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Re: Detergent Oil
scott <scott@screwspambots.net> wrote in
news:Xns985993644ECC8nunya@207.115.17.102: > Jim, your information is very much out of date. The oldest service > bulletin from Briggs and Stratton I could easily lay my hands on was > from 1990 and even back then, 16 years ago they recommended detergent > oil. My nearly brand-new Tecumseh-engined mower's manual says I can use either straight 30-wt or 5W-30 motor oil. My choice. In fact, it came with a 20oz bottle of that "premium" 30-wt lawnmower oil. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Detergent Oil
"Brian Houghtby" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in
news:bbaXg.12460$pq4.3912@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > > "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message > news:NyMWg.10079$OE1.9352@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . >> Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. >> What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent >> oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent >> oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this >> would be great. >> >> > OK .... this answered my question. Should I consider using synthetic > or a synthetic blend? or use Honda Oil? > > > What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Detergent Oil
"Brian Houghtby" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in
news:bbaXg.12460$pq4.3912@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > > "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message > news:NyMWg.10079$OE1.9352@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . >> Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. >> What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent >> oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent >> oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this >> would be great. >> >> > OK .... this answered my question. Should I consider using synthetic > or a synthetic blend? or use Honda Oil? > > > What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Detergent Oil
"Brian Houghtby" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in
news:bbaXg.12460$pq4.3912@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > > "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message > news:NyMWg.10079$OE1.9352@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . >> Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. >> What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent >> oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent >> oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this >> would be great. >> >> > OK .... this answered my question. Should I consider using synthetic > or a synthetic blend? or use Honda Oil? > > > What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Detergent Oil
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9859E4E59BF5Btegger@207.14.116.130... > "Brian Houghtby" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in > news:bbaXg.12460$pq4.3912@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > >> >> "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message >> news:NyMWg.10079$OE1.9352@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . >>> Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. >>> What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent >>> oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent >>> oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this >>> would be great. >>> >>> >> OK .... this answered my question. Should I consider using synthetic >> or a synthetic blend? or use Honda Oil? >> >> >> > > > What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? > > -- > TeGGeR® > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ 5w20 |
Re: Detergent Oil
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9859E4E59BF5Btegger@207.14.116.130... > "Brian Houghtby" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in > news:bbaXg.12460$pq4.3912@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > >> >> "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message >> news:NyMWg.10079$OE1.9352@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . >>> Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. >>> What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent >>> oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent >>> oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this >>> would be great. >>> >>> >> OK .... this answered my question. Should I consider using synthetic >> or a synthetic blend? or use Honda Oil? >> >> >> > > > What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? > > -- > TeGGeR® > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ 5w20 |
Re: Detergent Oil
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9859E4E59BF5Btegger@207.14.116.130... > "Brian Houghtby" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in > news:bbaXg.12460$pq4.3912@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > >> >> "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message >> news:NyMWg.10079$OE1.9352@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . >>> Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. >>> What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent >>> oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent >>> oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this >>> would be great. >>> >>> >> OK .... this answered my question. Should I consider using synthetic >> or a synthetic blend? or use Honda Oil? >> >> >> > > > What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? > > -- > TeGGeR® > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ 5w20 |
Re: Detergent Oil
"Brian" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in
news:%DqXg.13104$pq4.4261@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > news:Xns9859E4E59BF5Btegger@207.14.116.130... >>> >> >> >> What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? >> > > > 5w20 > > You will never find 5W-20 that has no detergent in it. Never. Your manual, like somebody already said, contains some standard bumpf Honda has been cutting-and-pasting into every manual since Hector was a pup. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Detergent Oil
"Brian" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in
news:%DqXg.13104$pq4.4261@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > news:Xns9859E4E59BF5Btegger@207.14.116.130... >>> >> >> >> What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? >> > > > 5w20 > > You will never find 5W-20 that has no detergent in it. Never. Your manual, like somebody already said, contains some standard bumpf Honda has been cutting-and-pasting into every manual since Hector was a pup. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Detergent Oil
"Brian" <b.houghtby@eaglecrusher.com> wrote in
news:%DqXg.13104$pq4.4261@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > news:Xns9859E4E59BF5Btegger@207.14.116.130... >>> >> >> >> What's your manual say? Does it want 5W-30 or 5W-20? >> > > > 5w20 > > You will never find 5W-20 that has no detergent in it. Never. Your manual, like somebody already said, contains some standard bumpf Honda has been cutting-and-pasting into every manual since Hector was a pup. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Detergent Oil
TeGGeR® wrote:
> > Lawnmowers still use straight 30wt non-detergent oils. I have a quart > bottle of the stuff on my shelf. > > This is a good time to mention never to waste your money on those > "premium" lawnmower oils. They're just 30-wt non-detergent, at twice the > price. > You are a little out of date on that Tegger, by decades. Most small engines now specify at least SH rated motor oils not that old SA junk. (The current US automotive minimum spec is SM). For example, you can look at page 70 of the PDF for a typical Honda consumer lawn mower owners manual and see that the recommended oil is SAE 10W-30, SH or SJ rated: http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/O...n/31VB4610.PDF I picked this manual because it is readily available online, stay on topic as a "Honda" and is typical of modern equipment. You will find the same kind of recommendations for Briggs & Stratton, Kawasaki, John Deere, etc. If you are putting that SA rated non-detergent junk in your small engines you are not doing them any favors! John |
Re: Detergent Oil
TeGGeR® wrote:
> > Lawnmowers still use straight 30wt non-detergent oils. I have a quart > bottle of the stuff on my shelf. > > This is a good time to mention never to waste your money on those > "premium" lawnmower oils. They're just 30-wt non-detergent, at twice the > price. > You are a little out of date on that Tegger, by decades. Most small engines now specify at least SH rated motor oils not that old SA junk. (The current US automotive minimum spec is SM). For example, you can look at page 70 of the PDF for a typical Honda consumer lawn mower owners manual and see that the recommended oil is SAE 10W-30, SH or SJ rated: http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/O...n/31VB4610.PDF I picked this manual because it is readily available online, stay on topic as a "Honda" and is typical of modern equipment. You will find the same kind of recommendations for Briggs & Stratton, Kawasaki, John Deere, etc. If you are putting that SA rated non-detergent junk in your small engines you are not doing them any favors! John |
Re: Detergent Oil
TeGGeR® wrote:
> > Lawnmowers still use straight 30wt non-detergent oils. I have a quart > bottle of the stuff on my shelf. > > This is a good time to mention never to waste your money on those > "premium" lawnmower oils. They're just 30-wt non-detergent, at twice the > price. > You are a little out of date on that Tegger, by decades. Most small engines now specify at least SH rated motor oils not that old SA junk. (The current US automotive minimum spec is SM). For example, you can look at page 70 of the PDF for a typical Honda consumer lawn mower owners manual and see that the recommended oil is SAE 10W-30, SH or SJ rated: http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/O...n/31VB4610.PDF I picked this manual because it is readily available online, stay on topic as a "Honda" and is typical of modern equipment. You will find the same kind of recommendations for Briggs & Stratton, Kawasaki, John Deere, etc. If you are putting that SA rated non-detergent junk in your small engines you are not doing them any favors! John |
Re: Detergent Oil
TeGGeR® wrote:
> scott <scott@screwspambots.net> wrote in > news:Xns985993644ECC8nunya@207.115.17.102: > >> Jim, your information is very much out of date. The oldest service >> bulletin from Briggs and Stratton I could easily lay my hands on was >> from 1990 and even back then, 16 years ago they recommended detergent >> oil. > > > > My nearly brand-new Tecumseh-engined mower's manual says I can use either > straight 30-wt or 5W-30 motor oil. My choice. In fact, it came with a 20oz > bottle of that "premium" 30-wt lawnmower oil. > > > Ah, but it didn't say to use non-detergent oil, did it? Tecumseh is saying you can use a fully formulated straight 30 or multi-grade 5W-30. I don't think there even is such a thing as a non-detergent multi-grade oil. That non-detergent SA crap is straight weight. In 2004 the auto makers association did a big test of the impacts of using SA oil in modern engines by doing detailed comparison tests. They are really trying to get that junk off the market so that fools who buy the cheapest thing on the shelf at their local convenience store don't grenade their engines. Have a look: http://www.ilma.org/resources/impact_lowqualityoils.pdf John John |
Re: Detergent Oil
TeGGeR® wrote:
> scott <scott@screwspambots.net> wrote in > news:Xns985993644ECC8nunya@207.115.17.102: > >> Jim, your information is very much out of date. The oldest service >> bulletin from Briggs and Stratton I could easily lay my hands on was >> from 1990 and even back then, 16 years ago they recommended detergent >> oil. > > > > My nearly brand-new Tecumseh-engined mower's manual says I can use either > straight 30-wt or 5W-30 motor oil. My choice. In fact, it came with a 20oz > bottle of that "premium" 30-wt lawnmower oil. > > > Ah, but it didn't say to use non-detergent oil, did it? Tecumseh is saying you can use a fully formulated straight 30 or multi-grade 5W-30. I don't think there even is such a thing as a non-detergent multi-grade oil. That non-detergent SA crap is straight weight. In 2004 the auto makers association did a big test of the impacts of using SA oil in modern engines by doing detailed comparison tests. They are really trying to get that junk off the market so that fools who buy the cheapest thing on the shelf at their local convenience store don't grenade their engines. Have a look: http://www.ilma.org/resources/impact_lowqualityoils.pdf John John |
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