EGR valve...
#46
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Re: EGR valve...
w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
#47
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Re: EGR valve...
w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
#49
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Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
was in the 60s)."
I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
in 1962.
Can you help?
The Artful Codger
"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FB515A8.DC8448CB@hotmail.com...
> I used to open 1960s carburetors constantly. The float was
> never anywhere near to spec. But then I began learning it did
> not have to be. We simply dumped so much 1960 gasoline down
> the tube and everything worked fine. Bean counters learned
> that carburetor adjustments could be ignored. Some cars did
> not run as well, but they all ran good enough to sell (ie your
> 302 that only got 12 MPG). Carburetors were very crude
> devices.
#50
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Re: EGR valve...
Artfulcodger wrote:
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#51
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Re: EGR valve...
Artfulcodger wrote:
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#52
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Re: EGR valve...
Artfulcodger wrote:
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#53
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Re: EGR valve...
Artfulcodger wrote:
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60s)."
>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
> in 1962.
29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#54
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Re: EGR valve...
From a CPI table from the government:
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
From a CPI table from the government:
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
From a CPI table from the government:
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
From a CPI table from the government:
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
$0.299 per gallon in 1957 is $1.98 today.
$0.299 in 1962 is $1.84 today.
$0.399 in 1968 is $2.13 toady.
But I remember gas at $0.329 in 1972; which is $1.46 today.
Compare facts to popularly held opinions. Today people
complain price of gas is too high.
IOW they live on their emotions; and not upon facts. Same
is true about anti-pollution equipment in cars in the early
1970s. Those spin doctors told us that they were putting
numerous anti-pollution devices in cars. Mostly bull. But
even mechanics would believe it because no one first bothered
to discover what was being intalled. Anti-pollution equipment
was a carbon canister system to capture gas tank fumes
(developed by Esso as it was called back then) and retard the
cam in relation to the crank (which was retarded as much as 9
and 10 degrees). Although EGR valve also participated in
lowering Nitrous oxides, EGR really was more a combustion
moderator. Instead of slapping the piston (loss of energy),
the gasoline ignited slower. This made a smoother push on the
piston, causes a more complete burning of gasoline, and
lowered combustion temperatures thereby creating less NOxs.
To create NOx, energy had to be taken from the engine. NOx
out the exhaust pipe is energy thrown away; and called
pollution. IOW break up Nitrogen oxides to get nitrogen,
oxygen ... and more energy. No pollution. Engine that
outputs more energy.
And yet because so many only use emotion to decide, then
most people believed lies from auto executives - people who
did not even have driver's licenses - who could not even
drive. Most early 70s people believed the lie that increased
pollution control meant lower gas mileage. Car mileage went
from 15 and 18 MPG down to 8 and 11 MPG because automakers
chose the simplest and least efficient method - retard cam.
Still that was acceptable! Price of energy was irrelevant.
That was until the price of gas skyrocketed. In today's
money, gasoline went from $1.50 per gallon to $2.71. Then it
jumped to about $3.50 per gallon. Did that get your
attention? It did in the mid 1970s.
Back in the 60s, no one cared about gas mileage. We built
new homes with NO insulation even in the 70s. All this when
energy was more expensive. Go figure! Today, we still care
more about gas mileage and even insulate houses. Why? Energy
is cheaper.
An engineer learns long ago - people are manipulated by
their emotions - not by facts. It is, after all, why a
president can lie repeatedly, when facts make it obvious what
he is saying is seriously suspect. And yet we would still
invade a sovereign nation on what we now know were a long list
of lies. Spin doctors know how to play us because and for
example, many people have no idea that gasoline was at the
lowest prices in mankind history during the 90s. Gasoline had
never been cheaper - once emotion is replaced by facts.
For that matter, organizations such as EPA, Honda, and
Toyota caused increasing mileage and horsepower by reducing
pollution. Such concepts were hearsay in organizations run by
'bean counters' such as GM where innovation, innovators, and
new products are expenses - a necessary evil.
And so we have a real reason for the movie 'Roger and Me'.
He lies. Too many of us believe. Economy suffers.
Fortunately enough of us were fed up with reality and voted
against people like Henry Ford of Ford, Roger Smith of GM, and
Townsend and Richardo of Chrysler. We bought Hondas and other
products designed by 'car guys'. Learning facts rather than
kowtowing to the emotional conclusions of liars is what the
real patriot does. He learns facts and believes in free
markets. Facts say energy is cheap. Probably too cheap.
Cheaper than before 1970s gas crisis. Facts also say that
patriotic companies don't hype emotion. They promote
innovation - such as hybrid technology. Patriots buy from
innovators - not from those who 'spin doctor' reality while
stifling innovation.
In the 1960s, the engineer who developed an EGR valve and
other innovative ideas for less pollution was banned from the
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) because he was doing
what top auto executives feared. He innovated many of the
concepts that would have remained stifled had it not been for
intelligence in the EPA. But again, another story that runs
contrary to wide public 'emotion'.
Normal price for gas would be more like $1.80 or $1.90 per
gallon - based upon facts of history.
Gus wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one
>> was concerned with mileage and price of gas (even though
>> gasoline is cheaper today than it was in the 60s)."
>>
> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring
> are you using to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have
> had to been less than 25 cents to hold true. For the life of
> me I can't remember what it did cost say in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only
> unleaded around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
On 11/15/03 11:42 PM, in article
O6Etb.14116$YZ2.4608111@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Gus"
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
>> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
>> was in the 60s)."
>>
>> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
>> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
>> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
>> in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
> around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
>
I was paying .25 a gallon in Dayton Ohio in 1968. Northern Illinois was .34
at the brand name stations that year.
O6Etb.14116$YZ2.4608111@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Gus"
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
>> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
>> was in the 60s)."
>>
>> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
>> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
>> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
>> in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
> around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
>
I was paying .25 a gallon in Dayton Ohio in 1968. Northern Illinois was .34
at the brand name stations that year.
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
On 11/15/03 11:42 PM, in article
O6Etb.14116$YZ2.4608111@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Gus"
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
>> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
>> was in the 60s)."
>>
>> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
>> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
>> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
>> in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
> around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
>
I was paying .25 a gallon in Dayton Ohio in 1968. Northern Illinois was .34
at the brand name stations that year.
O6Etb.14116$YZ2.4608111@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Gus"
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
>> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
>> was in the 60s)."
>>
>> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
>> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
>> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
>> in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
> around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
>
I was paying .25 a gallon in Dayton Ohio in 1968. Northern Illinois was .34
at the brand name stations that year.
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: EGR valve...
On 11/15/03 11:42 PM, in article
O6Etb.14116$YZ2.4608111@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Gus"
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
>> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
>> was in the 60s)."
>>
>> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
>> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
>> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
>> in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
> around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
>
I was paying .25 a gallon in Dayton Ohio in 1968. Northern Illinois was .34
at the brand name stations that year.
O6Etb.14116$YZ2.4608111@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Gus"
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Artfulcodger wrote:
>
>> w_tom in your following post you stated : "In the 60s, no one was concerned
>> with mileage and price of gas (even though gasoline is cheaper today than it
>> was in the 60s)."
>>
>> I have often wondered how that does compare --what factoring are you using
>> to come up with this. Seems to me gas would have had to been less than 25
>> cents to hold true. For the life of me I can't remember what it did cost say
>> in 1962.
>
> 29.9/gallon for regular late 50's-early 60's. Amoco premium was
> routinely 39.9/gallon late 60's-early 70's when it was the only unleaded
> around. This is in the CT & NJ area.
>
I was paying .25 a gallon in Dayton Ohio in 1968. Northern Illinois was .34
at the brand name stations that year.