Jim Yanik

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:BN-dneNZfoOlGrDeRVn-qw@sedona.net:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
> news:Xns96D59ECB9808jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86...
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> newsvWdnd-hvctqx7HeRVn-rw@sedona.net:
>>
>>> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns96D4844DA2EB4jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84.. .
>>>>
>>>> Discount it all you want,but the MASSIVE disobediance of the 55
>>>> NMSL by ordinary drivers was the reason it went away.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> I don't think so, because violations of the 55 mph limit were a
>>> revenue source. The more it was violated (as long as the citations
>>> were written, to collect the fines and satisfy the feds enforcement
>>> was taking place) the more the states profited and the greater the
>>> incentive to continue the program. Political pressure to repeal the
>>> limit threatened the future of too many politicians, apart from
>>> whether the law was actually obeyed.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is -where- the political pressure came from;all the people who
>> got ticketed.It sure didn't come from all the blindly obedient
>> drones. --
>> Jim Yanik
>
> Disobedience and disapproval are not synonymous; I disagree with our
> tax structure but I pay my taxes. I was a "blindly obedient drone"
> because I didn't speed, and nobody asked me my opinion.

And you probably did not write your representatives,either.

> But you can
> bet the speeders who were ticketed only "fed the beast" by making it
> economically attractive to retain the limit.
>
> You suggest by the term "all" that the majority obeyed the limit,

No,I don't;that is what you choose to read into what I wrote.

By "didn't come from all the blindly obedient drones",I allowed that SOME
of the drones might have expressed their opposition to the 55 NMSL by
writing their reps,or through newpaper letters to the editor.
Most just went along(obeyed) and kept silent,IMO.(and fumed at all the
"lawbreakers" speeding around and past them.)
But it IS clear that the majority of drivers DID exceed the 55 NMSL,thus
the effort to cut off HWY funds to increase enforcement;if it were
profitable and enforced,there would have been -no need- to cut off HWY
funds. IIRC,many states statistics showed massive noncompliance.

> but
> that undercuts your premise. Effective political pressure requires a
> clear majority

Not really;just a large enough vocal group;look at homosexual groups,they
certainly are not "majorities",yet manage to influence legislators in
excess of their actual numbers.

>(otherwise re-election would not be an issue), so if
> obedience were the measure rather than public opinion we would still
> be driving 55.
>
> Mike
>



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Jim Yanik
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at
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Mill Hall PA
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"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:432DC6E5.F26E3EA1@spam.now...
> RA wrote:
>>
>> Guys - I started this dialog to see if anyone was aware of any website
>> that would tell you if the car had a black box. I don't want a box in my
>> car and I don't care to debate it here and justify. Same reason I don't
>> want the grocery store keeping a log of what I buy or the cable company
>> what I watch. Why do we need all this info unless we were being paid for
>> it. Do your own searches, black box have caused a lot of heart burn for
>> people in wrecks.
>>
>> So if anyone has any more info please post it ;-)
>>
>
> If I remember correctly, it's anything '96 and newer however you may need
> to
> check individual makes and models.
>
> Eric

Mickie Gaul

Your so right.