Honda starting problems
#16
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Re: Honda starting problems
No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
until after the engine is running anyway.
Ducky wrote:
>
> And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
>
> "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When I
> got
> > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil pressure
> > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> >
> > So far I have:
> > 1. Replaced the battery
> > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> >
> > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from starting ?
> > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > - Replay perhaps
> >
> > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> >
> > John
> >
> >
pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
until after the engine is running anyway.
Ducky wrote:
>
> And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
>
> "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When I
> got
> > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil pressure
> > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> >
> > So far I have:
> > 1. Replaced the battery
> > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> >
> > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from starting ?
> > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > - Replay perhaps
> >
> > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> >
> > John
> >
> >
#17
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Re: Honda starting problems
No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
until after the engine is running anyway.
Ducky wrote:
>
> And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
>
> "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When I
> got
> > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil pressure
> > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> >
> > So far I have:
> > 1. Replaced the battery
> > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> >
> > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from starting ?
> > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > - Replay perhaps
> >
> > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> >
> > John
> >
> >
pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
until after the engine is running anyway.
Ducky wrote:
>
> And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
>
> "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When I
> got
> > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil pressure
> > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> >
> > So far I have:
> > 1. Replaced the battery
> > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> >
> > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from starting ?
> > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > - Replay perhaps
> >
> > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> >
> > John
> >
> >
#18
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Re: Honda starting problems
Randolph,
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
#19
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Re: Honda starting problems
Randolph,
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
#20
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Re: Honda starting problems
Randolph,
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
#21
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Re: Honda starting problems
Randolph,
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
cranked it from the side bolt.
3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
belts
4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
Thanks for your help !
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
>
> Randolph wrote:
> >
> > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > removed and sold it.
> >
> > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> >
> > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > wires back in the correct order?
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
#22
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Honda starting problems
I agree,
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
#23
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Honda starting problems
I agree,
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Honda starting problems
I agree,
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Honda starting problems
I agree,
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
Although I am not a mechanic by any means .... I don't feel as a though a
snapped off oil pressure switch will prevent the car from starting.
John
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Honda starting problems
It seems you have the service manual, but if you don't you can find some
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Honda starting problems
It seems you have the service manual, but if you don't you can find some
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
#28
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Re: Honda starting problems
It seems you have the service manual, but if you don't you can find some
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
#29
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Posts: n/a
Re: Honda starting problems
It seems you have the service manual, but if you don't you can find some
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
drawings of the distributor assembly with igniter and coil indicated at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DrOhm/di...torRepair.html.
I have not worked on the distributor on my '94. How close do you think
the timing is after you put a new distributor on the car? Might be worth
trying to retard or advance the timing by 10 degrees or so and try to
start it again.
John wrote:
>
> Randolph,
>
> 1. I just tried turning the ignition key past accessory and YES I did hear
> it buzz for a couple seconds so I think my relay and fuel pump are ok.....
>
> 2. I am pretty clear on the TDC issue now .... I was able to check with the
> TDC markings on the belt and felt for compression on piston one as I hand
> cranked it from the side bolt.
>
> 3. My wires go in this firing order 1,3,4, 2 (compared to diagram from a
> service manual). Assuming piston one is the furthest right , closest to the
> belts
>
> 4. The distributor I got is brand new and I am still waiting for a reply
> from the seller on whether it included a coil and a ICM.
>
> However, in looking at the distributor, it looks like the coil is in there?
>
> Still it trys to turn over but I dont think it is getting spark...
>
> Thanks for your help !
>
> John
>
> "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4009C009.5FB75906@junkmail.com...
> > I noticed in your other post that you worried about the TDC ambiguity.
> > (tail end of compression stroke or tail end of exhaust stroke). If you
> > can't find the mark in the cam shaft, you could try to simply swapping
> > the #1 and number 4 plug wires and also the #2 and #3 plug wires. If
> > this fixes the problem, you simply had the "wrong" TDC.
> >
> > Randolph wrote:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key to ignition (past accessory, not all the way to
> > > start) do you hear the fuel pump buzzing for a few seconds?. If not,
> > > there probably is an issue with the main relay. It is one of the weak
> > > points on Honda's, so it could have gone bad, or the thieves may have
> > > removed and sold it.
> > >
> > > When you got the new distributor, did it come with the coil and the
> > > igniter (ICM, or ignition control module)? They are both mounted inside
> > > the distributor. Do you have spark?
> > >
> > > Do you have a service manual so that you can check that you got the plug
> > > wires back in the correct order?
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> stolen
> > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
> I got
> > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
> pressure
> > > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > > >
> > > > So far I have:
> > > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > > >
> > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
> starting ?
> > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > > - Replay perhaps
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > > >
> > > > John
#30
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Re: Honda starting problems
I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure switches
or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the
ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you loose
oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several seconds at
startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American car i
have worked on has both......
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the
ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you loose
oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several seconds at
startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American car i
have worked on has both......
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com...
> No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil
> pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would
> there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure
> until after the engine is running anyway.
>
>
> Ducky wrote:
> >
> > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting.
> >
> > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was
> > stolen
> > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. When
I
> > got
> > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil
pressure
> > > switch and therefore the car would not start.
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > > 1. Replaced the battery
> > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay)
> > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured)
> > >
> > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ???
> > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires?
> > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from
starting ?
> > > - How about a faulty fuel pump?
> > > - Replay perhaps
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any help greatly !
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >