Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

<dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
news:c0gpik$r21$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In rec.autos.makers.honda Pankoski <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote:
> > Worrying about it won't help the transmission but could lead to personal
> > health problems. I would make the service organization note their potential
> > mistake just in case of future problems. The probability of any problems
> > occuring is low.
>
> I felt that way when JiffyLube changed the filter in my Dodge Durango
> transmission incorrectly. It took two hours to get the chagne done, with
> my car occupying one of the two service racks, because they drained my
> fluid before they realized they didn't have my filter. Then the
> independent parts house didn't have one either, although they brought
> something over that wasn't right. Then they had to get authorization to
> buy a dealer-only part... 2000 Dodge Durango 4WD must be rare.
>

<snip rest of good story>

Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.

--
Mike

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

<dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
news:c0gpik$r21$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In rec.autos.makers.honda Pankoski <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote:
> > Worrying about it won't help the transmission but could lead to personal
> > health problems. I would make the service organization note their potential
> > mistake just in case of future problems. The probability of any problems
> > occuring is low.
>
> I felt that way when JiffyLube changed the filter in my Dodge Durango
> transmission incorrectly. It took two hours to get the chagne done, with
> my car occupying one of the two service racks, because they drained my
> fluid before they realized they didn't have my filter. Then the
> independent parts house didn't have one either, although they brought
> something over that wasn't right. Then they had to get authorization to
> buy a dealer-only part... 2000 Dodge Durango 4WD must be rare.
>

<snip rest of good story>

Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.

--
Mike

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip rest of good story>

> Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.

Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.

I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
talent to deal with this particular job.


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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip rest of good story>

> Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.

Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.

I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
talent to deal with this particular job.


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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip rest of good story>

> Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.

Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.

I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
talent to deal with this particular job.


--
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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip rest of good story>

> Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.

Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.

I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
talent to deal with this particular job.


--
---
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:
> In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>><snip rest of good story>
>
>
>>Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.
>
>
> Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
> those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
> special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
> my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.
>
> I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
> with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
> talent to deal with this particular job.
>
=============

Isn't Jiffy Lube the equivalent to Radio Shack?

"You've got Questions, We've got Acne"

'Curly'

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Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:
> In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>><snip rest of good story>
>
>
>>Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.
>
>
> Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
> those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
> special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
> my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.
>
> I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
> with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
> talent to deal with this particular job.
>
=============

Isn't Jiffy Lube the equivalent to Radio Shack?

"You've got Questions, We've got Acne"

'Curly'

===============

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:
> In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>><snip rest of good story>
>
>
>>Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.
>
>
> Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
> those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
> special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
> my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.
>
> I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
> with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
> talent to deal with this particular job.
>
=============

Isn't Jiffy Lube the equivalent to Radio Shack?

"You've got Questions, We've got Acne"

'Curly'

===============

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:
> In rec.autos.makers.honda Mike O'Malley <momalley81@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>><snip rest of good story>
>
>
>>Which is why friends don't let friends go to Jiffy Lube.
>
>
> Doggone it. I've been reduced to taking vehicles to the dealer except for
> those things that are simple enough for me to do, but too dirty, or require
> special tools. Those I trust to the local wrench. I used to do more, but
> my list of what I want to do is getting slimmer.
>
> I really wasn't sure how to "neatly" change the fluid in a transmission
> with no drain plug. I thought that JiffyLube had enough experience and
> talent to deal with this particular job.
>
=============

Isn't Jiffy Lube the equivalent to Radio Shack?

"You've got Questions, We've got Acne"

'Curly'

===============

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:

> Then they had to get authorization to
> buy a dealer-only part... 2000 Dodge Durango 4WD must be rare.

What engine? 4.7L? If its a 4.7L then it might have been remotely
possible that they were telling the truth as that is a "new" (well, 5
years old NOW) transmission and parts might not have started showing up
on Jiffy Scroob's shelves yet. But if its a 5.2 or 5.9, then it takes
exactly the same filter that ALL Chrysler rear-drive transmissions have
used since 1966. The thing's so darn common that it normally comes in a
box with 2 or 3 different gaskets to fit the different oil pans on the
transmissions it has been used in! Should be common as dirt.

Sounds like a completely incompetent shop to me. That said, I can't
imagine any real damage done. The clutch plates and bands are all
saturated with fluid even when you drain the fluid, and the convertor
remains half full.Ever tried to wipe all the transmission fluid off a
metal part? Its hard to do DELIBERATELY, and the plates have absorbent
friction materials on them to boot. On top of that, they would have
refilled the transmission even if the filter was on wrong (can't imagine
how to do that either, there's pretty much only one way it fits),
meaning that the case itself was full of standing oil and the clutches
and band drums were "dipping" in fluid as the engine rotated them. And
on top of that, Chrysler rear-drive transmissions are among the toughest
made... forget it and enjoy the car.

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:

> Then they had to get authorization to
> buy a dealer-only part... 2000 Dodge Durango 4WD must be rare.

What engine? 4.7L? If its a 4.7L then it might have been remotely
possible that they were telling the truth as that is a "new" (well, 5
years old NOW) transmission and parts might not have started showing up
on Jiffy Scroob's shelves yet. But if its a 5.2 or 5.9, then it takes
exactly the same filter that ALL Chrysler rear-drive transmissions have
used since 1966. The thing's so darn common that it normally comes in a
box with 2 or 3 different gaskets to fit the different oil pans on the
transmissions it has been used in! Should be common as dirt.

Sounds like a completely incompetent shop to me. That said, I can't
imagine any real damage done. The clutch plates and bands are all
saturated with fluid even when you drain the fluid, and the convertor
remains half full.Ever tried to wipe all the transmission fluid off a
metal part? Its hard to do DELIBERATELY, and the plates have absorbent
friction materials on them to boot. On top of that, they would have
refilled the transmission even if the filter was on wrong (can't imagine
how to do that either, there's pretty much only one way it fits),
meaning that the case itself was full of standing oil and the clutches
and band drums were "dipping" in fluid as the engine rotated them. And
on top of that, Chrysler rear-drive transmissions are among the toughest
made... forget it and enjoy the car.

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:

> Then they had to get authorization to
> buy a dealer-only part... 2000 Dodge Durango 4WD must be rare.

What engine? 4.7L? If its a 4.7L then it might have been remotely
possible that they were telling the truth as that is a "new" (well, 5
years old NOW) transmission and parts might not have started showing up
on Jiffy Scroob's shelves yet. But if its a 5.2 or 5.9, then it takes
exactly the same filter that ALL Chrysler rear-drive transmissions have
used since 1966. The thing's so darn common that it normally comes in a
box with 2 or 3 different gaskets to fit the different oil pans on the
transmissions it has been used in! Should be common as dirt.

Sounds like a completely incompetent shop to me. That said, I can't
imagine any real damage done. The clutch plates and bands are all
saturated with fluid even when you drain the fluid, and the convertor
remains half full.Ever tried to wipe all the transmission fluid off a
metal part? Its hard to do DELIBERATELY, and the plates have absorbent
friction materials on them to boot. On top of that, they would have
refilled the transmission even if the filter was on wrong (can't imagine
how to do that either, there's pretty much only one way it fits),
meaning that the case itself was full of standing oil and the clutches
and band drums were "dipping" in fluid as the engine rotated them. And
on top of that, Chrysler rear-drive transmissions are among the toughest
made... forget it and enjoy the car.

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:

> Then they had to get authorization to
> buy a dealer-only part... 2000 Dodge Durango 4WD must be rare.

What engine? 4.7L? If its a 4.7L then it might have been remotely
possible that they were telling the truth as that is a "new" (well, 5
years old NOW) transmission and parts might not have started showing up
on Jiffy Scroob's shelves yet. But if its a 5.2 or 5.9, then it takes
exactly the same filter that ALL Chrysler rear-drive transmissions have
used since 1966. The thing's so darn common that it normally comes in a
box with 2 or 3 different gaskets to fit the different oil pans on the
transmissions it has been used in! Should be common as dirt.

Sounds like a completely incompetent shop to me. That said, I can't
imagine any real damage done. The clutch plates and bands are all
saturated with fluid even when you drain the fluid, and the convertor
remains half full.Ever tried to wipe all the transmission fluid off a
metal part? Its hard to do DELIBERATELY, and the plates have absorbent
friction materials on them to boot. On top of that, they would have
refilled the transmission even if the filter was on wrong (can't imagine
how to do that either, there's pretty much only one way it fits),
meaning that the case itself was full of standing oil and the clutches
and band drums were "dipping" in fluid as the engine rotated them. And
on top of that, Chrysler rear-drive transmissions are among the toughest
made... forget it and enjoy the car.

Re: Driving without adequate ATF.
 

In rec.autos.makers.honda Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
> dold@DrivingXwi.usenet.us.com wrote:

>> Then they had to get authorization to
>> buy a dealer-only part... 2000 Dodge Durango 4WD must be rare.

> What engine? 4.7L? If its a 4.7L then it might have been remotely
> possible that they were telling the truth as that is a "new" (well, 5

2000 was the first year for the 4.7. But the tranny job was in 2002 or
2003... I would think there would have been some demand by then. The
recommendation is every 30,000 miles. I had a second one done recently by
the local tire shop, and they couldn't locate the filter either. They
wound up changing the fluid twice because they had already drained before
they found out they didn't have the filter...

Odd way to work. I always make sure I have the parts before I start.
I also take the filler plug out before the drain plug, ever since my 1967
Datsun Roadster was shipped with an iron plug in an aluminum case... The
dealer puts the fluid in through the backup light switch, because the fill
plug is impossible to remove.

> made... forget it and enjoy the car.

I had almost forgotten until this second go 'round. I almost bough the
filter at a Dodge dealer in the big city before I took it in to the local
shop, expecting that they would have trouble. Next time, I will.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5