johngdole@hotmail.com

Yeah, I hope the next iteration of Saturn Aura or GMC Acacia are even
better. I already like the new 3.6L V6 (LY7) with the Hydramatic 6L
(6T70?) series tranny.

On May 3, 5:18 am, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I think the Michigan 3 are doing a great job with new designs. It
> is a matter of taste.
>

johngdole@hotmail.com

Yeah, I hope the next iteration of Saturn Aura or GMC Acacia are even
better. I already like the new 3.6L V6 (LY7) with the Hydramatic 6L
(6T70?) series tranny.

On May 3, 5:18 am, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I think the Michigan 3 are doing a great job with new designs. It
> is a matter of taste.
>

mred

On May 5, 2:02 pm, "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote:
> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience.
> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major
> problem with was an old Audi Fox.
> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident. Insurance
> company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair.
> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the car
> was out of warranty.
> 2 Mazda's no problems
> 3 Volvos no problems
> 6 Hondas no problems
> 1 Isuzu no problems
> 1 Mitsubishi no problems
> 1 Nissan no problems
>
> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted to.
> All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American cars we
> had.
>
> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5n3%h.2237$Q96.481@trnddc04...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >news:YIqdnaG7s-5JIqHbnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Let's see if I can remember them all
> >> Jeep Cherokee - The worst.
>
> > My uncle had a Jeep Cherokee that went over 200,000 mi without problems or
> > even replacing the brake pads. It was kind of cold in the winter though.
> > Needed a new thermostat.
>
> >>This thing was in the shop ever few months.
> >> brake, transmission and axel problems. She went over some train tracks
> >> once, not hard mind you and the steering wheel became off center. The
> >> steering wheel always look like she was turning left even when she was
> >> driving straight. This happened twice.
>
> >> Ford Escape - great for the first 35K, then got noisy and the
> >> transmission
> >> started slipping.
>
> >> Dodge Grand Caravan - was okay
>
> >> Ford Windstar ***** and parts started falling off within the first few
> >> thousand miles. We only had this car for about 20K, she then changed
> >> jobs.
>
> >> Pontiac Grand Prix was okay, then developed a a clicking in the steering
> >> wheel. The steering wasn't smooth, you could feel while turning.
>
> >> Chevrolet Equinox- only had this one for 8K, job change again. Was fairly
> >> nice vehicle. Ride was way too soft though, felt like we were floating.
>
> > Likewise, you're going to find people who have had excellent service from
> > these vehicles and others who didn't. Likewise for the Toyotas and Hondas.
>
> > Jeff
>
> >> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:T%1%h.176$HR1.174@trnddc01...
>
> >>> "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:bvadnezc3JJZBaHbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.c om...
> >>>> My problem with American cars is not with design. Some of them look
> >>>> quite nice. It's the long term quality of the car. My wife gets a new
> >>>> company car every couple of years. The are usually great for the 30K
> >>>> miles or so. Around 35 to 40K they start have little issues, they seem
> >>>> to get louder and the ride is a noticeably rougher. On a couple of the
> >>>> vehicles you could feel the transmission start to slip. By the time she
> >>>> turns it in at around 60K miles, we can't wait to get rid of it.
>
> >>> I have a '97 Contour with over 140k mi on it. It still runs and handles
> >>> great. Great long-term quality.
>
> >>> I have heard similar things about other Fords, Toyotas, Chevys, Hondas,
> >>> etc.
>
> >>> They all make good cars that last a long time.
>
> >>> Just what models did your wife get?
>
> >>> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have had 2 Accords; one `86 with 250,000 k on it and a `92 that had
315,000 k on it when it was totaled . the `86 was poor on brakes .But
it was a GOOD car, travelled Montana when they had a prima facie speed
limit 110 MPH all the way across.

No problems at all and it was a 1990 CC x4 if I remember correctly.

The `92 was just regular maintenance .A good solid reliable car

I have owned many cars in my life including Studebaker and Nash,
Ford ,GM and Chrysler .and I will have to say the two Hondas were the
most trouble free Japanese manufactured cars I have EVER owned.(made
in Japan)

Both cars were bought used
Ed

mred

On May 5, 2:02 pm, "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote:
> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience.
> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major
> problem with was an old Audi Fox.
> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident. Insurance
> company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair.
> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the car
> was out of warranty.
> 2 Mazda's no problems
> 3 Volvos no problems
> 6 Hondas no problems
> 1 Isuzu no problems
> 1 Mitsubishi no problems
> 1 Nissan no problems
>
> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted to.
> All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American cars we
> had.
>
> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5n3%h.2237$Q96.481@trnddc04...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >news:YIqdnaG7s-5JIqHbnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Let's see if I can remember them all
> >> Jeep Cherokee - The worst.
>
> > My uncle had a Jeep Cherokee that went over 200,000 mi without problems or
> > even replacing the brake pads. It was kind of cold in the winter though.
> > Needed a new thermostat.
>
> >>This thing was in the shop ever few months.
> >> brake, transmission and axel problems. She went over some train tracks
> >> once, not hard mind you and the steering wheel became off center. The
> >> steering wheel always look like she was turning left even when she was
> >> driving straight. This happened twice.
>
> >> Ford Escape - great for the first 35K, then got noisy and the
> >> transmission
> >> started slipping.
>
> >> Dodge Grand Caravan - was okay
>
> >> Ford Windstar ***** and parts started falling off within the first few
> >> thousand miles. We only had this car for about 20K, she then changed
> >> jobs.
>
> >> Pontiac Grand Prix was okay, then developed a a clicking in the steering
> >> wheel. The steering wasn't smooth, you could feel while turning.
>
> >> Chevrolet Equinox- only had this one for 8K, job change again. Was fairly
> >> nice vehicle. Ride was way too soft though, felt like we were floating.
>
> > Likewise, you're going to find people who have had excellent service from
> > these vehicles and others who didn't. Likewise for the Toyotas and Hondas.
>
> > Jeff
>
> >> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:T%1%h.176$HR1.174@trnddc01...
>
> >>> "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:bvadnezc3JJZBaHbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.c om...
> >>>> My problem with American cars is not with design. Some of them look
> >>>> quite nice. It's the long term quality of the car. My wife gets a new
> >>>> company car every couple of years. The are usually great for the 30K
> >>>> miles or so. Around 35 to 40K they start have little issues, they seem
> >>>> to get louder and the ride is a noticeably rougher. On a couple of the
> >>>> vehicles you could feel the transmission start to slip. By the time she
> >>>> turns it in at around 60K miles, we can't wait to get rid of it.
>
> >>> I have a '97 Contour with over 140k mi on it. It still runs and handles
> >>> great. Great long-term quality.
>
> >>> I have heard similar things about other Fords, Toyotas, Chevys, Hondas,
> >>> etc.
>
> >>> They all make good cars that last a long time.
>
> >>> Just what models did your wife get?
>
> >>> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have had 2 Accords; one `86 with 250,000 k on it and a `92 that had
315,000 k on it when it was totaled . the `86 was poor on brakes .But
it was a GOOD car, travelled Montana when they had a prima facie speed
limit 110 MPH all the way across.

No problems at all and it was a 1990 CC x4 if I remember correctly.

The `92 was just regular maintenance .A good solid reliable car

I have owned many cars in my life including Studebaker and Nash,
Ford ,GM and Chrysler .and I will have to say the two Hondas were the
most trouble free Japanese manufactured cars I have EVER owned.(made
in Japan)

Both cars were bought used
Ed

Jeff

"mred" <mred@295.ca> wrote in message
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<...>


> I have had 2 Accords; one `86 with 250,000 k on it and a `92 that had
> 315,000 k on it when it was totaled . the `86 was poor on brakes .But
> it was a GOOD car, travelled Montana when they had a prima facie speed
> limit 110 MPH all the way across.

They had the speed limit posted at 110 MPH?

Jeff

> No problems at all and it was a 1990 CC x4 if I remember correctly.
>
> The `92 was just regular maintenance .A good solid reliable car
>
> I have owned many cars in my life including Studebaker and Nash,
> Ford ,GM and Chrysler .and I will have to say the two Hondas were the
> most trouble free Japanese manufactured cars I have EVER owned.(made
> in Japan)
>
> Both cars were bought used
> Ed
>

Jeff

"mred" <mred@295.ca> wrote in message
news:1178540899.029371.165660@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
<...>


> I have had 2 Accords; one `86 with 250,000 k on it and a `92 that had
> 315,000 k on it when it was totaled . the `86 was poor on brakes .But
> it was a GOOD car, travelled Montana when they had a prima facie speed
> limit 110 MPH all the way across.

They had the speed limit posted at 110 MPH?

Jeff

> No problems at all and it was a 1990 CC x4 if I remember correctly.
>
> The `92 was just regular maintenance .A good solid reliable car
>
> I have owned many cars in my life including Studebaker and Nash,
> Ford ,GM and Chrysler .and I will have to say the two Hondas were the
> most trouble free Japanese manufactured cars I have EVER owned.(made
> in Japan)
>
> Both cars were bought used
> Ed
>

Mike Hunter

You are kidding, right? I'll bet you were never in the used car business,
if that is what you believe. Go to a use car lot or dealership and look at
some of the cars, as they are traded, then go back a week or so later and
look at the same car when it is for sale on the used car lot.

When one is looking at the high mileage cars you seem to prefer, what
differance can it make? Any average annual mileage car in ten years is
going to have at least 150K to 175K, on the clock. Any car that will last
the best part of a year is worth the selling price of any car ten years old
with over 150K on the clock. If one is deciding which 150K car to buy the
one with the set of new tires would likely be the best choice. Why would
anybody repair a vehicle with 150K or more on the clock when the cost of the
repair will pay half the cost of another 150K vehicle?. LOL

mike


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:0-SdnWO8L4Qnf6DbnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@sedona.net...
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:gtadnbJJwOxGR6DbnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>
>> When one buys a used car they have no idea how that car was used or
>> abused, or whether it was properly maintained, or not. It make no
>> difference what brand name is on the hood,
>>
>
> On that we differ - not about the brand, but the inability to determine
> how the car has been maintained or treated. I avoid buying used cars under
> 80K miles because at 50K miles it *is* hard to tell how it has lived, but
> at 100K it is hard to hide. If there are no known "killer" issues with
> that m/m/y and it passes five minutes of examination the chances of
> getting at least 100K miles more service out of a 100K mile car are better
> than getting 100K miles more out of a 50K car - at least, that's my
> experience. The only 100K+ car I've ever bought that didn't make it
> another 100K in good style was a Nissan 300ZX that I lusted after so much
> I ignored the warning of traces of rust in the radiator, which is a
> deal-breaker.
>
> The make, model and year (and power train or other options within that
> model and year) are huge factors in what a buyer can expect out of a car.
> Realistically, make is no more important than model or year in that
> formula.
>
> Mike
>
>

Mike Hunter

You are kidding, right? I'll bet you were never in the used car business,
if that is what you believe. Go to a use car lot or dealership and look at
some of the cars, as they are traded, then go back a week or so later and
look at the same car when it is for sale on the used car lot.

When one is looking at the high mileage cars you seem to prefer, what
differance can it make? Any average annual mileage car in ten years is
going to have at least 150K to 175K, on the clock. Any car that will last
the best part of a year is worth the selling price of any car ten years old
with over 150K on the clock. If one is deciding which 150K car to buy the
one with the set of new tires would likely be the best choice. Why would
anybody repair a vehicle with 150K or more on the clock when the cost of the
repair will pay half the cost of another 150K vehicle?. LOL

mike


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:0-SdnWO8L4Qnf6DbnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@sedona.net...
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:gtadnbJJwOxGR6DbnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>
>> When one buys a used car they have no idea how that car was used or
>> abused, or whether it was properly maintained, or not. It make no
>> difference what brand name is on the hood,
>>
>
> On that we differ - not about the brand, but the inability to determine
> how the car has been maintained or treated. I avoid buying used cars under
> 80K miles because at 50K miles it *is* hard to tell how it has lived, but
> at 100K it is hard to hide. If there are no known "killer" issues with
> that m/m/y and it passes five minutes of examination the chances of
> getting at least 100K miles more service out of a 100K mile car are better
> than getting 100K miles more out of a 50K car - at least, that's my
> experience. The only 100K+ car I've ever bought that didn't make it
> another 100K in good style was a Nissan 300ZX that I lusted after so much
> I ignored the warning of traces of rust in the radiator, which is a
> deal-breaker.
>
> The make, model and year (and power train or other options within that
> model and year) are huge factors in what a buyer can expect out of a car.
> Realistically, make is no more important than model or year in that
> formula.
>
> Mike
>
>

Mike Hunter

I sold the last Lexus I owned, to one of my brothers-in law in 1999, when I
switched back to buying domestics. It was a 1997 LS V8. There was around
35K on the clock. He has other vehicles and only put around 10K or 12K on
the car annually. He sold it in 2006 with less than 90K on the clock
because it was costing him a fortune in repairs. $1,500
for a rebuilt water pump. $3,500 for a digital dash, $6,900 to repair the
tranny, all in one year.

The half dozen or so Lexus' I owned were great cars, but no better than my
subsequent
luxury domestics, that cost me many thousands less to buy. One of the
reasons I stopped buying from the Lexus dealer was it was costing me the
better part of $300, every time, for the scheduled maintenance.


mike

"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ffm%h.7336$Ut6.2984@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>
>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with
> an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre
> mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
> Ed
>

Mike Hunter

I sold the last Lexus I owned, to one of my brothers-in law in 1999, when I
switched back to buying domestics. It was a 1997 LS V8. There was around
35K on the clock. He has other vehicles and only put around 10K or 12K on
the car annually. He sold it in 2006 with less than 90K on the clock
because it was costing him a fortune in repairs. $1,500
for a rebuilt water pump. $3,500 for a digital dash, $6,900 to repair the
tranny, all in one year.

The half dozen or so Lexus' I owned were great cars, but no better than my
subsequent
luxury domestics, that cost me many thousands less to buy. One of the
reasons I stopped buying from the Lexus dealer was it was costing me the
better part of $300, every time, for the scheduled maintenance.


mike

"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ffm%h.7336$Ut6.2984@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>
>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with
> an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre
> mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
> Ed
>

Mike Hunter

The chassis first used on the Mazda6 was designed by Ford engineers. The
Fusion uses the same basic chassis but the Fusion is nothing like the
Mazda6. The drive train is different as well. You might want to search the
NHTSA site for the safety ratings for both if you believe the Fusion is
'less safe' than the Mazda 6 in their crash tests.


mike

<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Fusion was a redesigned Mazda 6, and it was less safe than the Mazda
> 6 in crash
> tests. I'm staying away from Fords until they improve for sure.

Mike Hunter

The chassis first used on the Mazda6 was designed by Ford engineers. The
Fusion uses the same basic chassis but the Fusion is nothing like the
Mazda6. The drive train is different as well. You might want to search the
NHTSA site for the safety ratings for both if you believe the Fusion is
'less safe' than the Mazda 6 in their crash tests.


mike

<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Fusion was a redesigned Mazda 6, and it was less safe than the Mazda
> 6 in crash
> tests. I'm staying away from Fords until they improve for sure.

Mike Hunter

You were lucky I guess


mike


"mred" <mred@295.ca> wrote in message
news:1178540899.029371.165660@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> On May 5, 2:02 pm, "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote:
>> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience.
>> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major
>> problem with was an old Audi Fox.
>> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident.
>> Insurance
>> company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair.
>> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the
>> car
>> was out of warranty.
>> 2 Mazda's no problems
>> 3 Volvos no problems
>> 6 Hondas no problems
>> 1 Isuzu no problems
>> 1 Mitsubishi no problems
>> 1 Nissan no problems
>>
>> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted
>> to.
>> All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American cars
>> we
>> had.
>>
>> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5n3%h.2237$Q96.481@trnddc04...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> >news:YIqdnaG7s-5JIqHbnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> Let's see if I can remember them all
>> >> Jeep Cherokee - The worst.
>>
>> > My uncle had a Jeep Cherokee that went over 200,000 mi without problems
>> > or
>> > even replacing the brake pads. It was kind of cold in the winter
>> > though.
>> > Needed a new thermostat.
>>
>> >>This thing was in the shop ever few months.
>> >> brake, transmission and axel problems. She went over some train
>> >> tracks
>> >> once, not hard mind you and the steering wheel became off center. The
>> >> steering wheel always look like she was turning left even when she was
>> >> driving straight. This happened twice.
>>
>> >> Ford Escape - great for the first 35K, then got noisy and the
>> >> transmission
>> >> started slipping.
>>
>> >> Dodge Grand Caravan - was okay
>>
>> >> Ford Windstar ***** and parts started falling off within the first few
>> >> thousand miles. We only had this car for about 20K, she then changed
>> >> jobs.
>>
>> >> Pontiac Grand Prix was okay, then developed a a clicking in the
>> >> steering
>> >> wheel. The steering wasn't smooth, you could feel while turning.
>>
>> >> Chevrolet Equinox- only had this one for 8K, job change again. Was
>> >> fairly
>> >> nice vehicle. Ride was way too soft though, felt like we were
>> >> floating.
>>
>> > Likewise, you're going to find people who have had excellent service
>> > from
>> > these vehicles and others who didn't. Likewise for the Toyotas and
>> > Hondas.
>>
>> > Jeff
>>
>> >> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:T%1%h.176$HR1.174@trnddc01...
>>
>> >>> "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:bvadnezc3JJZBaHbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>> >>>> My problem with American cars is not with design. Some of them look
>> >>>> quite nice. It's the long term quality of the car. My wife gets a
>> >>>> new
>> >>>> company car every couple of years. The are usually great for the 30K
>> >>>> miles or so. Around 35 to 40K they start have little issues, they
>> >>>> seem
>> >>>> to get louder and the ride is a noticeably rougher. On a couple of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> vehicles you could feel the transmission start to slip. By the time
>> >>>> she
>> >>>> turns it in at around 60K miles, we can't wait to get rid of it.
>>
>> >>> I have a '97 Contour with over 140k mi on it. It still runs and
>> >>> handles
>> >>> great. Great long-term quality.
>>
>> >>> I have heard similar things about other Fords, Toyotas, Chevys,
>> >>> Hondas,
>> >>> etc.
>>
>> >>> They all make good cars that last a long time.
>>
>> >>> Just what models did your wife get?
>>
>> >>> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I have had 2 Accords; one `86 with 250,000 k on it and a `92 that had
> 315,000 k on it when it was totaled . the `86 was poor on brakes .But
> it was a GOOD car, travelled Montana when they had a prima facie speed
> limit 110 MPH all the way across.
>
> No problems at all and it was a 1990 CC x4 if I remember correctly.
>
> The `92 was just regular maintenance .A good solid reliable car
>
> I have owned many cars in my life including Studebaker and Nash,
> Ford ,GM and Chrysler .and I will have to say the two Hondas were the
> most trouble free Japanese manufactured cars I have EVER owned.(made
> in Japan)
>
> Both cars were bought used
> Ed
>

Mike Hunter

You were lucky I guess


mike


"mred" <mred@295.ca> wrote in message
news:1178540899.029371.165660@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> On May 5, 2:02 pm, "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote:
>> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience.
>> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major
>> problem with was an old Audi Fox.
>> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident.
>> Insurance
>> company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair.
>> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the
>> car
>> was out of warranty.
>> 2 Mazda's no problems
>> 3 Volvos no problems
>> 6 Hondas no problems
>> 1 Isuzu no problems
>> 1 Mitsubishi no problems
>> 1 Nissan no problems
>>
>> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted
>> to.
>> All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American cars
>> we
>> had.
>>
>> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5n3%h.2237$Q96.481@trnddc04...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> >news:YIqdnaG7s-5JIqHbnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> Let's see if I can remember them all
>> >> Jeep Cherokee - The worst.
>>
>> > My uncle had a Jeep Cherokee that went over 200,000 mi without problems
>> > or
>> > even replacing the brake pads. It was kind of cold in the winter
>> > though.
>> > Needed a new thermostat.
>>
>> >>This thing was in the shop ever few months.
>> >> brake, transmission and axel problems. She went over some train
>> >> tracks
>> >> once, not hard mind you and the steering wheel became off center. The
>> >> steering wheel always look like she was turning left even when she was
>> >> driving straight. This happened twice.
>>
>> >> Ford Escape - great for the first 35K, then got noisy and the
>> >> transmission
>> >> started slipping.
>>
>> >> Dodge Grand Caravan - was okay
>>
>> >> Ford Windstar ***** and parts started falling off within the first few
>> >> thousand miles. We only had this car for about 20K, she then changed
>> >> jobs.
>>
>> >> Pontiac Grand Prix was okay, then developed a a clicking in the
>> >> steering
>> >> wheel. The steering wasn't smooth, you could feel while turning.
>>
>> >> Chevrolet Equinox- only had this one for 8K, job change again. Was
>> >> fairly
>> >> nice vehicle. Ride was way too soft though, felt like we were
>> >> floating.
>>
>> > Likewise, you're going to find people who have had excellent service
>> > from
>> > these vehicles and others who didn't. Likewise for the Toyotas and
>> > Hondas.
>>
>> > Jeff
>>
>> >> "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:T%1%h.176$HR1.174@trnddc01...
>>
>> >>> "Wade" <nugr*...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:bvadnezc3JJZBaHbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>> >>>> My problem with American cars is not with design. Some of them look
>> >>>> quite nice. It's the long term quality of the car. My wife gets a
>> >>>> new
>> >>>> company car every couple of years. The are usually great for the 30K
>> >>>> miles or so. Around 35 to 40K they start have little issues, they
>> >>>> seem
>> >>>> to get louder and the ride is a noticeably rougher. On a couple of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> vehicles you could feel the transmission start to slip. By the time
>> >>>> she
>> >>>> turns it in at around 60K miles, we can't wait to get rid of it.
>>
>> >>> I have a '97 Contour with over 140k mi on it. It still runs and
>> >>> handles
>> >>> great. Great long-term quality.
>>
>> >>> I have heard similar things about other Fords, Toyotas, Chevys,
>> >>> Hondas,
>> >>> etc.
>>
>> >>> They all make good cars that last a long time.
>>
>> >>> Just what models did your wife get?
>>
>> >>> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
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>
> I have had 2 Accords; one `86 with 250,000 k on it and a `92 that had
> 315,000 k on it when it was totaled . the `86 was poor on brakes .But
> it was a GOOD car, travelled Montana when they had a prima facie speed
> limit 110 MPH all the way across.
>
> No problems at all and it was a 1990 CC x4 if I remember correctly.
>
> The `92 was just regular maintenance .A good solid reliable car
>
> I have owned many cars in my life including Studebaker and Nash,
> Ford ,GM and Chrysler .and I will have to say the two Hondas were the
> most trouble free Japanese manufactured cars I have EVER owned.(made
> in Japan)
>
> Both cars were bought used
> Ed
>

Joe LaVigne

Jeff wrote:

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> "mred" <mred@295.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
>> I have had 2 Accords; one `86 with 250,000 k on it and a `92 that had
>> 315,000 k on it when it was totaled . the `86 was poor on brakes .But
>> it was a GOOD car, travelled Montana when they had a prima facie speed
>> limit 110 MPH all the way across.
>
> They had the speed limit posted at 110 MPH?

IIRC, They had NO speed limit posted. When the Feds dropped the National
55MPH limit, Montana removed all the signs, and had a 110 Soft limit. If
you were going faster, they would pull you over and give you a $5 ticket
for "Unsafe speed", payable to the officer at the time of offense.

They were forced to change it, and settled on 75, if memory serves.