1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6.
We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to take care of it. Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his brain a little. He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't let them do the pressure flush. I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any symptoms. My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice on the direction I should take with this? Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. I hope it doesn't come to that. Pete |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
According to the Honda Service manual for the 99 Accord w/ 4 cylinder
engine, the Diagnostic Trouble Code P0740 indicates that the "Lock-up clutch does not engage". Assuming that no other trouble codes are indicated and the line pressure is within the service limit, the manual advises to replace the Lock-up Control Solenoid Assembly set (2 components). Then reset the PCM memory, warm up the engine, and drive at 55 mph for 1 min to see if the DTC is triggered again. If yes, then the manual advises replacing the transmission and torque converter. (There's no telling whether these instructions also apply to the V6 transmission, but these are the kinds of questions to ask your mechanic. Did they even get this far?) So don't give up yet; it may be possible to fix your transmission without having to replace the whole thing. "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
According to the Honda Service manual for the 99 Accord w/ 4 cylinder
engine, the Diagnostic Trouble Code P0740 indicates that the "Lock-up clutch does not engage". Assuming that no other trouble codes are indicated and the line pressure is within the service limit, the manual advises to replace the Lock-up Control Solenoid Assembly set (2 components). Then reset the PCM memory, warm up the engine, and drive at 55 mph for 1 min to see if the DTC is triggered again. If yes, then the manual advises replacing the transmission and torque converter. (There's no telling whether these instructions also apply to the V6 transmission, but these are the kinds of questions to ask your mechanic. Did they even get this far?) So don't give up yet; it may be possible to fix your transmission without having to replace the whole thing. "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
My 99 Accord EX V6 transmission also had trouble and after spending several
days complaining at the dealership it was eventually replaced under warranty. It felt like the transmission could never decide which gear it wanted to be in under slight accelleration or constant speed. The service people kept trying to tell me that it's normal and "they all do that", but over time the problem kept getting worse. I think it had 15K on it when it was replaced. The replacement transmission exhibits some of the same problem but not as severe - now at 45K miles and it's still drivable. I'm not looking forward to the day that we need to fork out $4K for another. Love the car; Hate the transmission. I cannot believe that Honda won't take responsibility for the design defects in the transmissions used in their 1999 V6 models. M.Paul "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
My 99 Accord EX V6 transmission also had trouble and after spending several
days complaining at the dealership it was eventually replaced under warranty. It felt like the transmission could never decide which gear it wanted to be in under slight accelleration or constant speed. The service people kept trying to tell me that it's normal and "they all do that", but over time the problem kept getting worse. I think it had 15K on it when it was replaced. The replacement transmission exhibits some of the same problem but not as severe - now at 45K miles and it's still drivable. I'm not looking forward to the day that we need to fork out $4K for another. Love the car; Hate the transmission. I cannot believe that Honda won't take responsibility for the design defects in the transmissions used in their 1999 V6 models. M.Paul "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
Not so long ago, Honda annouced silently that they're extending the
automatic transmission warranty on some V6 models. It was mostly on the Oddyssey but I think that the V6 Accords were also included as they use the same tranny. "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
Not so long ago, Honda annouced silently that they're extending the
automatic transmission warranty on some V6 models. It was mostly on the Oddyssey but I think that the V6 Accords were also included as they use the same tranny. "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
Please keep us updated on this. I'm interested in hearing how it turns
out. I just bought a 2003 Accord LX Coupe (4cyl, Auto) and I'm pretty disappointed with Honda. There were a bunch of little things that were fixed. Some other issues I have with the car were described as "Normal Operation" (vibration in steering wheel, clicking brakes when changing directions, grinding noise in wipers). I have noticed that my transmission is making a whining noise when accelerating, but this is not uncommon on 03 Accord L4. I even heard this on a 00 Accord. I am a bit uncomfortable with a vibration from my transmission. I can only notice it when slowly accelerating. It almost feels like the transmission is in too high of a gear (like when driving a manual transmission car at 25MPH in 5th gear and trying to accelerate without downshifting). "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de>... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
Please keep us updated on this. I'm interested in hearing how it turns
out. I just bought a 2003 Accord LX Coupe (4cyl, Auto) and I'm pretty disappointed with Honda. There were a bunch of little things that were fixed. Some other issues I have with the car were described as "Normal Operation" (vibration in steering wheel, clicking brakes when changing directions, grinding noise in wipers). I have noticed that my transmission is making a whining noise when accelerating, but this is not uncommon on 03 Accord L4. I even heard this on a 00 Accord. I am a bit uncomfortable with a vibration from my transmission. I can only notice it when slowly accelerating. It almost feels like the transmission is in too high of a gear (like when driving a manual transmission car at 25MPH in 5th gear and trying to accelerate without downshifting). "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de>... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
When I had a 99 Accord LX, I had a problem with 5th gear synchro on the 5
speed at 600 miles. Honda wanted to replace the transmission, but after four months of " there are no available replacement 5 speeds" the box was successully repaired by the dealer. At the time, the service manager told me that were having great difficulties with the V6 automatic -- failures and so forth. I now drive 01 5 speed Prelude -- not one problem at all. I gues it depends on the model. The old 5 speed Accord were bulletproof. "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
When I had a 99 Accord LX, I had a problem with 5th gear synchro on the 5
speed at 600 miles. Honda wanted to replace the transmission, but after four months of " there are no available replacement 5 speeds" the box was successully repaired by the dealer. At the time, the service manager told me that were having great difficulties with the V6 automatic -- failures and so forth. I now drive 01 5 speed Prelude -- not one problem at all. I gues it depends on the model. The old 5 speed Accord were bulletproof. "Pete" <pete_nagurski@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bimfcn$b3tu2$1@ID-194065.news.uni-berlin.de... > Yesterday the "Check Engine" light came on in my wife's 1999 Accord EX V6. > We bought this car new. It is out of warranty with 48,000 miles. She had > recently noticed what she described as the engine "missing" occasionally, > but nothing serious. I assumed it was the well-known EGR problem, for which > there is an extended warranty, so we made an appointment with the dealer to > take care of it. > > Imagine my surprise when the code came up a PO740 which the tech described > as a "transmission system failure". What!!! This is my third new Honda. My > first was a 1982 Accord. It's still in the driveway with 300,000 miles, > being recycled through each of my kids as they get their driver's licenses. > The only major work necessary on it has been the timing belt and the clutch. > And they didn't fail, it was just time. Now I'm facing a several thousand > dollar bill on a practically brand-new car????? > > The first thing the dealer wanted to do was a pressurized transmission flush > for $210. This on top of the $80 I now have to pay (which I'm really pissed > about because I can get OBD II scans for free) because the problem isn't > under warranty. I recalled hearing about some problems associated with > pressure flushing, but couldn't remember exactly what they were. So before > giving the go-ahead, I called an independent transmission shop that I use > for business (I'm the fleet manager for an electric utility) to pick his > brain a little. > > He recommended that I pass on the pressure flush. He has seen catastrophic > failures occur to transmissions immediately following a pressure flush. He > recommended a drain and fill, running the car a few days and then another > drain and fill. So I had the dealer do a $42 drain and fill and arranged for > another appointment next Tuesday. They were really disappointed I wouldn't > let them do the pressure flush. > > I voiced my displeasure (politely) with this entire turn of events with the > poor kid at the service desk and eventually he got the service manager to > talk to me. He seemed sympathetic, but insisted he couldn't do anything for > me because the car is out of warranty. I told him that I have been a Honda > true-believer for years and am shocked that something like this could happen > with a car of this vintage. I told him I am even more shocked at the > prospect of being hung-out-to-dry by Honda in this way. > > Then it got kind of interesting. He seemed to get a little uncomfortable. He > admitted that Honda had experienced some transmission problems with many of > their V6 models. He said there were warranty extensions on some of them due > to these acknowledged problems. He asked the warranty manager if there was > an extension on mine and she replied there was not. He then suggested we > wait and see what happens with the drain and fill routine, and then contact > Honda. He had a pretty good attitude about the whole thing, so I left > feeling, not exactly ok, but calmed down a little. When we started the car > the "check engine" light was off. We left the dealer. At about 10 miles the > light came on again. It's about 50 miles home and we didn't experience any > symptoms. > > My interest piqued by the service manager's comments about known problems, > I've spent the afternoon google searching. What I've discovered so far is > that there is indeed a common problem with these transmissions from 1998 to > 2002 model years. Honda has granted warranty extensions for the 2000 and > 2001 models, but inexplicably not the others, although they cannot or will > not explain the design differences between them that would legitimize the > exclusions. The 2003 models are a new design. Can anyone relate any recent > similar experiences? And the outcome, positive or negative? And any advice > on the direction I should take with this? > > Honda needs to step up and take care of their customers. I have been a proud > Honda owner for over twenty years and have loudly announced my loyalty for > that entire time. Resolution of this situation will either confirm my faith > in Honda or destroy it. If Honda doesn't take care of me, I won't let it > rest. I think there are enough owners that have experienced this, and not > received satisfaction, to put together a formidable group to take Honda on. > I hope it doesn't come to that. > > Pete > > > |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
"<>" <nospam@all.com> wrote in message news:R5B3b.124663$2x.37179@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et... > According to the Honda Service manual for the 99 Accord w/ 4 cylinder > engine, the Diagnostic Trouble Code P0740 indicates that the "Lock-up clutch > does not engage". > > Assuming that no other trouble codes are indicated and the line pressure is > within the service limit, the manual advises to replace the Lock-up Control > Solenoid Assembly set (2 components). Then reset the PCM memory, warm up the > engine, and drive at 55 mph for 1 min to see if the DTC is triggered again. > If yes, then the manual advises replacing the transmission and torque > converter. (There's no telling whether these instructions also apply to the > V6 transmission, but these are the kinds of questions to ask your mechanic. > Did they even get this far?) So don't give up yet; it may be possible to > fix your transmission without having to replace the whole thing. <> This is good info, thanks. They didn't get that far. I'm sure that will be the next step after I have the next drain and fill next week. I'm a little concerned about how much it will cost, since I'm sure the tranny will have to be dropped and dismantled to change those components. If a pressure flush costs 210 bucks, I'll bet it's not gonna be cheap. Rick |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
"<>" <nospam@all.com> wrote in message news:R5B3b.124663$2x.37179@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et... > According to the Honda Service manual for the 99 Accord w/ 4 cylinder > engine, the Diagnostic Trouble Code P0740 indicates that the "Lock-up clutch > does not engage". > > Assuming that no other trouble codes are indicated and the line pressure is > within the service limit, the manual advises to replace the Lock-up Control > Solenoid Assembly set (2 components). Then reset the PCM memory, warm up the > engine, and drive at 55 mph for 1 min to see if the DTC is triggered again. > If yes, then the manual advises replacing the transmission and torque > converter. (There's no telling whether these instructions also apply to the > V6 transmission, but these are the kinds of questions to ask your mechanic. > Did they even get this far?) So don't give up yet; it may be possible to > fix your transmission without having to replace the whole thing. <> This is good info, thanks. They didn't get that far. I'm sure that will be the next step after I have the next drain and fill next week. I'm a little concerned about how much it will cost, since I'm sure the tranny will have to be dropped and dismantled to change those components. If a pressure flush costs 210 bucks, I'll bet it's not gonna be cheap. Rick |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
"M.Paul" <mpaul@NOSPAM.agilent.com> wrote in message news:1062167832.679466@cswreg.cos.agilent.com... > My 99 Accord EX V6 transmission also had trouble and after spending several > days complaining at the dealership it was eventually replaced under > warranty. It felt like the transmission could never decide which gear it > wanted to be in under slight accelleration or constant speed. The service > people kept trying to tell me that it's normal and "they all do that", but > over time the problem kept getting worse. I think it had 15K on it when it > was replaced. The replacement transmission exhibits some of the same > problem but not as severe - now at 45K miles and it's still drivable. I'm > not looking forward to the day that we need to fork out $4K for another. > Love the car; Hate the transmission. I cannot believe that Honda won't take > responsibility for the design defects in the transmissions used in their > 1999 V6 models. > M.Paul M, If I was you, I'd start working on them now. Problems after 30k on a new transmission is just wrong. Honda should deal with it. Rick |
Re: 1999 Accord V6 transmission problems
"M.Paul" <mpaul@NOSPAM.agilent.com> wrote in message news:1062167832.679466@cswreg.cos.agilent.com... > My 99 Accord EX V6 transmission also had trouble and after spending several > days complaining at the dealership it was eventually replaced under > warranty. It felt like the transmission could never decide which gear it > wanted to be in under slight accelleration or constant speed. The service > people kept trying to tell me that it's normal and "they all do that", but > over time the problem kept getting worse. I think it had 15K on it when it > was replaced. The replacement transmission exhibits some of the same > problem but not as severe - now at 45K miles and it's still drivable. I'm > not looking forward to the day that we need to fork out $4K for another. > Love the car; Hate the transmission. I cannot believe that Honda won't take > responsibility for the design defects in the transmissions used in their > 1999 V6 models. > M.Paul M, If I was you, I'd start working on them now. Problems after 30k on a new transmission is just wrong. Honda should deal with it. Rick |
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