Jason

In article
<11df0577788830832062ce2098fda164@localhost.talkab outautos.com>, "zonie"
<sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote:

> Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs. You most not know
> Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
> past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
> 33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
> with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
> Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
> already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
> engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
> valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
> make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
> what G.M.C. stands for,
> Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe

Hello,
Great post. I had lots of trouble out of Chevy Monza. That was my last
one. I only have two questions for those people that love or own a GM
vehicle. If GM truly believes their vehicles are great, why do they place
Honda engines in at least one of the Saturn models? Don't they have any
confidence in the engines made by GM?
Jason

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<11df0577788830832062ce2098fda164@localhost.talkab outautos.com>, "zonie"
<sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote:

> Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs. You most not know
> Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
> past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
> 33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
> with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
> Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
> already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
> engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
> valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
> make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
> what G.M.C. stands for,
> Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe

Hello,
Great post. I had lots of trouble out of Chevy Monza. That was my last
one. I only have two questions for those people that love or own a GM
vehicle. If GM truly believes their vehicles are great, why do they place
Honda engines in at least one of the Saturn models? Don't they have any
confidence in the engines made by GM?
Jason

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L Alpert

hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
> With recent transmission problems Honda has some catching up to do.
> Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology.
> Rear drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need
> of updating. Tsk, tsk.

Funny, my 2004 has disc in the back....

L Alpert

hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
> With recent transmission problems Honda has some catching up to do.
> Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology.
> Rear drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need
> of updating. Tsk, tsk.

Funny, my 2004 has disc in the back....

Sid Schweiger

>>that hack job built by Isuzu and sold by Honda. Isuzu called their
version to Rodeo. I can not remember the Honda name.<<

That would be the Passport. I had one, and in over 105,000 miles it was
completely trouble-free. When I no longer needed an SUV for work, I got rid
of it, because it got only 16 mpg (mostly highway driving) on a good day.

Sid Schweiger

>>that hack job built by Isuzu and sold by Honda. Isuzu called their
version to Rodeo. I can not remember the Honda name.<<

That would be the Passport. I had one, and in over 105,000 miles it was
completely trouble-free. When I no longer needed an SUV for work, I got rid
of it, because it got only 16 mpg (mostly highway driving) on a good day.

Brian Stell

zonie wrote:
> Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs.

LX V6 also has disks in back

Brian Stell

zonie wrote:
> Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs.

LX V6 also has disks in back

routebeer

"D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:P5adnR9ogaZTxHLfRVn-rw@comcast.com...
> The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both
the
> new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
> miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
> 150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
> vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to
go
> only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
> longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
> find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all
the
> rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
> crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
> 150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape
costs
> 18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
> don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
> show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the HON/TOY
> is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of the
> GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of HON/TOY.
> But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this 50,000
> durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).


I don't know, I think it's the unions that are killing the big three. It
costs GM and Ford too much to make a piece of here in the States.

routebeer

"D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:P5adnR9ogaZTxHLfRVn-rw@comcast.com...
> The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both
the
> new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
> miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
> 150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
> vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to
go
> only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
> longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
> find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all
the
> rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
> crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
> 150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape
costs
> 18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
> don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
> show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the HON/TOY
> is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of the
> GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of HON/TOY.
> But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this 50,000
> durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).


I don't know, I think it's the unions that are killing the big three. It
costs GM and Ford too much to make a piece of here in the States.

D.D. Palmer

It's unions, management, better product from Japan and the reliance on huge
temporary profits from gas hogs.

"routebeer" <d@aylor.com> wrote in message
news:wn3Ie.5365$6D5.1604@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
> "D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P5adnR9ogaZTxHLfRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>> The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both
> the
>> new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
>> miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
>> 150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
>> vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to
> go
>> only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
>> longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
>> find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all
> the
>> rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
>> crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
>> 150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape
> costs
>> 18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
>> don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
>> show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the
>> HON/TOY
>> is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of
>> the
>> GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of
>> HON/TOY.
>> But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this
>> 50,000
>> durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
>
>
> I don't know, I think it's the unions that are killing the big three. It
> costs GM and Ford too much to make a piece of here in the States.
>
>

D.D. Palmer

It's unions, management, better product from Japan and the reliance on huge
temporary profits from gas hogs.

"routebeer" <d@aylor.com> wrote in message
news:wn3Ie.5365$6D5.1604@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
> "D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P5adnR9ogaZTxHLfRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>> The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both
> the
>> new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
>> miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
>> 150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
>> vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to
> go
>> only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
>> longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
>> find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all
> the
>> rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
>> crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
>> 150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape
> costs
>> 18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
>> don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
>> show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the
>> HON/TOY
>> is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of
>> the
>> GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of
>> HON/TOY.
>> But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this
>> 50,000
>> durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
>
>
> I don't know, I think it's the unions that are killing the big three. It
> costs GM and Ford too much to make a piece of here in the States.
>
>

Steve Bigelow

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0208051645180001@pm4-broad-41.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

> Great post. I had lots of trouble out of Chevy Monza. That was my last
> one.

A....._Monza_?
What model year was that, "Jason"?

Steve Bigelow

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0208051645180001@pm4-broad-41.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

> Great post. I had lots of trouble out of Chevy Monza. That was my last
> one.

A....._Monza_?
What model year was that, "Jason"?

Larry

I have to disagree with "better product from Japan"....many Honda's and
Toyotas are made in the USA or Canada and hold up just as well as their
Japanese made counterparts. Japanese engineering and preparation seem to be
superior to the American counterparts. I also take the stance in support of
buying "American made" that I would rather support the American workers who
build Pilots, Accords, Civics, etc, than the corporate pockets of GM/Ford,
etc, as the American factory workers need the money more than the suits in
Detroit. That said, if I buy a Honda or Toyota built here, I am still
supporting the American economy and feeding the mouths of families who rely
on that paycheck.


"D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_LWdnYrh2eWiVW3fRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> It's unions, management, better product from Japan and the reliance on
> huge temporary profits from gas hogs.
>
> "routebeer" <d@aylor.com> wrote in message
> news:wn3Ie.5365$6D5.1604@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> "D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:P5adnR9ogaZTxHLfRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>>> The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both
>> the
>>> new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about
>>> 150,000
>>> miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
>>> 150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
>>> vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them
>>> to
>> go
>>> only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
>>> longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you
>>> can
>>> find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all
>> the
>>> rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape
>>> approaches
>>> crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
>>> 150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape
>> costs
>>> 18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
>>> don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern
>>> will
>>> show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the
>>> HON/TOY
>>> is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of
>>> the
>>> GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of
>>> HON/TOY.
>>> But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this
>>> 50,000
>>> durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
>>
>>
>> I don't know, I think it's the unions that are killing the big three. It
>> costs GM and Ford too much to make a piece of here in the States.
>>
>>
>
>