Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.

um, no and no...

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Shawn Taylor" <accordpower99@cox.net> wrote in message
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> agree get a honda
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:l7tke.16$8A4.5@lakeread07...
>> Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
>> > Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> >> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
> retired
>> > and
>> >> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
>> > cost
>> >> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
>> > also.
>> >> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
> is
>> >> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >> Hank WD5JFR
>> >>
>> >>
I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I have
had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just bought
my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their reputation holds
up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan Maxima. I had a
Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to do ANYTHING to it
other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake pads,etc.). I would still
have it if it had not been totaled in an accident . If you look at JD
Powers quality and reliability rankings Toyota has better initial quality
scores but Honda has a slight edge in long term dependability ranking. I
think with the quality level here you would not go wrong with any of these
choices and it comes down to personal preference of styling, layout, fun to
drive, proximity to dealer, which dealer will make a better deal, etc.

Others to consider:
Infiniti G35
Hyundai Sonata
Nissan Altima

Brett Rohlfing

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Shawn Taylor" <accordpower99@cox.net> wrote in message
news:sexke.3330$%Z2.865@lakeread08...
> agree get a honda
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:l7tke.16$8A4.5@lakeread07...
>> Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
>> > Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> >> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
> retired
>> > and
>> >> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
>> > cost
>> >> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
>> > also.
>> >> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
> is
>> >> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >> Hank WD5JFR
>> >>
>> >>
I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I have
had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just bought
my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their reputation holds
up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan Maxima. I had a
Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to do ANYTHING to it
other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake pads,etc.). I would still
have it if it had not been totaled in an accident . If you look at JD
Powers quality and reliability rankings Toyota has better initial quality
scores but Honda has a slight edge in long term dependability ranking. I
think with the quality level here you would not go wrong with any of these
choices and it comes down to personal preference of styling, layout, fun to
drive, proximity to dealer, which dealer will make a better deal, etc.

Others to consider:
Infiniti G35
Hyundai Sonata
Nissan Altima

Brett Rohlfing

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>
> um, no and no...

Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
exhaust system.

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Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>
> um, no and no...

Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
exhaust system.

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Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LYZle.3389$zb.2670@trndny02...
> I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I
> have had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just
> bought my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their
> reputation holds up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan
> Maxima. I had a Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to
> do ANYTHING to it other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake
> pads,etc.). I would still have it if it had not been totaled in an
> accident . If you look at JD Powers quality and reliability rankings
> Toyota has better initial quality scores but Honda has a slight edge in
> long term dependability ranking. I think with the quality level here you
> would not go wrong with any of these choices and it comes down to personal
> preference of styling, layout, fun to drive, proximity to dealer, which
> dealer will make a better deal, etc.
>
> Others to consider:
> Infiniti G35
> Hyundai Sonata
> Nissan Altima
>
> Brett Rohlfing
>
I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was nothing
but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for a couple
years. Then the electrical system became a bundle of intermittents. I fixed
a dozen of them or so (three lighting, one immobilizer, one ignition, one
window switch, one fuel pump control, one at the ECU, and a few others) but
there were two that were still making life miserable when we traded the car
away around 150K miles. At that point I was working on it at least once a
week and had the intake plemum off about once a month. In comparison my
daughter's '93 Accord LX is well over 200K and I have to pry it out of her
hands to do the routine service. My '85 turbo Volvo is still a reliable
daily driver at 235K (in spite of the interior disintegrating.)

Mike

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LYZle.3389$zb.2670@trndny02...
> I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I
> have had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just
> bought my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their
> reputation holds up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan
> Maxima. I had a Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to
> do ANYTHING to it other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake
> pads,etc.). I would still have it if it had not been totaled in an
> accident . If you look at JD Powers quality and reliability rankings
> Toyota has better initial quality scores but Honda has a slight edge in
> long term dependability ranking. I think with the quality level here you
> would not go wrong with any of these choices and it comes down to personal
> preference of styling, layout, fun to drive, proximity to dealer, which
> dealer will make a better deal, etc.
>
> Others to consider:
> Infiniti G35
> Hyundai Sonata
> Nissan Altima
>
> Brett Rohlfing
>
I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was nothing
but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for a couple
years. Then the electrical system became a bundle of intermittents. I fixed
a dozen of them or so (three lighting, one immobilizer, one ignition, one
window switch, one fuel pump control, one at the ECU, and a few others) but
there were two that were still making life miserable when we traded the car
away around 150K miles. At that point I was working on it at least once a
week and had the intake plemum off about once a month. In comparison my
daughter's '93 Accord LX is well over 200K and I have to pry it out of her
hands to do the routine service. My '85 turbo Volvo is still a reliable
daily driver at 235K (in spite of the interior disintegrating.)

Mike

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Jason wrote:
> In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
> Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>>
>>um, no and no...
>
>
> Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
> that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
> behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
> right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
> amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
> exhaust system.
>
if you get up underneath & measure, the pipe is parallel with the road,
it doesn't dip. it /looks/ like it from behind because of the way it's
routed, but it's an optical illusion. and it's actually better than a
honda mdx, which really /does/ dip down.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Jason wrote:
> In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
> Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>>
>>um, no and no...
>
>
> Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
> that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
> behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
> right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
> amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
> exhaust system.
>
if you get up underneath & measure, the pipe is parallel with the road,
it doesn't dip. it /looks/ like it from behind because of the way it's
routed, but it's an optical illusion. and it's actually better than a
honda mdx, which really /does/ dip down.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:n-SdnaBzirHvKgXfRVn-1w@sedona.net...
> "Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LYZle.3389$zb.2670@trndny02...
>> I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I
>> have had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just
>> bought my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their
>> reputation holds up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan
>> Maxima. I had a Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had
>> to do ANYTHING to it other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake
>> pads,etc.). I would still have it if it had not been totaled in an
>> accident . If you look at JD Powers quality and reliability rankings
>> Toyota has better initial quality scores but Honda has a slight edge in
>> long term dependability ranking. I think with the quality level here you
>> would not go wrong with any of these choices and it comes down to
>> personal preference of styling, layout, fun to drive, proximity to
>> dealer, which dealer will make a better deal, etc.
>>
>> Others to consider:
>> Infiniti G35
>> Hyundai Sonata
>> Nissan Altima
>>
>> Brett Rohlfing
>>
> I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was nothing
> but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for a couple
> years. Then the electrical system became a bundle of intermittents. I
> fixed a dozen of them or so (three lighting, one immobilizer, one
> ignition, one window switch, one fuel pump control, one at the ECU, and a
> few others) but there were two that were still making life miserable when
> we traded the car away around 150K miles. At that point I was working on
> it at least once a week and had the intake plemum off about once a month.
> In comparison my daughter's '93 Accord LX is well over 200K and I have to
> pry it out of her hands to do the routine service. My '85 turbo Volvo is
> still a reliable daily driver at 235K (in spite of the interior
> disintegrating.)
>
> Mike
>
You bought a car with 115K miles on it and it was good for a couple of
years....and this is a bad thing??? The other difference I see is that a
300ZX being the type of car it is, is more likely to have been abused or at
least have hard driven miles on it after 115k+ miles.

Brett Rohlfing

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:n-SdnaBzirHvKgXfRVn-1w@sedona.net...
> "Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LYZle.3389$zb.2670@trndny02...
>> I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I
>> have had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just
>> bought my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their
>> reputation holds up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan
>> Maxima. I had a Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had
>> to do ANYTHING to it other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake
>> pads,etc.). I would still have it if it had not been totaled in an
>> accident . If you look at JD Powers quality and reliability rankings
>> Toyota has better initial quality scores but Honda has a slight edge in
>> long term dependability ranking. I think with the quality level here you
>> would not go wrong with any of these choices and it comes down to
>> personal preference of styling, layout, fun to drive, proximity to
>> dealer, which dealer will make a better deal, etc.
>>
>> Others to consider:
>> Infiniti G35
>> Hyundai Sonata
>> Nissan Altima
>>
>> Brett Rohlfing
>>
> I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was nothing
> but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for a couple
> years. Then the electrical system became a bundle of intermittents. I
> fixed a dozen of them or so (three lighting, one immobilizer, one
> ignition, one window switch, one fuel pump control, one at the ECU, and a
> few others) but there were two that were still making life miserable when
> we traded the car away around 150K miles. At that point I was working on
> it at least once a week and had the intake plemum off about once a month.
> In comparison my daughter's '93 Accord LX is well over 200K and I have to
> pry it out of her hands to do the routine service. My '85 turbo Volvo is
> still a reliable daily driver at 235K (in spite of the interior
> disintegrating.)
>
> Mike
>
You bought a car with 115K miles on it and it was good for a couple of
years....and this is a bad thing??? The other difference I see is that a
300ZX being the type of car it is, is more likely to have been abused or at
least have hard driven miles on it after 115k+ miles.

Brett Rohlfing

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pN4me.3534$Ub.2053@trndny09...

>> I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we

> You bought a car with 115K miles on it and it was good for a couple of
> years....and this is a bad thing??? The other difference I see is that a
> 300ZX being the type of car it is, is more likely to have been abused or
> at least have hard driven miles on it after 115k+ miles.

And "soured" on a car company that virtually everyone in charge at the time
has retired from....1984!

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pN4me.3534$Ub.2053@trndny09...

>> I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we

> You bought a car with 115K miles on it and it was good for a couple of
> years....and this is a bad thing??? The other difference I see is that a
> 300ZX being the type of car it is, is more likely to have been abused or
> at least have hard driven miles on it after 115k+ miles.

And "soured" on a car company that virtually everyone in charge at the time
has retired from....1984!

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pN4me.3534$Ub.2053@trndny09...
>
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:n-SdnaBzirHvKgXfRVn-1w@sedona.net...
>> I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was
>> nothing but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for
>> a couple years.

> You bought a car with 115K miles on it and it was good for a couple of
> years....and this is a bad thing???

>
I prefer buying cars with a minimum of 80K, preferably at least 100K miles
on them. At 50K it is hard to tell how a car has been cared for; at 100K it
is hard to hide. Sadly, I let my lust for the car cloud my judgement and I
violated two of my absolute rules - never buy a car with traces of rust in
the radiator or with signs of varnish under the oil filler cap. This Nissan
had both and I paid for both with headaches, but the electrical trouble was
an unpleasant surprise. A car with 100K that is still in good shape should
give at least another 100K miles of service. I bought my old '70 Volvo with
190K on it, rebuilt the engine (had broken rings from detonation) and drove
it to nearly 300K.

The new Toyota is the baby of the family and my wife's first new car in 20
years (it's been 35 years for me). My son's Acura has 130K, and our other
two are over 200K. We aren't looking at replacing any of them anytime soon.

Mike

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pN4me.3534$Ub.2053@trndny09...
>
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:n-SdnaBzirHvKgXfRVn-1w@sedona.net...
>> I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was
>> nothing but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for
>> a couple years.

> You bought a car with 115K miles on it and it was good for a couple of
> years....and this is a bad thing???

>
I prefer buying cars with a minimum of 80K, preferably at least 100K miles
on them. At 50K it is hard to tell how a car has been cared for; at 100K it
is hard to hide. Sadly, I let my lust for the car cloud my judgement and I
violated two of my absolute rules - never buy a car with traces of rust in
the radiator or with signs of varnish under the oil filler cap. This Nissan
had both and I paid for both with headaches, but the electrical trouble was
an unpleasant surprise. A car with 100K that is still in good shape should
give at least another 100K miles of service. I bought my old '70 Volvo with
190K on it, rebuilt the engine (had broken rings from detonation) and drove
it to nearly 300K.

The new Toyota is the baby of the family and my wife's first new car in 20
years (it's been 35 years for me). My son's Acura has 130K, and our other
two are over 200K. We aren't looking at replacing any of them anytime soon.

Mike