WickeddollŽ

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41dd38e8$1$19164$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> 1) Did this woman lose too much too quickly?
>
Nope, doctor-supervised (at first in a hospital)

> 2) My wife smokes only sporadically and then not much, but I have
> refused to buy her duty-free cigs (I travel a lot) on same grounds.
>
>
> DAS

Back when I was single, I tried to date a smoker, but it was just too
disgusting. I acknowledge their right to smoke, but I just can't have it
around me on a regular basis. And before the secondhand smoke protesters say
they don't believe smoking affects anyone other than the smoker, let me tell
you - even if the FDA said secondhand smoke is actually *good* for us, I'd
still not want that nasty smell around me! And while there's no conclusive
evidence that secondhand smoking causes the same effect of smoking directly,
I certainly have seen evidence of secondhand smoke being harmful to others.
Children of smokers are *way* more likely to have upper respiratory ailments
as a result of irritation of the respiratory mucosa, such as chronic
sinusitis, asthma attacks, etc. I feel sad every time I see a child in a car
with smoke filling the interior. I've seen smoking parents storm out of
doctor's offices in anger when told they're harming their children, rather
than accepting responsibility for their actions. To me it's at least child
neglect, if not out and out abuse to poison the air your children breathe.
No, I don't go up to a car and chastise the smoking parent(s), but I'm...

Natalie, a smoking ****, who will go up to strangers in public places, to
remind them that they're in a no-smoking area
>
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:343ge2F44ep8mU1@individual.net...
> [...]
>> to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200
>> pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body
>> reacted as though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill.
>> She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her
>> sanity. Isn't that
> [...]
>> (She lives in Massachusetts) she'd ask if I'd buy her cigarettes either in
>> NH (They're quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA.
>> I told her that while I know she won't stop smoking because I refuse to
>> buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because
>> that
> [...]
>

WickeddollŽ

"Full_Name" <Email@address.com> wrote in message
news:cliqt0lgid8htsi7nudmdi3pamlhqc8knd@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,
> newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:27:57 -0500, "WickeddollŽ"
>><wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>>
>>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>>>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study
>>>> proving
>>>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>>>> influences.
>>>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works,
>>>> because
>>>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>>>
>>>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and
>>>> the
>>>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the
>>>> number
>>>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3
>>>> cigarettes
>>>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing
>>>> arm
>>>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>>
>>>> Cosmin
>>>
>>>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>>>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>>>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>>>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>>>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>>>smoking is - wow!
>>>
>>>Natalie
>>
>>Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
>>none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
>>college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
>>and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
>>afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
>>child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
>>smell now and then.
>>
>>Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.
>>
>>imho,
>>
>>tom @ www.ChopURL.com
>
> A different take to help put things in perspective.
>
> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
> then Zyban.
>
> Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>
> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>
> Then there's my wife's aunt.
>
> She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
> she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
> still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
> were overweight.
>
> Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
> I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
> others.
>

*snipping on-topic stuff* LOL

That's very sad! I've never heard of Zyban leading to suicide, nor have I
heard of its competitor, Wellbutrin doing that. And while I've heard of
long-living smokers, it's still one hell of a gamble. An expensive one at
that, not only for buying the cigs, but for the health care you need later
on.

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Full_Name" <Email@address.com> wrote in message
news:cliqt0lgid8htsi7nudmdi3pamlhqc8knd@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,
> newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:27:57 -0500, "WickeddollŽ"
>><wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>>
>>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>>>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study
>>>> proving
>>>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>>>> influences.
>>>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works,
>>>> because
>>>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>>>
>>>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and
>>>> the
>>>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the
>>>> number
>>>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3
>>>> cigarettes
>>>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing
>>>> arm
>>>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>>
>>>> Cosmin
>>>
>>>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>>>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>>>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>>>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>>>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>>>smoking is - wow!
>>>
>>>Natalie
>>
>>Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
>>none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
>>college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
>>and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
>>afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
>>child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
>>smell now and then.
>>
>>Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.
>>
>>imho,
>>
>>tom @ www.ChopURL.com
>
> A different take to help put things in perspective.
>
> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
> then Zyban.
>
> Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>
> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>
> Then there's my wife's aunt.
>
> She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
> she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
> still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
> were overweight.
>
> Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
> I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
> others.
>

*snipping on-topic stuff* LOL

That's very sad! I've never heard of Zyban leading to suicide, nor have I
heard of its competitor, Wellbutrin doing that. And while I've heard of
long-living smokers, it's still one hell of a gamble. An expensive one at
that, not only for buying the cigs, but for the health care you need later
on.

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:kf-dnZO1ldem_EDcRVn-3w@rogers.com...
> Full_Name wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
>> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
>> then Zyban. Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day
>> on the
>> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
>> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>>
>> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
>> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
>> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
>> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>>
> [snip]
>
> I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order to
> quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It has
> horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most people, if
> you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble.
>
> Cosmin

Wellbutrin is another alternative, but let me give you a tip if you want to
try it (Has way fewer side effects): Wellbutrin is usually authorized by
insurance companies only as a depression drug. So, not that I'm telling you
to lie, but, if you're feeling down because you can't quit smoking or your
life isn't going well, be sure to tell the doctor...

Natalie, whistling innocently, and adjusting her halo

WickeddollŽ

"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:kf-dnZO1ldem_EDcRVn-3w@rogers.com...
> Full_Name wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
>> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
>> then Zyban. Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day
>> on the
>> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
>> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>>
>> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
>> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
>> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
>> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>>
> [snip]
>
> I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order to
> quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It has
> horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most people, if
> you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble.
>
> Cosmin

Wellbutrin is another alternative, but let me give you a tip if you want to
try it (Has way fewer side effects): Wellbutrin is usually authorized by
insurance companies only as a depression drug. So, not that I'm telling you
to lie, but, if you're feeling down because you can't quit smoking or your
life isn't going well, be sure to tell the doctor...

Natalie, whistling innocently, and adjusting her halo

WickeddollŽ

<newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com> wrote in message
news22rt05ec7uhhsg4vcqe8hojp7jm9jj82a@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:40:54 -0500, Full_Name <Email@address.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,
>>newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:27:57 -0500, "WickeddollŽ"
>>><wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>>>
>>>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes
>>>>> have
>>>>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study
>>>>> proving
>>>>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>>>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>>>>> influences.
>>>>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works,
>>>>> because
>>>>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and
>>>>> the
>>>>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the
>>>>> number
>>>>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3
>>>>> cigarettes
>>>>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>>>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing
>>>>> arm
>>>>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>>>
>>>>> Cosmin
>>>>
>>>>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That
>>>>was
>>>>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>>>>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>>>>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>>>>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>>>>smoking is - wow!
>>>>
>>>>Natalie
>>>
>>>Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
>>>none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
>>>college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
>>>and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
>>>afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
>>>child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
>>>smell now and then.
>>>
>>>Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.
>>>
>>>imho,
>>>
>>>tom @ www.ChopURL.com
>>
>>A different take to help put things in perspective.
>>
>>My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
>>patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
>>then Zyban.
>>
>>Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
>>product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
>>happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>>
>>It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
>>jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
>>he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
>>had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>>
>>Then there's my wife's aunt.
>>
>>She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
>>she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
>>still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
>>were overweight.
>>
>>Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
>>I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
>>others.
>>
>>
>>Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time that
>>we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005
>>GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast
>>Turbo Diesel's.
>>
>>More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !
>
>
> Just remember, if I person NEEDS a drug to quit smoking, it's usually
> because they don't want to stop. Something, family pressure, health,
> has made them want to get the drug to stop, so when they get off the
> drug, they will go back to smoking.

You're probably right
>
> I've learned this from losing weight and stopping smoking, it's a
> life style change, you want to do it, and want to keep doing it. If
> you use a gimic, as soon as that gimic is gone you will reverse right
> back to prior to the gimic.

Yup - all that 'instant' weight loss crap is well, crap. Slimfast and others
like it are good if you want to drop some pounds before your wedding, class
reunion, etc, but not for long-term.
>
> Now all this is in my own observations, but being a good American,
> cold-turkey hurts our economy, if you don't want to support the tax
> system via smoking(or over eating), then you need to buy highpriced
> gimics to keep the money moving.
>
> So, being a victim, makes for a better Americia. :-P
>
> later,
>
> tom

Salute the flag when you say that, you commie!

;-)

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

<newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com> wrote in message
news22rt05ec7uhhsg4vcqe8hojp7jm9jj82a@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:40:54 -0500, Full_Name <Email@address.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,
>>newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:27:57 -0500, "WickeddollŽ"
>>><wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>>>
>>>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes
>>>>> have
>>>>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study
>>>>> proving
>>>>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>>>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>>>>> influences.
>>>>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works,
>>>>> because
>>>>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and
>>>>> the
>>>>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the
>>>>> number
>>>>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3
>>>>> cigarettes
>>>>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>>>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing
>>>>> arm
>>>>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>>>
>>>>> Cosmin
>>>>
>>>>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That
>>>>was
>>>>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>>>>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>>>>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>>>>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>>>>smoking is - wow!
>>>>
>>>>Natalie
>>>
>>>Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
>>>none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
>>>college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
>>>and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
>>>afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
>>>child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
>>>smell now and then.
>>>
>>>Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.
>>>
>>>imho,
>>>
>>>tom @ www.ChopURL.com
>>
>>A different take to help put things in perspective.
>>
>>My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
>>patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
>>then Zyban.
>>
>>Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
>>product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
>>happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>>
>>It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
>>jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
>>he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
>>had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>>
>>Then there's my wife's aunt.
>>
>>She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
>>she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
>>still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
>>were overweight.
>>
>>Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
>>I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
>>others.
>>
>>
>>Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time that
>>we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005
>>GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast
>>Turbo Diesel's.
>>
>>More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !
>
>
> Just remember, if I person NEEDS a drug to quit smoking, it's usually
> because they don't want to stop. Something, family pressure, health,
> has made them want to get the drug to stop, so when they get off the
> drug, they will go back to smoking.

You're probably right
>
> I've learned this from losing weight and stopping smoking, it's a
> life style change, you want to do it, and want to keep doing it. If
> you use a gimic, as soon as that gimic is gone you will reverse right
> back to prior to the gimic.

Yup - all that 'instant' weight loss crap is well, crap. Slimfast and others
like it are good if you want to drop some pounds before your wedding, class
reunion, etc, but not for long-term.
>
> Now all this is in my own observations, but being a good American,
> cold-turkey hurts our economy, if you don't want to support the tax
> system via smoking(or over eating), then you need to buy highpriced
> gimics to keep the money moving.
>
> So, being a victim, makes for a better Americia. :-P
>
> later,
>
> tom

Salute the flag when you say that, you commie!

;-)

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Keuzen" <prkeus@freeler.nl> wrote in message
news:bc576$41dd695f$3e15ff9b$22338@freeler.nl...
> There's only one accurate cure for smokers: the guillotine
>

You're such a ray of sunshine, dood

:-)

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Keuzen" <prkeus@freeler.nl> wrote in message
news:bc576$41dd695f$3e15ff9b$22338@freeler.nl...
> There's only one accurate cure for smokers: the guillotine
>

You're such a ray of sunshine, dood

:-)

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Marvin" <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:10tqtaq358kcm87@corp.supernews.com...
> WickeddollŽ wrote:
>> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>
>>>Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>
>>>The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>>>very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>>>that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>>because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>>>influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
>>>works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to
>>>quit.
>>>
>>>I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>>>chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>>>of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>>>in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>>Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>>>and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>
>>>Cosmin
>>
>>
>> I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>> until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>> their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>> everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>> smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>> smoking is - wow!
>>
>> Natalie
>>
> <snip>
> The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a
> consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation in his
> field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well enough, I asked
> him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk. His answer was that he
> would run blood tests to know when he was about to get cancer, and then
> quit. I was certain he knew that there is no such test, and I didn't
> pursue the matter. Addicts rationalize.
>
> Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology - the
> treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung cancer, with many
> slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs - some postmortem -
> several people were smoking!

The addiction, like most others, override rational thought whenever it can.
The id just needs, and it will trick you into thinking you need it, too.
>
> Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.

Yup - "I can stop anytime I want to"

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Marvin" <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:10tqtaq358kcm87@corp.supernews.com...
> WickeddollŽ wrote:
>> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>
>>>Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>
>>>The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>>>very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>>>that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>>because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>>>influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
>>>works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to
>>>quit.
>>>
>>>I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>>>chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>>>of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>>>in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>>Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>>>and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>
>>>Cosmin
>>
>>
>> I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>> until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>> their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>> everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>> smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>> smoking is - wow!
>>
>> Natalie
>>
> <snip>
> The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a
> consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation in his
> field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well enough, I asked
> him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk. His answer was that he
> would run blood tests to know when he was about to get cancer, and then
> quit. I was certain he knew that there is no such test, and I didn't
> pursue the matter. Addicts rationalize.
>
> Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology - the
> treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung cancer, with many
> slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs - some postmortem -
> several people were smoking!

The addiction, like most others, override rational thought whenever it can.
The id just needs, and it will trick you into thinking you need it, too.
>
> Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.

Yup - "I can stop anytime I want to"

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Scott M" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:u2eDd.51710$nP1.23083@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>
>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>> influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
>> works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to
>> quit.
>>
>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>
>> Cosmin
>
> I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn't keep the
> damn thing lit!
>
That joke is older than my youngest child - she's 14

;-)

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Scott M" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:u2eDd.51710$nP1.23083@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>
>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
>> influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
>> works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to
>> quit.
>>
>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>
>> Cosmin
>
> I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn't keep the
> damn thing lit!
>
That joke is older than my youngest child - she's 14

;-)

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Marvin" <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:10tqsrksl8pglb1@corp.supernews.com...
> Philip wrote:
>> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars
>>
>> Ivanhoe Newswire
>> www.ivanhoe.com
>> September 1, 2004
>>
>> Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times
>> greater than diesel car exhaust.
>
> I'm not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine exhaust,
> especially the kind you can see, is much richer in carcinogens.
>

But they smell better...

Natalie

WickeddollŽ

"Marvin" <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:10tqsrksl8pglb1@corp.supernews.com...
> Philip wrote:
>> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars
>>
>> Ivanhoe Newswire
>> www.ivanhoe.com
>> September 1, 2004
>>
>> Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times
>> greater than diesel car exhaust.
>
> I'm not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine exhaust,
> especially the kind you can see, is much richer in carcinogens.
>

But they smell better...

Natalie