Re: Additives worth the price?
 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:wvidndxGGL3tUALZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
>>"Dan" <dantheman98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:hrdu92db6l0otncesfqiuj1s9nduvegbtv@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>My friend is trying to convince me that using additives regularly are
>>>worth it because it can increase the life of the car. Is he right?
>>>
>>>1) Oil additives
>>>2) Clean Fuel Injector thing
>>>3) "Gas Treatment"
>>>4) Octane Booster
>>>
>>>They are not very cheap if I should decide to use them on regular
>>>basis, are they areally worth it?
>>>
>>
>>The only one I recommend is the fuel injector cleaner, but only as
>>needed. Hondas aren't very sensitive to deposits
>
>
>
>
> Hondas aren't susceptible at ALL to dirty injectors.

not quite true. poor starting is often the fault of a leaky injector,
and running cleaner through typically sorts that out. similarly,
hesitation is another problem and that's sorted by cleaner too.

don't forget, the exterior appearance of an injector doesn't show the
interior.

> If you run an injector
> service, you're removing deposits from the valve tops and the combustion
> chamber.

which is no bad thing.

>
>
>
>>and you can go years
>>without getting the balkiness that normally signals dirty injectors.
>>If you fill up with "top tier" gasoline (like Chevron) even
>>occasionally you aren't likely to need even that.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Take care of the car and you will never experience fuel delivery problems
> with a Honda. There's a damn good reason those injectors cost $287Cdn each
> new.
>
>

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:SfOdnVveTNyEcwLZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> TeGGeR® wrote:

>>
>> Hondas aren't susceptible at ALL to dirty injectors.
>
> not quite true. poor starting is often the fault of a leaky injector,



True. Forgot that one.



> and running cleaner through typically sorts that out. similarly,
> hesitation is another problem and that's sorted by cleaner too.
>
> don't forget, the exterior appearance of an injector doesn't show the
> interior.



ALL the injectors I pulled out of various wrecks a while ago were squeaky
clean. Every one. Including those from one car that was an obvious sludger.

You can pull the screen baskets and peer inside. Squeaky clean, I tell you.


--
TeGGeR®

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Re: Additives worth the price?
 

jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:SfOdnVveTNyEcwLZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> TeGGeR® wrote:

>>
>> Hondas aren't susceptible at ALL to dirty injectors.
>
> not quite true. poor starting is often the fault of a leaky injector,



True. Forgot that one.



> and running cleaner through typically sorts that out. similarly,
> hesitation is another problem and that's sorted by cleaner too.
>
> don't forget, the exterior appearance of an injector doesn't show the
> interior.



ALL the injectors I pulled out of various wrecks a while ago were squeaky
clean. Every one. Including those from one car that was an obvious sludger.

You can pull the screen baskets and peer inside. Squeaky clean, I tell you.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:SfOdnVveTNyEcwLZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> TeGGeR® wrote:

>>
>> Hondas aren't susceptible at ALL to dirty injectors.
>
> not quite true. poor starting is often the fault of a leaky injector,



True. Forgot that one.



> and running cleaner through typically sorts that out. similarly,
> hesitation is another problem and that's sorted by cleaner too.
>
> don't forget, the exterior appearance of an injector doesn't show the
> interior.



ALL the injectors I pulled out of various wrecks a while ago were squeaky
clean. Every one. Including those from one car that was an obvious sludger.

You can pull the screen baskets and peer inside. Squeaky clean, I tell you.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:SfOdnVveTNyEcwLZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>
>>>Hondas aren't susceptible at ALL to dirty injectors.
>>
>>not quite true. poor starting is often the fault of a leaky injector,
>
>
>
>
> True. Forgot that one.
>
>
>
>
>>and running cleaner through typically sorts that out. similarly,
>>hesitation is another problem and that's sorted by cleaner too.
>>
>>don't forget, the exterior appearance of an injector doesn't show the
>>interior.
>
>
>
>
> ALL the injectors I pulled out of various wrecks a while ago were squeaky
> clean. Every one. Including those from one car that was an obvious sludger.
>
> You can pull the screen baskets and peer inside. Squeaky clean, I tell you.
>
sure, but you can get different spray patterns before and after
cleaning, so there has to be /something/ going on!

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:SfOdnVveTNyEcwLZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>
>>>Hondas aren't susceptible at ALL to dirty injectors.
>>
>>not quite true. poor starting is often the fault of a leaky injector,
>
>
>
>
> True. Forgot that one.
>
>
>
>
>>and running cleaner through typically sorts that out. similarly,
>>hesitation is another problem and that's sorted by cleaner too.
>>
>>don't forget, the exterior appearance of an injector doesn't show the
>>interior.
>
>
>
>
> ALL the injectors I pulled out of various wrecks a while ago were squeaky
> clean. Every one. Including those from one car that was an obvious sludger.
>
> You can pull the screen baskets and peer inside. Squeaky clean, I tell you.
>
sure, but you can get different spray patterns before and after
cleaning, so there has to be /something/ going on!

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:SfOdnVveTNyEcwLZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>
>>>Hondas aren't susceptible at ALL to dirty injectors.
>>
>>not quite true. poor starting is often the fault of a leaky injector,
>
>
>
>
> True. Forgot that one.
>
>
>
>
>>and running cleaner through typically sorts that out. similarly,
>>hesitation is another problem and that's sorted by cleaner too.
>>
>>don't forget, the exterior appearance of an injector doesn't show the
>>interior.
>
>
>
>
> ALL the injectors I pulled out of various wrecks a while ago were squeaky
> clean. Every one. Including those from one car that was an obvious sludger.
>
> You can pull the screen baskets and peer inside. Squeaky clean, I tell you.
>
sure, but you can get different spray patterns before and after
cleaning, so there has to be /something/ going on!

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

Dan wrote:
> My friend is trying to convince me that using additives regularly are
> worth it because it can increase the life of the car. Is he right?
>
> 1) Oil additives
> 2) Clean Fuel Injector thing
> 3) "Gas Treatment"
> 4) Octane Booster
>
> They are not very cheap if I should decide to use them on regular
> basis, are they areally worth it?
>


In a word, no!

Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
the Top-Tier brands and correct, good quality lubricants changed
regularly and you are doing your car all the good it needs.

John

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

Dan wrote:
> My friend is trying to convince me that using additives regularly are
> worth it because it can increase the life of the car. Is he right?
>
> 1) Oil additives
> 2) Clean Fuel Injector thing
> 3) "Gas Treatment"
> 4) Octane Booster
>
> They are not very cheap if I should decide to use them on regular
> basis, are they areally worth it?
>


In a word, no!

Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
the Top-Tier brands and correct, good quality lubricants changed
regularly and you are doing your car all the good it needs.

John

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

Dan wrote:
> My friend is trying to convince me that using additives regularly are
> worth it because it can increase the life of the car. Is he right?
>
> 1) Oil additives
> 2) Clean Fuel Injector thing
> 3) "Gas Treatment"
> 4) Octane Booster
>
> They are not very cheap if I should decide to use them on regular
> basis, are they areally worth it?
>


In a word, no!

Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
the Top-Tier brands and correct, good quality lubricants changed
regularly and you are doing your car all the good it needs.

John

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:58:24 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
>the Top-Tier brands ...
That takes me to my prime question since I bought my new Civic last
week (and gave the '88 to charity). What the hell is MMT and top tier
gas?
This is the Top tier gas site: http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html
and this is an article about top tier gas
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...s_you_use.html
I always ran AMOCO, now BP, high test in my old civic. My chief
engineer always ran it in all his cars as he said it kept them
cleaner.
But, I digress...
I intended to follow Honda's advice an burn regular as a cost cutting
measure (but not at the expense of the car). Now I see I cannot,
according to Honda, use BP at all---while Ford is recommending it for
their cars.
Among the gasolines listed on the sites above, here in Virginia Beach,
I can find a Shell station if I look for it. We have BP, Exxon,
Texaco. Some of the other brands on the list may be available
locally, but a cursory exam of phone book doesn't reveal them
TIA
sign me
//Confused//

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:58:24 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
>the Top-Tier brands ...
That takes me to my prime question since I bought my new Civic last
week (and gave the '88 to charity). What the hell is MMT and top tier
gas?
This is the Top tier gas site: http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html
and this is an article about top tier gas
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...s_you_use.html
I always ran AMOCO, now BP, high test in my old civic. My chief
engineer always ran it in all his cars as he said it kept them
cleaner.
But, I digress...
I intended to follow Honda's advice an burn regular as a cost cutting
measure (but not at the expense of the car). Now I see I cannot,
according to Honda, use BP at all---while Ford is recommending it for
their cars.
Among the gasolines listed on the sites above, here in Virginia Beach,
I can find a Shell station if I look for it. We have BP, Exxon,
Texaco. Some of the other brands on the list may be available
locally, but a cursory exam of phone book doesn't reveal them
TIA
sign me
//Confused//

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:58:24 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
>the Top-Tier brands ...
That takes me to my prime question since I bought my new Civic last
week (and gave the '88 to charity). What the hell is MMT and top tier
gas?
This is the Top tier gas site: http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html
and this is an article about top tier gas
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...s_you_use.html
I always ran AMOCO, now BP, high test in my old civic. My chief
engineer always ran it in all his cars as he said it kept them
cleaner.
But, I digress...
I intended to follow Honda's advice an burn regular as a cost cutting
measure (but not at the expense of the car). Now I see I cannot,
according to Honda, use BP at all---while Ford is recommending it for
their cars.
Among the gasolines listed on the sites above, here in Virginia Beach,
I can find a Shell station if I look for it. We have BP, Exxon,
Texaco. Some of the other brands on the list may be available
locally, but a cursory exam of phone book doesn't reveal them
TIA
sign me
//Confused//

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

Roy Starrin wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:58:24 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
>>the Top-Tier brands ...
>
> That takes me to my prime question since I bought my new Civic last
> week (and gave the '88 to charity). What the hell is MMT and top tier
> gas?
> This is the Top tier gas site: http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html
> and this is an article about top tier gas
> http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...s_you_use.html
> I always ran AMOCO, now BP, high test in my old civic. My chief
> engineer always ran it in all his cars as he said it kept them
> cleaner.
> But, I digress...
> I intended to follow Honda's advice an burn regular as a cost cutting
> measure (but not at the expense of the car). Now I see I cannot,
> according to Honda, use BP at all---while Ford is recommending it for
> their cars.
> Among the gasolines listed on the sites above, here in Virginia Beach,
> I can find a Shell station if I look for it. We have BP, Exxon,
> Texaco. Some of the other brands on the list may be available
> locally, but a cursory exam of phone book doesn't reveal them
> TIA
> sign me
> //Confused//
>
if you're using high octane in a civic, unless it's got a high
compression engine like an sir, you're wasting a lot of money. energy
content of high and low octane is pretty much the same, [not exactly,
but good enough], but there's /big/ differences in combustion speed. if
you're using high octane in an engine tunes for low octane, mixture is
not burning fast enough for the ignition timing, so still-burning
mixture is going out of the exhaust - an utter waste of energy and
money. stick to regular - it's what the engine is tuned for, just like
it says in the manual.

Re: Additives worth the price?
 

Roy Starrin wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:58:24 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Just walk away from all that crap. Use good quality fuel like one of
>>the Top-Tier brands ...
>
> That takes me to my prime question since I bought my new Civic last
> week (and gave the '88 to charity). What the hell is MMT and top tier
> gas?
> This is the Top tier gas site: http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html
> and this is an article about top tier gas
> http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...s_you_use.html
> I always ran AMOCO, now BP, high test in my old civic. My chief
> engineer always ran it in all his cars as he said it kept them
> cleaner.
> But, I digress...
> I intended to follow Honda's advice an burn regular as a cost cutting
> measure (but not at the expense of the car). Now I see I cannot,
> according to Honda, use BP at all---while Ford is recommending it for
> their cars.
> Among the gasolines listed on the sites above, here in Virginia Beach,
> I can find a Shell station if I look for it. We have BP, Exxon,
> Texaco. Some of the other brands on the list may be available
> locally, but a cursory exam of phone book doesn't reveal them
> TIA
> sign me
> //Confused//
>
if you're using high octane in a civic, unless it's got a high
compression engine like an sir, you're wasting a lot of money. energy
content of high and low octane is pretty much the same, [not exactly,
but good enough], but there's /big/ differences in combustion speed. if
you're using high octane in an engine tunes for low octane, mixture is
not burning fast enough for the ignition timing, so still-burning
mixture is going out of the exhaust - an utter waste of energy and
money. stick to regular - it's what the engine is tuned for, just like
it says in the manual.