Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

sharx333 wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply. I posted a photo, if
> you're curious:
>
> http://hondaswap.com/attachments/gen...093006_001.jpg
>
dude, that's in seriously bad condition. you were lucky to catch it
before it broke. it's guess the belt was /way/ over-tight.

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

sharx333 wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply. I posted a photo, if
> you're curious:
>
> http://hondaswap.com/attachments/gen...093006_001.jpg

DO NOT pass Go. DO NOT collect $200. DO NOT drive your car or go directly
to jail. That is the worst belt I have seen on a car that is still
running! Replace it now or risk it breaking and bending valves, then you'll
have to pull the head.

See some of my prior messages about timing belts...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...e2a5e7fb18a4a0
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...0ecbf770a26237
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...a278c5ecaf39bc

This is the tool you'll want to use to hold the pulley so you can break the
pulley bolt loose...

http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=7869

From your photo, it looks like you'll also want to replace the upper and
lower covers and gaskets especially if they are warped due to oil exposure.
As my other posts have stated, replace the water pump, cam and front crank
seals, and timing belt tensioner. If this project seems overwhelming, then
find a good independent shop that specializes in Hondas to do it for you.
An incorrectly installed timing belt can cost you your engine.

Eric

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

sharx333 wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply. I posted a photo, if
> you're curious:
>
> http://hondaswap.com/attachments/gen...093006_001.jpg

DO NOT pass Go. DO NOT collect $200. DO NOT drive your car or go directly
to jail. That is the worst belt I have seen on a car that is still
running! Replace it now or risk it breaking and bending valves, then you'll
have to pull the head.

See some of my prior messages about timing belts...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...e2a5e7fb18a4a0
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...0ecbf770a26237
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...a278c5ecaf39bc

This is the tool you'll want to use to hold the pulley so you can break the
pulley bolt loose...

http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=7869

From your photo, it looks like you'll also want to replace the upper and
lower covers and gaskets especially if they are warped due to oil exposure.
As my other posts have stated, replace the water pump, cam and front crank
seals, and timing belt tensioner. If this project seems overwhelming, then
find a good independent shop that specializes in Hondas to do it for you.
An incorrectly installed timing belt can cost you your engine.

Eric

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

sharx333 wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply. I posted a photo, if
> you're curious:
>
> http://hondaswap.com/attachments/gen...093006_001.jpg

DO NOT pass Go. DO NOT collect $200. DO NOT drive your car or go directly
to jail. That is the worst belt I have seen on a car that is still
running! Replace it now or risk it breaking and bending valves, then you'll
have to pull the head.

See some of my prior messages about timing belts...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...e2a5e7fb18a4a0
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...0ecbf770a26237
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...a278c5ecaf39bc

This is the tool you'll want to use to hold the pulley so you can break the
pulley bolt loose...

http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=7869

From your photo, it looks like you'll also want to replace the upper and
lower covers and gaskets especially if they are warped due to oil exposure.
As my other posts have stated, replace the water pump, cam and front crank
seals, and timing belt tensioner. If this project seems overwhelming, then
find a good independent shop that specializes in Hondas to do it for you.
An incorrectly installed timing belt can cost you your engine.

Eric

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>
>> What sort of driving conditions does this car see?
>> Anything
>> that would qualify as "extreme" per your owner's manual?
>> E.g. a lot of dust, cold starts, Canada-like temperature
>> extremes?
>
> Apart from wading into ankle-deep water a few times, it
> doesn't see
> very extreme conditions. Weather is mild here, if somewhat
> hot and
> humid. No evidence of oil on the belt, at least not now.
> It did have a
> slight leak at the head gasket, before I replaced it. It's
> an easy jump
> from there to the belt.

I was remiss before: Any liquid falling on the timing belt
can reduce its life significantly. So shucks yes, a missing
lower cover sure could do this, from my reading, especially
if you've been driving through some flooded roads.

Confirm that timing belt cover really is missing via the
exploded parts drawings at www.slhondaparts.com . Order a
new belt and new cover. Replace. Hopefully you'll be good to
go. Also, Eric is one of the Kings here; incredibly
experienced. Believe whatever he tells you.

> As cars this age go, it has relatively low mileage: less
> than 60K
> miles.
>
>
>> On the "special" pulley bolt: If I (an amateur who has
>> slowly been accumulating more proficiency in the last ten
>> years) can get it off using hand tools, I think just
>> about
>> anyone can.
>
> Thanks for the advice, Elle. Since getting all your
> responses, I
> prudently avoided running the engine. This afternoon I
> sprayed
> penetrating oil into the bolt, to maybe help it along.
> What hand tools
> did you use? I assume you made your own special wrench.

Yes, but yours takes a different version. Both are shown at
my amateur web site, previously linked in this thread, and
there is a link to a description of a home-made one. Or, as
Eric said, you can buy the tool. I think if you shop around
a bit on the net, you can find a somewhat cheaper one, like
for around $25 before shipping/handling. Ebay is definitely
worth checking, too.

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>
>> What sort of driving conditions does this car see?
>> Anything
>> that would qualify as "extreme" per your owner's manual?
>> E.g. a lot of dust, cold starts, Canada-like temperature
>> extremes?
>
> Apart from wading into ankle-deep water a few times, it
> doesn't see
> very extreme conditions. Weather is mild here, if somewhat
> hot and
> humid. No evidence of oil on the belt, at least not now.
> It did have a
> slight leak at the head gasket, before I replaced it. It's
> an easy jump
> from there to the belt.

I was remiss before: Any liquid falling on the timing belt
can reduce its life significantly. So shucks yes, a missing
lower cover sure could do this, from my reading, especially
if you've been driving through some flooded roads.

Confirm that timing belt cover really is missing via the
exploded parts drawings at www.slhondaparts.com . Order a
new belt and new cover. Replace. Hopefully you'll be good to
go. Also, Eric is one of the Kings here; incredibly
experienced. Believe whatever he tells you.

> As cars this age go, it has relatively low mileage: less
> than 60K
> miles.
>
>
>> On the "special" pulley bolt: If I (an amateur who has
>> slowly been accumulating more proficiency in the last ten
>> years) can get it off using hand tools, I think just
>> about
>> anyone can.
>
> Thanks for the advice, Elle. Since getting all your
> responses, I
> prudently avoided running the engine. This afternoon I
> sprayed
> penetrating oil into the bolt, to maybe help it along.
> What hand tools
> did you use? I assume you made your own special wrench.

Yes, but yours takes a different version. Both are shown at
my amateur web site, previously linked in this thread, and
there is a link to a description of a home-made one. Or, as
Eric said, you can buy the tool. I think if you shop around
a bit on the net, you can find a somewhat cheaper one, like
for around $25 before shipping/handling. Ebay is definitely
worth checking, too.

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>
>> What sort of driving conditions does this car see?
>> Anything
>> that would qualify as "extreme" per your owner's manual?
>> E.g. a lot of dust, cold starts, Canada-like temperature
>> extremes?
>
> Apart from wading into ankle-deep water a few times, it
> doesn't see
> very extreme conditions. Weather is mild here, if somewhat
> hot and
> humid. No evidence of oil on the belt, at least not now.
> It did have a
> slight leak at the head gasket, before I replaced it. It's
> an easy jump
> from there to the belt.

I was remiss before: Any liquid falling on the timing belt
can reduce its life significantly. So shucks yes, a missing
lower cover sure could do this, from my reading, especially
if you've been driving through some flooded roads.

Confirm that timing belt cover really is missing via the
exploded parts drawings at www.slhondaparts.com . Order a
new belt and new cover. Replace. Hopefully you'll be good to
go. Also, Eric is one of the Kings here; incredibly
experienced. Believe whatever he tells you.

> As cars this age go, it has relatively low mileage: less
> than 60K
> miles.
>
>
>> On the "special" pulley bolt: If I (an amateur who has
>> slowly been accumulating more proficiency in the last ten
>> years) can get it off using hand tools, I think just
>> about
>> anyone can.
>
> Thanks for the advice, Elle. Since getting all your
> responses, I
> prudently avoided running the engine. This afternoon I
> sprayed
> penetrating oil into the bolt, to maybe help it along.
> What hand tools
> did you use? I assume you made your own special wrench.

Yes, but yours takes a different version. Both are shown at
my amateur web site, previously linked in this thread, and
there is a link to a description of a home-made one. Or, as
Eric said, you can buy the tool. I think if you shop around
a bit on the net, you can find a somewhat cheaper one, like
for around $25 before shipping/handling. Ebay is definitely
worth checking, too.

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159641794.042528.114030@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply. I posted a photo, if
> you're curious:
>
> http://hondaswap.com/attachments/gen...093006_001.jpg
>

Gee, thanks. Now I have the willies! The timing belt on our old
(non-interference) Volvo developed some crazing on the back of the belt
before I changed it, but I never thought I'd see anything like that and the
engine still running.

Mike

Mike

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159641794.042528.114030@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply. I posted a photo, if
> you're curious:
>
> http://hondaswap.com/attachments/gen...093006_001.jpg
>

Gee, thanks. Now I have the willies! The timing belt on our old
(non-interference) Volvo developed some crazing on the back of the belt
before I changed it, but I never thought I'd see anything like that and the
engine still running.

Mike

Mike

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159641794.042528.114030@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply. I posted a photo, if
> you're curious:
>
> http://hondaswap.com/attachments/gen...093006_001.jpg
>

Gee, thanks. Now I have the willies! The timing belt on our old
(non-interference) Volvo developed some crazing on the back of the belt
before I changed it, but I never thought I'd see anything like that and the
engine still running.

Mike

Mike

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
> This is the tool you'll want to use to hold the pulley so
> you can break the
> pulley bolt loose...
>
> http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=7869


I was curious about what Ebay currently has to offer. A few
like the one pictured at the link above are available, but
there is also this, for the price of $19 before shipping and
handling:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERFO...spagenameZWD1V

Anyone tried this version?

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
> This is the tool you'll want to use to hold the pulley so
> you can break the
> pulley bolt loose...
>
> http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=7869


I was curious about what Ebay currently has to offer. A few
like the one pictured at the link above are available, but
there is also this, for the price of $19 before shipping and
handling:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERFO...spagenameZWD1V

Anyone tried this version?

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
> This is the tool you'll want to use to hold the pulley so
> you can break the
> pulley bolt loose...
>
> http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=7869


I was curious about what Ebay currently has to offer. A few
like the one pictured at the link above are available, but
there is also this, for the price of $19 before shipping and
handling:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERFO...spagenameZWD1V

Anyone tried this version?

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159641965.502369.318550@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Thanks. No shortage here of that "special vocabulary".
> Any other tricky things to watch out for?
>
Only to triple-check everything after you get the new belt on and before you
put the cover on. Familiarize yourself with the adjustment (timing and
tensioning) procedures. I think one of the links posted here talks about
making marks on the edge of the old belt, transfering them to the new belt
and using that to verify timing on the new belt. If not, ask for more
details.

Except for that forsaken crank bolt the job is really not that much worse
than a brake job, and an impact wrench is the easiest way to loosen the
crank bolt... especially if somebody else is using the impact wrench ;-)
Retightening is not nearly so bad, especially if you have a holding tool.
Even with just a strap wrench to hold the pulley you can get enough torque
on the bolt.

Mike

Re: Bad Timing Belt?
 

"sharx333" <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159641965.502369.318550@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Thanks. No shortage here of that "special vocabulary".
> Any other tricky things to watch out for?
>
Only to triple-check everything after you get the new belt on and before you
put the cover on. Familiarize yourself with the adjustment (timing and
tensioning) procedures. I think one of the links posted here talks about
making marks on the edge of the old belt, transfering them to the new belt
and using that to verify timing on the new belt. If not, ask for more
details.

Except for that forsaken crank bolt the job is really not that much worse
than a brake job, and an impact wrench is the easiest way to loosen the
crank bolt... especially if somebody else is using the impact wrench ;-)
Retightening is not nearly so bad, especially if you have a holding tool.
Even with just a strap wrench to hold the pulley you can get enough torque
on the bolt.

Mike