Bridget

I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with an
intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while accelerating at
low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd or when
going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to accelerate. It seems
to go away when the rpms get higher.

The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would not start
(crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling problem is
recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark plugs were
replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked. The fuel
relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix the problem.

Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it isn't going to
catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the time.

Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing everything in
the car?

Thank you for any advice.

Elle

I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
fill to the max line.

Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
fuel and air control systems.

Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
describe.

There are others. Start here, though.

Please confirm whether
-- OEM ignition wires and spark plugs were used
-- the air and fuel filters were replaced. If not, when were
they last replaced?
-- the battery is old. This is for the slow-to-catch
problem. Battery age in years and miles, please? What make
of battery is now installed? Do you have a multimeter to
check its voltage with the car off and on?


"Bridget" <rbwhitng@megalink.net> wrote

>I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with
>an
> intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while
> accelerating at
> low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd
> or when
> going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to
> accelerate. It seems
> to go away when the rpms get higher.
>
> The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would
> not start
> (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling
> problem is
> recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark
> plugs were
> replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked.
> The fuel
> relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix
> the problem.
>
> Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it
> isn't going to
> catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the
> time.
>
> Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing
> everything in
> the car?
>
> Thank you for any advice.

Elle

I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
fill to the max line.

Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
fuel and air control systems.

Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
describe.

There are others. Start here, though.

Please confirm whether
-- OEM ignition wires and spark plugs were used
-- the air and fuel filters were replaced. If not, when were
they last replaced?
-- the battery is old. This is for the slow-to-catch
problem. Battery age in years and miles, please? What make
of battery is now installed? Do you have a multimeter to
check its voltage with the car off and on?


"Bridget" <rbwhitng@megalink.net> wrote

>I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with
>an
> intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while
> accelerating at
> low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd
> or when
> going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to
> accelerate. It seems
> to go away when the rpms get higher.
>
> The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would
> not start
> (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling
> problem is
> recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark
> plugs were
> replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked.
> The fuel
> relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix
> the problem.
>
> Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it
> isn't going to
> catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the
> time.
>
> Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing
> everything in
> the car?
>
> Thank you for any advice.

jim beam

Bridget wrote:
> I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with an
> intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while accelerating at
> low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd or when
> going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to accelerate. It seems
> to go away when the rpms get higher.
>
> The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would not start
> (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling problem is
> recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark plugs were
> replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked. The fuel
> relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix the problem.
>
> Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it isn't going to
> catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the time.
>
> Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing everything in
> the car?
>
> Thank you for any advice.
>

check the egr system. i think tegger has a link to the repair procedure
on tegger.com.

jim beam

Bridget wrote:
> I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with an
> intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while accelerating at
> low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd or when
> going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to accelerate. It seems
> to go away when the rpms get higher.
>
> The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would not start
> (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling problem is
> recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark plugs were
> replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked. The fuel
> relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix the problem.
>
> Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it isn't going to
> catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the time.
>
> Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing everything in
> the car?
>
> Thank you for any advice.
>

check the egr system. i think tegger has a link to the repair procedure
on tegger.com.

motsco_

Elle wrote:
> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
> reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
> fill to the max line.
>
> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
> to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
> be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
> fuel and air control systems.
>
> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
> costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
> describe.
>
-------------------------------------

Big x2.

'Curly'

motsco_

Elle wrote:
> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
> reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
> fill to the max line.
>
> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
> to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
> be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
> fuel and air control systems.
>
> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
> costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
> describe.
>
-------------------------------------

Big x2.

'Curly'

Elle

"motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling
>> system reservoir. If it's not between the max and min
>> lines, then fill to the max line.
>>
>> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in
>> coolant to work properly. If the coolant is at all low,
>> they may not be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong
>> signal to the fuel and air control systems.
>>
>> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this.
>> It costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
>> describe.
>>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Big x2.

I happened to have changed my 91 Civic's coolant on Friday
but was a tad short of distilled water to mix with my
Havoline (orange anti-freeze), and so did not quite top off
the system per the manual. After letting the fan come on
twice, it looked like it had enough. Saturday morning
driving down the highway I get the hesitation and stumbling.
Then the Check Engine Light comes on. I figure it's gotta be
the coolant. Temperature gage looks fine. I got to where I
was going and checked. The reservoir was well below minimum.
Still having no distilled water, I added 2/3 cup of pure
Havoline to the reservoir. A couple hours after the car was
parked (and I attended to my reason for the trip, an
errand), I drove a few miles. The CEL did not recur for this
short, low speed trip. At the store I bought some distilled
water and added 2/3 cup to the reservoir (whose level had
not changed during the short trip). I brought the reservoir
back up to max, then drove the car home. It was holding
steady at about max. I let the car cool and topped off the
radiator. All seems fine now.

Fully supporting your claim of many a time here. :-)

A few years back, I had a related problem with a lack of
coolant, but this time, it was the EACV that was starved.
Plus, this instance a few years ago did not occur until at
least several weeks after my coolant change.

Elle

"motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling
>> system reservoir. If it's not between the max and min
>> lines, then fill to the max line.
>>
>> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in
>> coolant to work properly. If the coolant is at all low,
>> they may not be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong
>> signal to the fuel and air control systems.
>>
>> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this.
>> It costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
>> describe.
>>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Big x2.

I happened to have changed my 91 Civic's coolant on Friday
but was a tad short of distilled water to mix with my
Havoline (orange anti-freeze), and so did not quite top off
the system per the manual. After letting the fan come on
twice, it looked like it had enough. Saturday morning
driving down the highway I get the hesitation and stumbling.
Then the Check Engine Light comes on. I figure it's gotta be
the coolant. Temperature gage looks fine. I got to where I
was going and checked. The reservoir was well below minimum.
Still having no distilled water, I added 2/3 cup of pure
Havoline to the reservoir. A couple hours after the car was
parked (and I attended to my reason for the trip, an
errand), I drove a few miles. The CEL did not recur for this
short, low speed trip. At the store I bought some distilled
water and added 2/3 cup to the reservoir (whose level had
not changed during the short trip). I brought the reservoir
back up to max, then drove the car home. It was holding
steady at about max. I let the car cool and topped off the
radiator. All seems fine now.

Fully supporting your claim of many a time here. :-)

A few years back, I had a related problem with a lack of
coolant, but this time, it was the EACV that was starved.
Plus, this instance a few years ago did not occur until at
least several weeks after my coolant change.

Bridget

On Sep 9, 1:53 pm, "Elle" <honda.lion...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
> reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
> fill to the max line.
>
> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
> to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
> be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
> fuel and air control systems.
>
> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
> costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
> describe.
>
> There are others. Start here, though.
>
> Please confirm whether
> -- OEM ignition wires and spark plugs were used
> -- the air and fuel filters were replaced. If not, when were
> they last replaced?
> -- the battery is old. This is for the slow-to-catch
> problem. Battery age in years and miles, please? What make
> of battery is now installed? Do you have a multimeter to
> check its voltage with the car off and on?
>
> "Bridget" <rbwhi...@megalink.net> wrote
>
>
>
> >I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with
> >an
> > intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while
> > accelerating at
> > low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd
> > or when
> > going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to
> > accelerate. It seems
> > to go away when the rpms get higher.
>
> > The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would
> > not start
> > (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling
> > problem is
> > recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark
> > plugs were
> > replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked.
> > The fuel
> > relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix
> > the problem.
>
> > Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it
> > isn't going to
> > catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the
> > time.
>
> > Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing
> > everything in
> > the car?
>
> > Thank you for any advice.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I checked the coolant and it is okay. The battery is a Honda battery
replaced by the Honda dealer in December, 2006, so I doubt that could
be a problem. I've done a little research and the things that come up
are: throttle body & the EGR thing and the main relay. As I said
before the main relay was replaced last year. Could a dirty throttle
body cause both the hesitation and the starting problem? Why would
both things happen at once?

Thanks, Bridget.

Bridget

On Sep 9, 1:53 pm, "Elle" <honda.lion...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
> reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
> fill to the max line.
>
> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
> to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
> be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
> fuel and air control systems.
>
> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
> costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
> describe.
>
> There are others. Start here, though.
>
> Please confirm whether
> -- OEM ignition wires and spark plugs were used
> -- the air and fuel filters were replaced. If not, when were
> they last replaced?
> -- the battery is old. This is for the slow-to-catch
> problem. Battery age in years and miles, please? What make
> of battery is now installed? Do you have a multimeter to
> check its voltage with the car off and on?
>
> "Bridget" <rbwhi...@megalink.net> wrote
>
>
>
> >I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with
> >an
> > intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while
> > accelerating at
> > low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd
> > or when
> > going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to
> > accelerate. It seems
> > to go away when the rpms get higher.
>
> > The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would
> > not start
> > (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling
> > problem is
> > recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark
> > plugs were
> > replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked.
> > The fuel
> > relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix
> > the problem.
>
> > Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it
> > isn't going to
> > catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the
> > time.
>
> > Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing
> > everything in
> > the car?
>
> > Thank you for any advice.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I checked the coolant and it is okay. The battery is a Honda battery
replaced by the Honda dealer in December, 2006, so I doubt that could
be a problem. I've done a little research and the things that come up
are: throttle body & the EGR thing and the main relay. As I said
before the main relay was replaced last year. Could a dirty throttle
body cause both the hesitation and the starting problem? Why would
both things happen at once?

Thanks, Bridget.

jim beam

Bridget wrote:
> On Sep 9, 1:53 pm, "Elle" <honda.lion...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
>> reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
>> fill to the max line.
>>
>> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
>> to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
>> be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
>> fuel and air control systems.
>>
>> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
>> costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
>> describe.
>>
>> There are others. Start here, though.
>>
>> Please confirm whether
>> -- OEM ignition wires and spark plugs were used
>> -- the air and fuel filters were replaced. If not, when were
>> they last replaced?
>> -- the battery is old. This is for the slow-to-catch
>> problem. Battery age in years and miles, please? What make
>> of battery is now installed? Do you have a multimeter to
>> check its voltage with the car off and on?
>>
>> "Bridget" <rbwhi...@megalink.net> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with
>>> an
>>> intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while
>>> accelerating at
>>> low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd
>>> or when
>>> going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to
>>> accelerate. It seems
>>> to go away when the rpms get higher.
>>> The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would
>>> not start
>>> (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling
>>> problem is
>>> recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark
>>> plugs were
>>> replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked.
>>> The fuel
>>> relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix
>>> the problem.
>>> Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it
>>> isn't going to
>>> catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the
>>> time.
>>> Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing
>>> everything in
>>> the car?
>>> Thank you for any advice.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I checked the coolant and it is okay. The battery is a Honda battery
> replaced by the Honda dealer in December, 2006, so I doubt that could
> be a problem. I've done a little research and the things that come up
> are: throttle body & the EGR thing and the main relay. As I said
> before the main relay was replaced last year. Could a dirty throttle
> body cause both the hesitation and the starting problem? Why would
> both things happen at once?
>
> Thanks, Bridget.
>
are you getting a code?

jim beam

Bridget wrote:
> On Sep 9, 1:53 pm, "Elle" <honda.lion...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
>> reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
>> fill to the max line.
>>
>> Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
>> to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
>> be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
>> fuel and air control systems.
>>
>> Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
>> costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
>> describe.
>>
>> There are others. Start here, though.
>>
>> Please confirm whether
>> -- OEM ignition wires and spark plugs were used
>> -- the air and fuel filters were replaced. If not, when were
>> they last replaced?
>> -- the battery is old. This is for the slow-to-catch
>> problem. Battery age in years and miles, please? What make
>> of battery is now installed? Do you have a multimeter to
>> check its voltage with the car off and on?
>>
>> "Bridget" <rbwhi...@megalink.net> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with
>>> an
>>> intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while
>>> accelerating at
>>> low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd
>>> or when
>>> going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to
>>> accelerate. It seems
>>> to go away when the rpms get higher.
>>> The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would
>>> not start
>>> (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling
>>> problem is
>>> recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark
>>> plugs were
>>> replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked.
>>> The fuel
>>> relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix
>>> the problem.
>>> Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it
>>> isn't going to
>>> catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the
>>> time.
>>> Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing
>>> everything in
>>> the car?
>>> Thank you for any advice.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I checked the coolant and it is okay. The battery is a Honda battery
> replaced by the Honda dealer in December, 2006, so I doubt that could
> be a problem. I've done a little research and the things that come up
> are: throttle body & the EGR thing and the main relay. As I said
> before the main relay was replaced last year. Could a dirty throttle
> body cause both the hesitation and the starting problem? Why would
> both things happen at once?
>
> Thanks, Bridget.
>
are you getting a code?

motsco_

Bridget wrote:
> I checked the coolant and it is okay. The battery is a Honda battery
> replaced by the Honda dealer in December, 2006, so I doubt that could
> be a problem. I've done a little research and the things that come up
> are: throttle body & the EGR thing and the main relay. As I said
> before the main relay was replaced last year. Could a dirty throttle
> body cause both the hesitation and the starting problem? Why would
> both things happen at once?
>
> Thanks, Bridget.
>
======================================

Run a bottle of Techron injector cleaner through the gas and see if your
failure to start problem goes away. Read what your manual says about
'starting a flooded engine'. Next time it won't start hold the gas pedal
like the manual suggests and see if it starts with a puff of black
smoke. Confirmed.

'Curly'

motsco_

Bridget wrote:
> I checked the coolant and it is okay. The battery is a Honda battery
> replaced by the Honda dealer in December, 2006, so I doubt that could
> be a problem. I've done a little research and the things that come up
> are: throttle body & the EGR thing and the main relay. As I said
> before the main relay was replaced last year. Could a dirty throttle
> body cause both the hesitation and the starting problem? Why would
> both things happen at once?
>
> Thanks, Bridget.
>
======================================

Run a bottle of Techron injector cleaner through the gas and see if your
failure to start problem goes away. Read what your manual says about
'starting a flooded engine'. Next time it won't start hold the gas pedal
like the manual suggests and see if it starts with a puff of black
smoke. Confirmed.

'Curly'