On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:30:19 -0500, Marvin <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net>
wrote:
><Snip>
>
>Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that needs a tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather
>common, isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?

A Diesel can't be "tuned up" However a diesel with worn injectors or
sucking air into the fuel line or a number of other problems will
cause this. I believe that the real source of most visible diesel
smoke that you are seeing is from high sulphur diesel fuel (Often in
North America) or from worn out diesels in a poor state of repair in
other regions.

Watch the new common rail and other efficient diesels run with
functioning emission controls and you'll be hard pressed to discern
any smoke, heavy or otherwise.

In fact I would love for you to compare the visible emissions from a 6
pac 'Cuda to a new 200 HP VW GTi TDi upon hard acceleration.

Emissions are as a result of government requirements. What you are
seeing is the result of what the government has stated is acceptable.

What makes me shake my head is the pollution that is released by home
furnaces and farming unmentioned in the media while the brainless
"environmentalists" belabor the auto sector.

But..... I suppose that it's easier to attack a rich guy in a Caddy
than it is to attack Grandma and her home & Farm practices.

 

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:30:19 -0500, Marvin <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net>
wrote:
><Snip>
>
>Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that needs a tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather
>common, isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?

A Diesel can't be "tuned up" However a diesel with worn injectors or
sucking air into the fuel line or a number of other problems will
cause this. I believe that the real source of most visible diesel
smoke that you are seeing is from high sulphur diesel fuel (Often in
North America) or from worn out diesels in a poor state of repair in
other regions.

Watch the new common rail and other efficient diesels run with
functioning emission controls and you'll be hard pressed to discern
any smoke, heavy or otherwise.

In fact I would love for you to compare the visible emissions from a 6
pac 'Cuda to a new 200 HP VW GTi TDi upon hard acceleration.

Emissions are as a result of government requirements. What you are
seeing is the result of what the government has stated is acceptable.

What makes me shake my head is the pollution that is released by home
furnaces and farming unmentioned in the media while the brainless
"environmentalists" belabor the auto sector.

But..... I suppose that it's easier to attack a rich guy in a Caddy
than it is to attack Grandma and her home & Farm practices.

 

diel@spim.com wrote:
> In article <H6BEd.3321$C52.2656@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink. net>,
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Marvin wrote:
>>> Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that
>>> needs a tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather common,
>>> isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?
>>
>> At 70 years, and a being a retired line driver, there isn't anything
>> I have NOT been behind at some point. LOL
>>
>> I have seen plenty of drivers in truck stops whose cigarette or pipe
>> smoke could match that of a good running early 1980's Oldsmobile
>> (choke). The frequency of diesels belching smoke is the exception
>> these days.
>
> In cold weather diesels stink bad, real bad. In fact so bad I have to
> close off my external air mix valve. Buses are real bad. School
> buses
> are even stinkier. Those with exhaust pipes off the side instead of
> up
> the top like the big trucks, blow that crap right into the cars.

The test vehicle in the example was a current technology European passenger
car. Not a 40 year old Crown school bus with a equally dated engine. I
have no idea where you live so I cannot comment about old buses spewing high
sulfur exhaust in your vents. Where I live, metro diesel busses are CNG
fueled and school buses are a mix of biodiesel and CNG. No smoke or stench.
As for OTR trucks, they are subject to California emsssions rules. Out of
State trucks .... who knows other than emission levels those trucks had to
meet to be sold originally. Also, sulfur content varies quite a bit outside
of CA. If you don't like it, don't follow busses or .. RIDE the bus. LOL
--
~Philip.

 

diel@spim.com wrote:
> In article <H6BEd.3321$C52.2656@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink. net>,
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Marvin wrote:
>>> Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that
>>> needs a tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather common,
>>> isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?
>>
>> At 70 years, and a being a retired line driver, there isn't anything
>> I have NOT been behind at some point. LOL
>>
>> I have seen plenty of drivers in truck stops whose cigarette or pipe
>> smoke could match that of a good running early 1980's Oldsmobile
>> (choke). The frequency of diesels belching smoke is the exception
>> these days.
>
> In cold weather diesels stink bad, real bad. In fact so bad I have to
> close off my external air mix valve. Buses are real bad. School
> buses
> are even stinkier. Those with exhaust pipes off the side instead of
> up
> the top like the big trucks, blow that crap right into the cars.

The test vehicle in the example was a current technology European passenger
car. Not a 40 year old Crown school bus with a equally dated engine. I
have no idea where you live so I cannot comment about old buses spewing high
sulfur exhaust in your vents. Where I live, metro diesel busses are CNG
fueled and school buses are a mix of biodiesel and CNG. No smoke or stench.
As for OTR trucks, they are subject to California emsssions rules. Out of
State trucks .... who knows other than emission levels those trucks had to
meet to be sold originally. Also, sulfur content varies quite a bit outside
of CA. If you don't like it, don't follow busses or .. RIDE the bus. LOL
--
~Philip.

 

Full_Name wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:30:19 -0500, Marvin <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net>
> wrote:
>> <Snip>
>>
>> Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that
>> needs a tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather common,
>> isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?
>
> A Diesel can't be "tuned up" However a diesel with worn injectors or
> sucking air into the fuel line or a number of other problems will
> cause this.
SNIP

You are in error about diesel tuning. Completely.

--
~Philip.

 

Full_Name wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:30:19 -0500, Marvin <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net>
> wrote:
>> <Snip>
>>
>> Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that
>> needs a tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather common,
>> isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?
>
> A Diesel can't be "tuned up" However a diesel with worn injectors or
> sucking air into the fuel line or a number of other problems will
> cause this.
SNIP

You are in error about diesel tuning. Completely.

--
~Philip.

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41e25c92$0$19166$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> "Hovel in your element"?
>
> "Revel"?
>
> DAS
> --
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling


That should have read grovel, as in "cringe". Hey, it was late at night
Dori. I'm surprised that you only found one error in that rather lengthy
piece. Mea culpa.

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41e25c92$0$19166$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> "Hovel in your element"?
>
> "Revel"?
>
> DAS
> --
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling


That should have read grovel, as in "cringe". Hey, it was late at night
Dori. I'm surprised that you only found one error in that rather lengthy
piece. Mea culpa.

 

"Bradburn Fentress" <pleased@n't.spam> wrote in message
news:06zEd.8$hi6.781@news.uswest.net...
> Ah man, why give this goofball a clue.? A recent study showed that the
> people the least likely to recognize incompetence and stupidity are
> incompetent stupid ones. Think how much more enjoyable this knucklehead is
> when he thinks he's being witty, rather than understanding he's quite
> dimwitted.
>
> Geez....some people kill all the fun :^)
>

Brad, that was truly spoken like a man who "thinks he's being witty, rather
than understanding he's quite dimwitted." Your inferiority complex is
shining through. It's well deserved Brad. ;-) Just keep reading those
studies Brad and you may someday get a clue. You would have been better off
remaining quiet and appearing stupid, rather than opening your mouth and
removing all doubt.

 

"Bradburn Fentress" <pleased@n't.spam> wrote in message
news:06zEd.8$hi6.781@news.uswest.net...
> Ah man, why give this goofball a clue.? A recent study showed that the
> people the least likely to recognize incompetence and stupidity are
> incompetent stupid ones. Think how much more enjoyable this knucklehead is
> when he thinks he's being witty, rather than understanding he's quite
> dimwitted.
>
> Geez....some people kill all the fun :^)
>

Brad, that was truly spoken like a man who "thinks he's being witty, rather
than understanding he's quite dimwitted." Your inferiority complex is
shining through. It's well deserved Brad. ;-) Just keep reading those
studies Brad and you may someday get a clue. You would have been better off
remaining quiet and appearing stupid, rather than opening your mouth and
removing all doubt.

 

StingRay wrote:
> "Bradburn Fentress" <pleased@n't.spam> wrote in message
> news:06zEd.8$hi6.781@news.uswest.net...
>> Ah man, why give this goofball a clue.? A recent study showed that
>> the people the least likely to recognize incompetence and stupidity
>> are incompetent stupid ones. Think how much more enjoyable this
>> knucklehead is when he thinks he's being witty, rather than
>> understanding he's quite dimwitted.
>>
>> Geez....some people kill all the fun :^)
>>
>
> Brad, that was truly spoken like a man who "thinks he's being witty,
> rather than understanding he's quite dimwitted." Your inferiority
> complex is shining through. It's well deserved Brad. ;-) Just keep
> reading those studies Brad and you may someday get a clue. You would
> have been better off remaining quiet and appearing stupid, rather
> than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

Plagiarizing without giving due credit again?

"You would have been better off remaining quiet and appearing stupid, rather
than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.?

(earliest version seems to be Proverbs 17:28) 28 Even a fool, when he
holdeth his peace, is counted wise:

 

StingRay wrote:
> "Bradburn Fentress" <pleased@n't.spam> wrote in message
> news:06zEd.8$hi6.781@news.uswest.net...
>> Ah man, why give this goofball a clue.? A recent study showed that
>> the people the least likely to recognize incompetence and stupidity
>> are incompetent stupid ones. Think how much more enjoyable this
>> knucklehead is when he thinks he's being witty, rather than
>> understanding he's quite dimwitted.
>>
>> Geez....some people kill all the fun :^)
>>
>
> Brad, that was truly spoken like a man who "thinks he's being witty,
> rather than understanding he's quite dimwitted." Your inferiority
> complex is shining through. It's well deserved Brad. ;-) Just keep
> reading those studies Brad and you may someday get a clue. You would
> have been better off remaining quiet and appearing stupid, rather
> than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

Plagiarizing without giving due credit again?

"You would have been better off remaining quiet and appearing stupid, rather
than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.?

(earliest version seems to be Proverbs 17:28) 28 Even a fool, when he
holdeth his peace, is counted wise:

 

"Full_Name" <Email@address.com> wrote in message
news:lf86u01u8if16f1bstv4lp9fk5jfpbb8c5@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:30:19 -0500, Marvin <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net>
> wrote:
>><Snip>
>>
>>Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that needs a
>>tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather
>>common, isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?
>
> A Diesel can't be "tuned up" However a diesel with worn injectors or
> sucking air into the fuel line or a number of other problems will
> cause this. I believe that the real source of most visible diesel
> smoke that you are seeing is from high sulphur diesel fuel (Often in
> North America) or from worn out diesels in a poor state of repair in
> other regions.
>
> Watch the new common rail and other efficient diesels run with
> functioning emission controls and you'll be hard pressed to discern
> any smoke, heavy or otherwise.
>
> In fact I would love for you to compare the visible emissions from a 6
> pac 'Cuda to a new 200 HP VW GTi TDi upon hard acceleration.
>
> Emissions are as a result of government requirements. What you are
> seeing is the result of what the government has stated is acceptable.
>
> What makes me shake my head is the pollution that is released by home
> furnaces and farming unmentioned in the media while the brainless
> "environmentalists" belabor the auto sector.
>
> But..... I suppose that it's easier to attack a rich guy in a Caddy
> than it is to attack Grandma and her home & Farm practices.


My Range Rover is tuned by 'chipping'.
I have a range of off road equipment including a few tractors. Latest
tractor engines are tier II compliant while tier III will take over on
engines above 150hp from next Summer. Most current off road engines above
100hp already have high pressure injection systems with electronic engine
management while an increasing number have common-rail type injection. Tier
III compliant engines will have common rail or unit injectors combined with
variable vane turbo's and exhaust gas recirculation.

I do agree about oil fired home heating though. I have three such systems
and when they start to smoke or smell, boy do they pollute!

Huw
Huw

 

"Full_Name" <Email@address.com> wrote in message
news:lf86u01u8if16f1bstv4lp9fk5jfpbb8c5@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:30:19 -0500, Marvin <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net>
> wrote:
>><Snip>
>>
>>Have you ever been behind a car or truck with a diesel engine that needs a
>>tuneup? Did you notice the heavy smoke? Rather
>>common, isn't it? Is that like second-hand tobacco smoke?
>
> A Diesel can't be "tuned up" However a diesel with worn injectors or
> sucking air into the fuel line or a number of other problems will
> cause this. I believe that the real source of most visible diesel
> smoke that you are seeing is from high sulphur diesel fuel (Often in
> North America) or from worn out diesels in a poor state of repair in
> other regions.
>
> Watch the new common rail and other efficient diesels run with
> functioning emission controls and you'll be hard pressed to discern
> any smoke, heavy or otherwise.
>
> In fact I would love for you to compare the visible emissions from a 6
> pac 'Cuda to a new 200 HP VW GTi TDi upon hard acceleration.
>
> Emissions are as a result of government requirements. What you are
> seeing is the result of what the government has stated is acceptable.
>
> What makes me shake my head is the pollution that is released by home
> furnaces and farming unmentioned in the media while the brainless
> "environmentalists" belabor the auto sector.
>
> But..... I suppose that it's easier to attack a rich guy in a Caddy
> than it is to attack Grandma and her home & Farm practices.


My Range Rover is tuned by 'chipping'.
I have a range of off road equipment including a few tractors. Latest
tractor engines are tier II compliant while tier III will take over on
engines above 150hp from next Summer. Most current off road engines above
100hp already have high pressure injection systems with electronic engine
management while an increasing number have common-rail type injection. Tier
III compliant engines will have common rail or unit injectors combined with
variable vane turbo's and exhaust gas recirculation.

I do agree about oil fired home heating though. I have three such systems
and when they start to smoke or smell, boy do they pollute!

Huw
Huw

 

Bradburn Fentress wrote:
> "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:41e25c92$0$19166$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>> "Hovel in your element"?
>>
>> "Revel"?
>>
>> DAS
>> --
>> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
>> ---
>>
>> "StingRay" <StingRay@Vette.com> wrote in message
>> news:SrydnT3JGJv9gULcRVn-3Q@rogers.com...
>> [...]
>>> Then you can hovel in your element.
>
> Ah man, why give this goofball a clue.? A recent study showed that the
> people the least likely to recognize incompetence and stupidity are
> incompetent stupid ones. Think how much more enjoyable this
> knucklehead is when he thinks he's being witty, rather than
> understanding he's quite dimwitted.
>
> Geez....some people kill all the fun :^)

The problem with that theory is that you too could be deluding yourself into
thinking that you are clever and witty when you are not. I suppose you'll
have to fall back on school grades, IQ tests, and general concensus to show
otherwise.

StingRay can go down to a community college and sign up for a logic 101
class to see how lacking his reasoning skills are, but he probably doesn't
care. After all, he might even have a Stingray, and it's probably the high
point of his life.