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Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
jim beam wrote:
> Steve Mackie wrote: > >>> | front wheels' hub caps too can be removed, to help cool engine. >>> My front wheels used to be too hot to touch, caused by this * flow >>> design flaw & cheapo exhaust manifold. Removal of hub cap will >>> let drive shaft & engine cool faster, unnecessary for well cooled >>> engines, but for desparate users with severe overheating, this can >>> help a bit, esp on original steel wheels with 15½" Ø plastic caps. >> >> You've got to be f***in kidding me. >> >> Plonk. >> >> Steve >> > his best one was about disconnecting the clock because the excessive > load on the alternator robbed power... LOf*ingL! I'm going to save this one! :) Anyone give me odds he also drains the windshield washer to reduce weight? Doesn't mount the front plate (if his state issues 2)? |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:59:19 +0800, "TE Chea" <4ws@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> * via thermostat is [i] steel-piped next to & heat is transferred into >>rocker cover's breather hose >>http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/g...3d800cf9d1.gif >>, this heated air is then sucked through PCV valve & into intake >>manifold.chamber [ii] rubber-hosed into bottom of throttle body >>http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/g...3d800cf4a6.gif >>, & heat flows into the air passing throttle. >> Both designs make air intake & cylinder head unduly hot >>www.circletrack.com/techarticles/1822/ : whenever intake manifold >>heats up ( esp in long trips ), torque drops & warm-starts are difficult >>, both because hot air cannot expand much when heated. Ideal >>temperature of air to receive injectors' spray of petrol is just 40°C = >>104°F ( www.turborick.com/gsxr1127/gasoline.html para 10.2[7] ). >>Intake manifold where injectors spray petrol ( near cylinder head ) & >>chamber already get heat from manifold's contact with cylinder head, >>EAC & Fast Idle valves ( both heated by * ), certainly do not need >>more heat. If designer wanted manifold to heat up fast, then throttle >>body must have a thermostat to stop * inflow when throttle is heated >>to 40°C. These 2 designs make steep hill climbing slow & weak ; * >>& air intake will both be @ their hottest, & torque will be lowest ( >>ironically, when torque is needed most ). >> After I disabled these 2 designs, in 28°C air, [i] chamber, manifold >>& cylinder head are cooler, benefits are many e.g. 1 can use ( cheaper >>) mineral oil & lower viscosity [ii] torque ( 5% > before ) does not >>drop after * heats up [iii] warm-starts are easier. Does anyone know Chea's country of origin ("petrol", "felt", etc.)? And does he have a pet? ;) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:59:19 +0800, "TE Chea" <4ws@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> * via thermostat is [i] steel-piped next to & heat is transferred into >>rocker cover's breather hose >>http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/g...3d800cf9d1.gif >>, this heated air is then sucked through PCV valve & into intake >>manifold.chamber [ii] rubber-hosed into bottom of throttle body >>http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/g...3d800cf4a6.gif >>, & heat flows into the air passing throttle. >> Both designs make air intake & cylinder head unduly hot >>www.circletrack.com/techarticles/1822/ : whenever intake manifold >>heats up ( esp in long trips ), torque drops & warm-starts are difficult >>, both because hot air cannot expand much when heated. Ideal >>temperature of air to receive injectors' spray of petrol is just 40°C = >>104°F ( www.turborick.com/gsxr1127/gasoline.html para 10.2[7] ). >>Intake manifold where injectors spray petrol ( near cylinder head ) & >>chamber already get heat from manifold's contact with cylinder head, >>EAC & Fast Idle valves ( both heated by * ), certainly do not need >>more heat. If designer wanted manifold to heat up fast, then throttle >>body must have a thermostat to stop * inflow when throttle is heated >>to 40°C. These 2 designs make steep hill climbing slow & weak ; * >>& air intake will both be @ their hottest, & torque will be lowest ( >>ironically, when torque is needed most ). >> After I disabled these 2 designs, in 28°C air, [i] chamber, manifold >>& cylinder head are cooler, benefits are many e.g. 1 can use ( cheaper >>) mineral oil & lower viscosity [ii] torque ( 5% > before ) does not >>drop after * heats up [iii] warm-starts are easier. Does anyone know Chea's country of origin ("petrol", "felt", etc.)? And does he have a pet? ;) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:59:19 +0800, "TE Chea" <4ws@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> * via thermostat is [i] steel-piped next to & heat is transferred into >>rocker cover's breather hose >>http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/g...3d800cf9d1.gif >>, this heated air is then sucked through PCV valve & into intake >>manifold.chamber [ii] rubber-hosed into bottom of throttle body >>http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/g...3d800cf4a6.gif >>, & heat flows into the air passing throttle. >> Both designs make air intake & cylinder head unduly hot >>www.circletrack.com/techarticles/1822/ : whenever intake manifold >>heats up ( esp in long trips ), torque drops & warm-starts are difficult >>, both because hot air cannot expand much when heated. Ideal >>temperature of air to receive injectors' spray of petrol is just 40°C = >>104°F ( www.turborick.com/gsxr1127/gasoline.html para 10.2[7] ). >>Intake manifold where injectors spray petrol ( near cylinder head ) & >>chamber already get heat from manifold's contact with cylinder head, >>EAC & Fast Idle valves ( both heated by * ), certainly do not need >>more heat. If designer wanted manifold to heat up fast, then throttle >>body must have a thermostat to stop * inflow when throttle is heated >>to 40°C. These 2 designs make steep hill climbing slow & weak ; * >>& air intake will both be @ their hottest, & torque will be lowest ( >>ironically, when torque is needed most ). >> After I disabled these 2 designs, in 28°C air, [i] chamber, manifold >>& cylinder head are cooler, benefits are many e.g. 1 can use ( cheaper >>) mineral oil & lower viscosity [ii] torque ( 5% > before ) does not >>drop after * heats up [iii] warm-starts are easier. Does anyone know Chea's country of origin ("petrol", "felt", etc.)? And does he have a pet? ;) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:18:46 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
<Sparky@universalexports.org> wrote: >jim beam wrote: >> Steve Mackie wrote: >> >>>> | front wheels' hub caps too can be removed, to help cool engine. >>>> My front wheels used to be too hot to touch, caused by this * flow >>>> design flaw & cheapo exhaust manifold. Removal of hub cap will >>>> let drive shaft & engine cool faster, unnecessary for well cooled >>>> engines, but for desparate users with severe overheating, this can >>>> help a bit, esp on original steel wheels with 15½" Ø plastic caps. >>> >>> You've got to be f***in kidding me. >>> >>> Plonk. >>> >>> Steve >>> >> his best one was about disconnecting the clock because the excessive >> load on the alternator robbed power... > >LOf*ingL! I'm going to save this one! :) > >Anyone give me odds he also drains the windshield washer to reduce >weight? Doesn't mount the front plate (if his state issues 2)? I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects I find with my Honda. 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon fibre. Not only is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more carbon fibre in our diet. 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing backward against car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. I turned mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a lot faster. Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the lights on and the car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you left the lights on again." This technology was standard in the 1980 LeBaron. 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the battery doesn't run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda should make cars with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a hundred years ago. 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not enough Yang. I paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas milage is much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:18:46 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
<Sparky@universalexports.org> wrote: >jim beam wrote: >> Steve Mackie wrote: >> >>>> | front wheels' hub caps too can be removed, to help cool engine. >>>> My front wheels used to be too hot to touch, caused by this * flow >>>> design flaw & cheapo exhaust manifold. Removal of hub cap will >>>> let drive shaft & engine cool faster, unnecessary for well cooled >>>> engines, but for desparate users with severe overheating, this can >>>> help a bit, esp on original steel wheels with 15½" Ø plastic caps. >>> >>> You've got to be f***in kidding me. >>> >>> Plonk. >>> >>> Steve >>> >> his best one was about disconnecting the clock because the excessive >> load on the alternator robbed power... > >LOf*ingL! I'm going to save this one! :) > >Anyone give me odds he also drains the windshield washer to reduce >weight? Doesn't mount the front plate (if his state issues 2)? I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects I find with my Honda. 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon fibre. Not only is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more carbon fibre in our diet. 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing backward against car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. I turned mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a lot faster. Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the lights on and the car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you left the lights on again." This technology was standard in the 1980 LeBaron. 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the battery doesn't run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda should make cars with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a hundred years ago. 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not enough Yang. I paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas milage is much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:18:46 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
<Sparky@universalexports.org> wrote: >jim beam wrote: >> Steve Mackie wrote: >> >>>> | front wheels' hub caps too can be removed, to help cool engine. >>>> My front wheels used to be too hot to touch, caused by this * flow >>>> design flaw & cheapo exhaust manifold. Removal of hub cap will >>>> let drive shaft & engine cool faster, unnecessary for well cooled >>>> engines, but for desparate users with severe overheating, this can >>>> help a bit, esp on original steel wheels with 15½" Ø plastic caps. >>> >>> You've got to be f***in kidding me. >>> >>> Plonk. >>> >>> Steve >>> >> his best one was about disconnecting the clock because the excessive >> load on the alternator robbed power... > >LOf*ingL! I'm going to save this one! :) > >Anyone give me odds he also drains the windshield washer to reduce >weight? Doesn't mount the front plate (if his state issues 2)? I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects I find with my Honda. 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon fibre. Not only is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more carbon fibre in our diet. 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing backward against car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. I turned mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a lot faster. Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the lights on and the car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you left the lights on again." This technology was standard in the 1980 LeBaron. 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the battery doesn't run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda should make cars with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a hundred years ago. 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not enough Yang. I paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas milage is much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
"Tee Hee Chia Pet" <teehee@funnyfarm.com> wrote
> I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects > I find with > my Honda. > > 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon > fibre. Not only > is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more > carbon fibre in > our diet. > > 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing > backward against > car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. > I turned > mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a > lot faster. > Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. > > 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the > lights on and the > car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you > left the > lights on again." This technology was standard in the > 1980 LeBaron. > > 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the > battery doesn't > run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda > should make cars > with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a > hundred years > ago. > > 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not > enough Yang. I > paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas > milage is > much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. Pretty good, T. :-) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
"Tee Hee Chia Pet" <teehee@funnyfarm.com> wrote
> I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects > I find with > my Honda. > > 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon > fibre. Not only > is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more > carbon fibre in > our diet. > > 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing > backward against > car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. > I turned > mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a > lot faster. > Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. > > 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the > lights on and the > car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you > left the > lights on again." This technology was standard in the > 1980 LeBaron. > > 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the > battery doesn't > run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda > should make cars > with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a > hundred years > ago. > > 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not > enough Yang. I > paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas > milage is > much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. Pretty good, T. :-) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
"Tee Hee Chia Pet" <teehee@funnyfarm.com> wrote
> I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects > I find with > my Honda. > > 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon > fibre. Not only > is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more > carbon fibre in > our diet. > > 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing > backward against > car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. > I turned > mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a > lot faster. > Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. > > 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the > lights on and the > car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you > left the > lights on again." This technology was standard in the > 1980 LeBaron. > > 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the > battery doesn't > run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda > should make cars > with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a > hundred years > ago. > > 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not > enough Yang. I > paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas > milage is > much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. Pretty good, T. :-) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
Tee Hee Chia Pet wrote:
> I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects I find with > my Honda. > > 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon fibre. Not only > is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more carbon fibre in > our diet. > > 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing backward against > car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. I turned > mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a lot faster. > Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. > > 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the lights on and the > car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you left the > lights on again." This technology was standard in the 1980 LeBaron. > > 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the battery doesn't > run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda should make cars > with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a hundred years > ago. > > 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not enough Yang. I > paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas milage is > much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. Cha-cha-cha-CHIA!! LOL! #2 is a real sleeper. I bet only a select few race teams have discovered the secret. THANKS!! #3 Hell, I almost wish the *$%^ car would curse me, rather than jangle my nerves with the constant, maddening, DING-DING-DING!!! The facility therapist says I should avoid stressful noises, and stop playing with knives.... #5 Try adding several cats. The Yowl will neutralize any Ying/Yang imbalance. Also, people will think you have some exotic, high performance parts installed. -Greg (Looking around for occasional Honda test dummy Howard Lester. He's always good for a one liner or two or three.) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
Tee Hee Chia Pet wrote:
> I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects I find with > my Honda. > > 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon fibre. Not only > is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more carbon fibre in > our diet. > > 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing backward against > car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. I turned > mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a lot faster. > Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. > > 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the lights on and the > car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you left the > lights on again." This technology was standard in the 1980 LeBaron. > > 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the battery doesn't > run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda should make cars > with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a hundred years > ago. > > 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not enough Yang. I > paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas milage is > much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. Cha-cha-cha-CHIA!! LOL! #2 is a real sleeper. I bet only a select few race teams have discovered the secret. THANKS!! #3 Hell, I almost wish the *$%^ car would curse me, rather than jangle my nerves with the constant, maddening, DING-DING-DING!!! The facility therapist says I should avoid stressful noises, and stop playing with knives.... #5 Try adding several cats. The Yowl will neutralize any Ying/Yang imbalance. Also, people will think you have some exotic, high performance parts installed. -Greg (Looking around for occasional Honda test dummy Howard Lester. He's always good for a one liner or two or three.) |
Re: design flaw : F20A 's air intake gets useless heat from radiator*coolant
Tee Hee Chia Pet wrote:
> I am Tee Hee Chia Pet and I now give you five more defects I find with > my Honda. > > 1. Exhaust system is made of metal instead of carbon fibre. Not only > is it heavier and more prone to rust but we need more carbon fibre in > our diet. > > 2. Spring loaded lid on coin box is always pushing backward against > car which slow it down and cause the battery to go dead. I turned > mine around and now it pushes the car forward and it is a lot faster. > Maserati coin box covers are all designed this way. > > 3. My battery dies all the time because I leave the lights on and the > car just chimes instead saying "Hey you ing moron, you left the > lights on again." This technology was standard in the 1980 LeBaron. > > 4. I busted the headlights with a hammer and now the battery doesn't > run down but the annoying chime still sounds. Honda should make cars > with no headlights just like Mercedes started doing a hundred years > ago. > > 5. The cabin has a poor layout. Too much Ying, not enough Yang. I > paid a Feng Shui master to adjust the Chi and now the gas milage is > much better. Also car is more at peace with the road. Cha-cha-cha-CHIA!! LOL! #2 is a real sleeper. I bet only a select few race teams have discovered the secret. THANKS!! #3 Hell, I almost wish the *$%^ car would curse me, rather than jangle my nerves with the constant, maddening, DING-DING-DING!!! The facility therapist says I should avoid stressful noises, and stop playing with knives.... #5 Try adding several cats. The Yowl will neutralize any Ying/Yang imbalance. Also, people will think you have some exotic, high performance parts installed. -Greg (Looking around for occasional Honda test dummy Howard Lester. He's always good for a one liner or two or three.) |
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