Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
10-20-2009, 02:58 PM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Tegger wrote:
> "Dave D" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in
> news:4add6239@news.acsalaska.net:
>
>>
>> "zzznot" <zzznot@invalid.net> wrote in message
>> news:hbi6af$pcr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
>>> have the bombs removed, even get a few
>>> bucks for them, and drive the car legally
>>> for registration in California?
>>>
>>> Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
>>> or other complication?
>>>
>>> J.
>> ///snipped///
>>
>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
> functioning SRS system.
It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
> California's rules don't come into play until Federal NHTSA regs are satisfied.
> <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/>
> "Dave D" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in
> news:4add6239@news.acsalaska.net:
>
>>
>> "zzznot" <zzznot@invalid.net> wrote in message
>> news:hbi6af$pcr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
>>> have the bombs removed, even get a few
>>> bucks for them, and drive the car legally
>>> for registration in California?
>>>
>>> Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
>>> or other complication?
>>>
>>> J.
>> ///snipped///
>>
>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
> functioning SRS system.
It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
> California's rules don't come into play until Federal NHTSA regs are satisfied.
> <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/>
10-20-2009, 05:36 PM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Tegger wrote:
>
>> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
>> functioning SRS system.
>
> It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988
(not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into
the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and
functioning SRS system.
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Tegger
news:7k6fl9F3910cjU1@mid.individual.net:
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
>> functioning SRS system.
>
> It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988
(not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into
the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and
functioning SRS system.
--
Tegger
10-20-2009, 05:46 PM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in
news:hbl9t3$ic7$1@blue.rahul.net:
> Dave D wrote:
>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
>
> In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not
> sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been
> formalized.
This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained
in writing from the NHTSA.
Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific
factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the
applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would
not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult
body size, or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced
osteoporosis.
I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
vanishingly tiny.
--
Tegger
news:hbl9t3$ic7$1@blue.rahul.net:
> Dave D wrote:
>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
>
> In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not
> sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been
> formalized.
This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained
in writing from the NHTSA.
Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific
factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the
applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would
not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult
body size, or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced
osteoporosis.
I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
vanishingly tiny.
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Tegger
10-20-2009, 06:26 PM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Dave D wrote:
> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is
> in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's
> past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws
> in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not sure
what the requirements are or whether they've even been formalized.
A car that came equipped with airbags cannot legally be driven in the US
if they've been removed. However, disabling them (or getting an 'off'
switch wired in) does not make the car illegal to drive. Go ahead and
drive to Canada to have the operation performed; California doesn't even
have to know you did it.
> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is
> in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's
> past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws
> in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not sure
what the requirements are or whether they've even been formalized.
A car that came equipped with airbags cannot legally be driven in the US
if they've been removed. However, disabling them (or getting an 'off'
switch wired in) does not make the car illegal to drive. Go ahead and
drive to Canada to have the operation performed; California doesn't even
have to know you did it.
10-21-2009, 09:26 AM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:7k6fl9F3910cjU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>
>>
>>> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
>>> functioning SRS system.
>>
>> It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
>
>
>OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988
>(not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into
>the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and
>functioning SRS system.
Correct. More specificaly, it must meet all safety and emmissions
requirements present at the time of its manufactor. If a car is being
brought into the US "for off-road use only", a bond has to be posted.
Mssrs Gates, Leno and Ellison have multiple cars that fall under this
law, as do/did every Formula One team.
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Patrick Swayze, now there was talent
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:7k6fl9F3910cjU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>
>>
>>> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
>>> functioning SRS system.
>>
>> It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
>
>
>OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988
>(not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into
>the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and
>functioning SRS system.
Correct. More specificaly, it must meet all safety and emmissions
requirements present at the time of its manufactor. If a car is being
brought into the US "for off-road use only", a bond has to be posted.
Mssrs Gates, Leno and Ellison have multiple cars that fall under this
law, as do/did every Formula One team.
--
- dillon I am not invalid
Patrick Swayze, now there was talent
10-21-2009, 09:29 AM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in
>news:hbl9t3$ic7$1@blue.rahul.net:
>
>> Dave D wrote:
>>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
>>
>> In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not
>> sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been
>> formalized.
>
>
>
>This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained
>in writing from the NHTSA.
>
>Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific
>factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the
>applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would
>not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult
>body size, or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced
>osteoporosis.
>
>I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
>vanishingly tiny.
I have a friend who was driving his 6 year old daughter in his 95
Miata. Miata provided a "disable" switch, which was approved by DOT.
He had to start the car, press the button and then she could get in.
And the disable was switched off whenever he turned off the ignition.
I think many cars with only a front row were equipped with this prior
to the weight disabler.
--
- dillon I am not invalid
Patrick Swayze, now there was talent
>John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in
>news:hbl9t3$ic7$1@blue.rahul.net:
>
>> Dave D wrote:
>>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
>>
>> In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not
>> sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been
>> formalized.
>
>
>
>This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained
>in writing from the NHTSA.
>
>Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific
>factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the
>applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would
>not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult
>body size, or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced
>osteoporosis.
>
>I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
>vanishingly tiny.
I have a friend who was driving his 6 year old daughter in his 95
Miata. Miata provided a "disable" switch, which was approved by DOT.
He had to start the car, press the button and then she could get in.
And the disable was switched off whenever he turned off the ignition.
I think many cars with only a front row were equipped with this prior
to the weight disabler.
--
- dillon I am not invalid
Patrick Swayze, now there was talent
10-21-2009, 02:24 PM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:013ud5pqi67p0kp1k5momd3p911kglem6d@4ax.com:
> Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>
>>
>>I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
>>vanishingly tiny.
>
> I have a friend who was driving his 6 year old daughter in his 95
> Miata. Miata provided a "disable" switch, which was approved by DOT.
> He had to start the car, press the button and then she could get in.
> And the disable was switched off whenever he turned off the ignition.
>
> I think many cars with only a front row were equipped with this prior
> to the weight disabler.
Regular-cab pickups had the same thing.
Here's the text of an article by Car and Driver's Patrick Bedard on that
subject:
<http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26327>
The actual article was up on C and D's site until very recently, but it
seems to be gone now. This is all I can find.
--
Tegger
news:013ud5pqi67p0kp1k5momd3p911kglem6d@4ax.com:
> Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>
>>
>>I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
>>vanishingly tiny.
>
> I have a friend who was driving his 6 year old daughter in his 95
> Miata. Miata provided a "disable" switch, which was approved by DOT.
> He had to start the car, press the button and then she could get in.
> And the disable was switched off whenever he turned off the ignition.
>
> I think many cars with only a front row were equipped with this prior
> to the weight disabler.
Regular-cab pickups had the same thing.
Here's the text of an article by Car and Driver's Patrick Bedard on that
subject:
<http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26327>
The actual article was up on C and D's site until very recently, but it
seems to be gone now. This is all I can find.
--
Tegger
10-21-2009, 03:28 PM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18:
> blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
> 24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html
>
>
> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
> aimed directly at the occupants.
A bit dramatic, don't you think?
They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in
the back... gallons of it!! Oh the humanity!
news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18:
> blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
> 24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html
>
>
> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
> aimed directly at the occupants.
A bit dramatic, don't you think?
They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in
the back... gallons of it!! Oh the humanity!
10-21-2009, 11:27 PM
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Thus spake Larrybud <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> :
>Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
>news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18:
>
>> blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
>> 24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html
>>
>>
>> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
>> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
>> aimed directly at the occupants.
>
>A bit dramatic, don't you think?
>
>They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in
>the back... gallons of it!! Oh the humanity!
The gasoline requies a source of ignition. The air bag HAS the source
of ignition.
And, contrary to the movies, gasoline is actually a little hard to set
off. Yes, match. No, cigarette. No, bullet.
Air bags have been confirmed to have killed stupid mechanics, car
theives and junk yard scroungers. Note the word "stupid".
--
- dillon I am not invalid
"Always shoot first. At the very least you'll
distract the guy enough to make the second one count"
-- Lazurus Long
>Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
>news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18:
>
>> blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
>> 24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html
>>
>>
>> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
>> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
>> aimed directly at the occupants.
>
>A bit dramatic, don't you think?
>
>They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in
>the back... gallons of it!! Oh the humanity!
The gasoline requies a source of ignition. The air bag HAS the source
of ignition.
And, contrary to the movies, gasoline is actually a little hard to set
off. Yes, match. No, cigarette. No, bullet.
Air bags have been confirmed to have killed stupid mechanics, car
theives and junk yard scroungers. Note the word "stupid".
--
- dillon I am not invalid
"Always shoot first. At the very least you'll
distract the guy enough to make the second one count"
-- Lazurus Long
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