Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in
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>
> Its been raining no time to work on car



Then wait until you can swap in the old igniter (not "ignitor") and stop
speculating.

While waiting for the rain to stop, read this:
<http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/startproblems.html#badigniter>



>
> Ideas for fixing this thing are VERY appreciated



You've been given an idea already, which you haven't tried yet.


>
> Oh the old ignitor is a NEC the new one is a Tru Tech



NEC, TEC and OKI are original Honda. This "Tru-Tech" thing is very much
aftermarket.



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Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

No no chance yet hopefuly tomorrow I will get some time to work on it I am
dodging rain and work

I did perform the honda manual test on the original ignitor
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ignit...n-car-test.pdf

I went through all the steps which pointed to a bad ignitor
and then replaced the ignitor
still had the same simptom

then about a week later i got a new coil
put it in with new cap rotor wires ignitor
Engine ran for about 2 minutes real rough then died


http://i33.tinypic.com/dw5s9g.jpg

Here is a picture inside my Distributor with the coil removed and the new
ignitor in place

Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

I put the old ignitor in and it fired up

I also blew out the distributor with compressed air dont know how much dust
was in there but a lot

So it is running but not normal

I dont want to touch it anymore today I dropped an ignitor screw and lost it
but i had an extra.

then thinking I better ... I put the cap bolts in a tray and put it on the
battery and then while reaching tipped that over ...

Very Not Fun Day.

but at least it started
Im sure its going to need more work









"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> <CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hcb44v$2kf7$1@news.telesweet.net:
>
>> Hey I was just trying to figure out how the ignitor tells the coil to
>> fire....
>>
>> What happens?
>
>
>
> I posted this link before. You apparently haven't looked at it, so here it
> is again:
> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/startproblems.html#badigniter>
>
> There are diagrams and everything there.
>
> Have you tried swapping back the original igniter yet?
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
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Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

Do you think maybe i have a bad 12v wire in the distributor that is eaten
out inside and shows good with an ohm meter if the wire gets pushed around?

If the old ignitor works it makes me wonder what the original problem was...

Maybe the coil but the ohm meter tested the coil as good

makes it hard to trust it to drive






"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> <CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hcb44v$2kf7$1@news.telesweet.net:
>
>> Hey I was just trying to figure out how the ignitor tells the coil to
>> fire....
>>
>> What happens?
>
>
>
> I posted this link before. You apparently haven't looked at it, so here it
> is again:
> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/startproblems.html#badigniter>
>
> There are diagrams and everything there.
>
> Have you tried swapping back the original igniter yet?
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

last question i will ask tonight

I dont even want to think what full a Honda Distributor would cost

I have seen aftermarket ones under $300 or about that
Rebuilt and new

Do you have any reccomendation on a brand?

Dorman, Cardone, Other

Also any other suggestions thanks

Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hcnnsi$fak$1@news.telesweet.net:

> Do you think maybe i have a bad 12v wire in the distributor that is
> eaten out inside and shows good with an ohm meter if the wire gets
> pushed around?
>
> If the old ignitor works it makes me wonder what the original problem
> was...
>
> Maybe the coil but the ohm meter tested the coil as good
>
> makes it hard to trust it to drive
>
>




You CANNOT test coils with a VOM, no matter what anybody tells you.

Pushing 1.5V or whatever through the windings is NOT the same as zapping
the windings with 20,000 volts.

What color is the spark? Test this with an actual plug stuck in one of the
plug wires. Do not use a spark tester. Test at night, or in a darkened
garage. You want purply-blue and nothing less.

How old are the wires? The cap? The rotor?

How long did you let it run?


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Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

<CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hcnofk$fqt$1@news.telesweet.net:

> last question i will ask tonight
>
> I dont even want to think what full a Honda Distributor would cost



About $800. But there are also wrecking yards with an abundance of
perfectly good OEM Honda parts for cheaper than new/reman aftermarket.



>
> I have seen aftermarket ones under $300 or about that
> Rebuilt and new
>
> Do you have any reccomendation on a brand?
>
> Dorman, Cardone, Other



OEM Honda. The others are crap.



>
> Also any other suggestions thanks
>
>


1) You've just had a bad experience with one aftermarket part (which I
predicted way back in my very first reply), and you want to put /more/
aftermarket parts in your ignition system?

2) What makes you think you need a new distributor?

3) Did you even read my reply immediately previous to this one? Have you
read ANYTHING I posted? Frankly, your replies don't sound as though you
have.


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Re: 1990 honda crx dx - wont start spark problem - really need help
 

Yea like i said in my very first post
New Cap, Wires, Rotor, coil, ignitor
Everything was new and although you say all aftermarket Ignitors are crap
.... it was new and its hard to believe 100% of them come out of the box DOA.
big class action suits and stuff heh

I only let it run for about a minute or so ... ran it up to Redline a few
times.
RPM Guage is not responding accurately to the RPMs of the engine ... could
be the guage i guess.

Yea I know you cant really test a coil like that but it was not open so
thats something

It is pretty hard to test a distributor without a test station that can dyno
it.and its not like the old days with points and weights.


Anyway the engine feels different but it could be just from stitting.

The ehaust smells like acetone or carb cleaner but i haven't used any.

I appreciate your help Its probably one of the last things I would have
swapped back in because it was the first thing that I thought was bad.....

However I am not sure why the car died in the first place.

The old cap could have been the problem or the large amount of dust buildup
in the distributor could have caused a problem.

but like i said I wonder if I have a bluewhite wire that may be on its last
leg just getting contact for the moment because I pushed the wires around
when I opened the distributor. They test ok for continuity but it could be
like a battery cable that gets eaten out inside ..

the thing is 20 years old. the gaskets on the distributor are breaking down
Im sure a lot of things are...

I have been working nights for the past few weeks making it difficult to get
time to work on the car that along with the rain ...

but thanks again

I will still be working on it for a while and hope if I run into any other
problems you might lend an ear and a answer.





"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> <CrxChicken@anonamoo.com> wrote in news:hcnnsi$fak$1@news.telesweet.net:
>
>
> You CANNOT test coils with a VOM, no matter what anybody tells you.
>
> Pushing 1.5V or whatever through the windings is NOT the same as zapping
> the windings with 20,000 volts.
>
> What color is the spark? Test this with an actual plug stuck in one of the
> plug wires. Do not use a spark tester. Test at night, or in a darkened
> garage. You want purply-blue and nothing less.
>
> How old are the wires? The cap? The rotor?
>
> How long did you let it run?
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/