as-new from Honda, as are just about all the mechanical parts. But it's also expensive (about $120), which is why I suggested to the OP to just get one from the wreckers. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in >news:bov9e516qn8vjtbvv5aj1shcvq9um6nmqs@4ax.com : > >> Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> : >> > >>> >>>Go to a wrecking yard and pick up an OEM igniter for much cheaper than >>>your crappy aftermarket one. >> >> One can still find some NIB parts for cars that old. I have found NIB >> parts for my 76 MGB. >> > > > >The OP's igniter is abundantly available as-new from Honda, as are just >about all the mechanical parts. > >But it's also expensive (about $120), which is why I suggested to the OP to >just get one from the wreckers. True, give that his car probably isn't worth (on the street) $120. The car is worth much more to him, as it's not costing a car payment. -- - dillon I am not invalid "Always shoot first. At the very least you'll distract the guy enough to make the second one count" -- Lazurus Long |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
Exactly
considering I just dropped New Coil New Ignitor New Wires New Cap - Rotor And I have a Timing belt w tensioner Waterpump and 2 accessory belts ready to go on it AND I just bought 4 new tires in June with less then 500 miles on them I am getting dam close to the bluebook value HA! Its been raining no time to work on car Ideas for fixing this thing are VERY appreciated Oh the old ignitor is a NEC the new one is a Tru Tech >>But it's also expensive (about $120), which is why I suggested to the OP >>to >>just get one from the wreckers. > > True, give that his car probably isn't worth (on the street) $120. The > car is worth much more to him, as it's not costing a car payment. > -- > > - dillon I am not invalid > > "Always shoot first. At the very least you'll > distract the guy enough to make the second one count" > -- Lazurus Long |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
Hey I was just trying to figure out how the ignitor tells the coil to
fire.... What happens? The power comes into the coil and through to the ignitor and then the ecu tells the ignitor to cause an open in that circuit and then the power stops going through the coil to the ignitor and it goes out the secondary to the rotor then eventually to the plugs? so if i put a test light between the wire comming out of the coil to the ignitor it should blink when i crank the engine. If not then the ignitor or the cam sensors could be bad and if it blinks then the coil is bad ????? |
Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hcb44v$2kf7$1@news.telesweet.net:
> Hey I was just trying to figure out how the ignitor tells the coil to > fire.... > > What happens? I posted this link before. You apparently haven't looked at it, so here it is again: <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/startproblems.html#badigniter> There are diagrams and everything there. Have you tried swapping back the original igniter yet? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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