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Re: Honda starting problems
> Randolph,
> > Why do you think retarding or advancing might help? Sorry, I'm a novice > here > > JOhn Since you were concerned about TDC etc. I assume you were trying to align the distributor correctly. As I said, I have not worked on the distributor on the Civic, so I don't know how easy it is to align it. As you rotate the distributor housing you change the ignition timing. If you are a few degrees off the car should still start but if you are 20 - 30 degrees off it probably will not start. If you feel confident that you got the timing pretty close, advancing or retarding it wouldn't help. If you are not sure if you got the timing right, I would try changing it a little and try starting the car again. I was leafing through my service manual looking for something else last night, and noticed something that might be of interest. If you crank the engine long enough you can get it to set the diagnostic trouble codes (if there are any). The manual said that you might have to crank for "as long as 10 second" for the DTC to be set. Try this and if the MIL comes on you can read out the codes and possibly find out what is wrong that way. Reading the DTC on that car is simple. There are two test connectors behind the carpet under the glove box. One two-pin and one three pin. Turn off the ignition and short the two pins of the two pin connector together with a paper clip or piece of wire. Then turn on the ignition (do not try to start the car) The DTC will be flashed out on the MIL. Two long and four short flashes means 24 etc. Multiple codes may be flashed out in sequence. |
Re: Honda starting problems
> Randolph,
> > Why do you think retarding or advancing might help? Sorry, I'm a novice > here > > JOhn Since you were concerned about TDC etc. I assume you were trying to align the distributor correctly. As I said, I have not worked on the distributor on the Civic, so I don't know how easy it is to align it. As you rotate the distributor housing you change the ignition timing. If you are a few degrees off the car should still start but if you are 20 - 30 degrees off it probably will not start. If you feel confident that you got the timing pretty close, advancing or retarding it wouldn't help. If you are not sure if you got the timing right, I would try changing it a little and try starting the car again. I was leafing through my service manual looking for something else last night, and noticed something that might be of interest. If you crank the engine long enough you can get it to set the diagnostic trouble codes (if there are any). The manual said that you might have to crank for "as long as 10 second" for the DTC to be set. Try this and if the MIL comes on you can read out the codes and possibly find out what is wrong that way. Reading the DTC on that car is simple. There are two test connectors behind the carpet under the glove box. One two-pin and one three pin. Turn off the ignition and short the two pins of the two pin connector together with a paper clip or piece of wire. Then turn on the ignition (do not try to start the car) The DTC will be flashed out on the MIL. Two long and four short flashes means 24 etc. Multiple codes may be flashed out in sequence. |
Re: Honda starting problems
> Randolph,
> > Why do you think retarding or advancing might help? Sorry, I'm a novice > here > > JOhn Since you were concerned about TDC etc. I assume you were trying to align the distributor correctly. As I said, I have not worked on the distributor on the Civic, so I don't know how easy it is to align it. As you rotate the distributor housing you change the ignition timing. If you are a few degrees off the car should still start but if you are 20 - 30 degrees off it probably will not start. If you feel confident that you got the timing pretty close, advancing or retarding it wouldn't help. If you are not sure if you got the timing right, I would try changing it a little and try starting the car again. I was leafing through my service manual looking for something else last night, and noticed something that might be of interest. If you crank the engine long enough you can get it to set the diagnostic trouble codes (if there are any). The manual said that you might have to crank for "as long as 10 second" for the DTC to be set. Try this and if the MIL comes on you can read out the codes and possibly find out what is wrong that way. Reading the DTC on that car is simple. There are two test connectors behind the carpet under the glove box. One two-pin and one three pin. Turn off the ignition and short the two pins of the two pin connector together with a paper clip or piece of wire. Then turn on the ignition (do not try to start the car) The DTC will be flashed out on the MIL. Two long and four short flashes means 24 etc. Multiple codes may be flashed out in sequence. |
Re: Honda starting problems
> Randolph,
> > Why do you think retarding or advancing might help? Sorry, I'm a novice > here > > JOhn Since you were concerned about TDC etc. I assume you were trying to align the distributor correctly. As I said, I have not worked on the distributor on the Civic, so I don't know how easy it is to align it. As you rotate the distributor housing you change the ignition timing. If you are a few degrees off the car should still start but if you are 20 - 30 degrees off it probably will not start. If you feel confident that you got the timing pretty close, advancing or retarding it wouldn't help. If you are not sure if you got the timing right, I would try changing it a little and try starting the car again. I was leafing through my service manual looking for something else last night, and noticed something that might be of interest. If you crank the engine long enough you can get it to set the diagnostic trouble codes (if there are any). The manual said that you might have to crank for "as long as 10 second" for the DTC to be set. Try this and if the MIL comes on you can read out the codes and possibly find out what is wrong that way. Reading the DTC on that car is simple. There are two test connectors behind the carpet under the glove box. One two-pin and one three pin. Turn off the ignition and short the two pins of the two pin connector together with a paper clip or piece of wire. Then turn on the ignition (do not try to start the car) The DTC will be flashed out on the MIL. Two long and four short flashes means 24 etc. Multiple codes may be flashed out in sequence. |
Re: Honda starting problems
If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but
just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... John "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > second set of cam lobes. > > John wrote: > > > > Woody, > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was talking > > about... > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken vtec > > spool valve .... > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > John > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure switches > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you loose > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several seconds > > at > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American car i > > > have worked on has both...... > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was > > > > > stolen > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. > > When > > > I > > > > > got > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > pressure > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > starting ? > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but
just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... John "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > second set of cam lobes. > > John wrote: > > > > Woody, > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was talking > > about... > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken vtec > > spool valve .... > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > John > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure switches > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you loose > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several seconds > > at > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American car i > > > have worked on has both...... > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was > > > > > stolen > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. > > When > > > I > > > > > got > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > pressure > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > starting ? > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but
just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... John "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > second set of cam lobes. > > John wrote: > > > > Woody, > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was talking > > about... > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken vtec > > spool valve .... > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > John > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure switches > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you loose > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several seconds > > at > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American car i > > > have worked on has both...... > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was > > > > > stolen > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. > > When > > > I > > > > > got > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > pressure > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > starting ? > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but
just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... John "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > second set of cam lobes. > > John wrote: > > > > Woody, > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was talking > > about... > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken vtec > > spool valve .... > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > John > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure switches > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you loose > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several seconds > > at > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American car i > > > have worked on has both...... > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil pressure > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it was > > > > > stolen > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good condition. > > When > > > I > > > > > got > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > pressure > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > starting ? > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
Oops,
I read it wrong ... I got it .... vtec sensor will not stop it from starting John "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:100paudi2ba8i42@corp.supernews.com... > If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but > just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? > > But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... > > John > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > > second set of cam lobes. > > > > John wrote: > > > > > > Woody, > > > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was > talking > > > about... > > > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken > vtec > > > spool valve .... > > > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > > > John > > > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure > switches > > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you > loose > > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several > seconds > > > at > > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American > car i > > > > have worked on has both...... > > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil > pressure > > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it > was > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good > condition. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > > pressure > > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > > starting ? > > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
Oops,
I read it wrong ... I got it .... vtec sensor will not stop it from starting John "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:100paudi2ba8i42@corp.supernews.com... > If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but > just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? > > But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... > > John > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > > second set of cam lobes. > > > > John wrote: > > > > > > Woody, > > > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was > talking > > > about... > > > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken > vtec > > > spool valve .... > > > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > > > John > > > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure > switches > > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you > loose > > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several > seconds > > > at > > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American > car i > > > > have worked on has both...... > > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil > pressure > > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it > was > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good > condition. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > > pressure > > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > > starting ? > > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
Oops,
I read it wrong ... I got it .... vtec sensor will not stop it from starting John "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:100paudi2ba8i42@corp.supernews.com... > If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but > just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? > > But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... > > John > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > > second set of cam lobes. > > > > John wrote: > > > > > > Woody, > > > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was > talking > > > about... > > > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken > vtec > > > spool valve .... > > > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > > > John > > > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure > switches > > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you > loose > > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several > seconds > > > at > > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American > car i > > > > have worked on has both...... > > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil > pressure > > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it > was > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good > condition. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > > pressure > > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > > starting ? > > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
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I read it wrong ... I got it .... vtec sensor will not stop it from starting John "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:100paudi2ba8i42@corp.supernews.com... > If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but > just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? > > But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... > > John > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > > second set of cam lobes. > > > > John wrote: > > > > > > Woody, > > > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was > talking > > > about... > > > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken > vtec > > > spool valve .... > > > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > > > John > > > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure > switches > > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you > loose > > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several > seconds > > > at > > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American > car i > > > > have worked on has both...... > > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil > pressure > > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it > was > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good > condition. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > > pressure > > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > > starting ? > > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
John wrote: > > If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but > just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? Correct, that is what I meant. You won't even get problems above the 5500 RPM range, just slightly less power than you would get if VTEC was working. > > But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... > > John > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > > second set of cam lobes. > > > > John wrote: > > > > > > Woody, > > > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was > talking > > > about... > > > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken > vtec > > > spool valve .... > > > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > > > John > > > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure > switches > > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you > loose > > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several > seconds > > > at > > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American > car i > > > > have worked on has both...... > > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil > pressure > > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it > was > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good > condition. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > > pressure > > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > > starting ? > > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
John wrote: > > If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but > just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? Correct, that is what I meant. You won't even get problems above the 5500 RPM range, just slightly less power than you would get if VTEC was working. > > But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... > > John > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > > second set of cam lobes. > > > > John wrote: > > > > > > Woody, > > > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was > talking > > > about... > > > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken > vtec > > > spool valve .... > > > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > > > John > > > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure > switches > > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you > loose > > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several > seconds > > > at > > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American > car i > > > > have worked on has both...... > > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil > pressure > > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it > was > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good > condition. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > > pressure > > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > > starting ? > > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Honda starting problems
John wrote: > > If it only affects the car in pre-vtec mode, shouldn't it still start but > just have issues beyond the 5500rpm range? Correct, that is what I meant. You won't even get problems above the 5500 RPM range, just slightly less power than you would get if VTEC was working. > > But if you say so , I guess I'll change it anyways... > > John > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > news:400C9325.A1F2846@junkmail.com... > > There are two widgets in that area, the VTEC solenoid valve and the VTEC > > oil pressure sender. A fault in either of these will not prevent you > > from starting the car, it will simply keep the engine from engaging the > > second set of cam lobes. > > > > John wrote: > > > > > > Woody, > > > > > > It turns out that I was being a dumbass and didn't know what I was > talking > > > about... > > > > > > I dont have a broken oil pressure switch ... instead I have a broken > vtec > > > spool valve .... > > > > > > Now would this prevent the car from starting ??? > > > > > > John > > > > > > "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message > > > news:vYkOb.31573$P%1.25167326@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com... > > > > I don't know about your Honda but many cars have two oil pressure > switches > > > > or a dual switch. One goes to the idiot light and the other is in the > > > > ignition circuit as a safety measure. It kills the fuel pump if you > loose > > > > oil pressure. It has a bypass relay that bypasses it for several > seconds > > > at > > > > startup. Maybe Honda is too cheap to put both in but every American > car i > > > > have worked on has both...... > > > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4009C887.890DCED0@junkmail.com... > > > > > No, a broken oil pressure switch will not prevent starting. The oil > > > > > pressure switch reports to the idiot light only. Besides, why would > > > > > there be an oil-pressure / starting interlock? There is no oil > pressure > > > > > until after the engine is running anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ducky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes a broken oil pressure switch will prevent starting. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John" <jchin92@dslextreme.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:100jbrop44j9q57@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > > I have a 95 Honda Civic EX (1.6L) that I just recovered after it > was > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > > from me. The car has 142k miles and WAS in pretty good > condition. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > it back it was missing a distributor, a battery and a broken Oil > > > > pressure > > > > > > > switch and therefore the car would not start. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have: > > > > > > > 1. Replaced the battery > > > > > > > 2. Replaced the distributor (brand new from eBay) > > > > > > > 3. Replaced the starter (remanufactured) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the car still does not start ...... Any suggestions ??? > > > > > > > - Perhaps changing all four spark plugs and wires? > > > > > > > - Also would a broken oil pressure switch prevent the car from > > > > starting ? > > > > > > > - How about a faulty fuel pump? > > > > > > > - Replay perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help greatly ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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