Re: How is the Element?
 

"Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> news:GPCOb.67294$IF6.1587151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Bernard Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...
> > > > I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I
would
> > like
> > > > to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the
Element,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or bad
> (are
> > > you
> > > > happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few
> months.
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > BJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Element has very light payload. Something like 600 or 700 lbs. Two
good
> > size
> > > adults and some luggage and you are at max weight allowance. So do not
> > plan
> > > to carry heavy goods. If you kid is fat leave him at home.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > 600 or 700 LBS? How is that possible? Chirst my 2000 Civic has a
payload
> > limit of 800 LBS. You're telling me a Civic can carry more than an
> Element?
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thats what he told me-- some report it is even as low as 500 lbs.
> Better ask the dealer some leading questions before you get too wrapped up
> in the Element idea.
>
>

I never ask the dealer anything if I can help it since they just tell you
what you want to hear to sell you the car. I remember when I bought my 2003
Accord, I knew more about the car's specs than the salesperson. It was
actually pretty funny. They were talking about the 4-cylinder engine and
trying to tell me it's specs so tried to look for a brochure to read it off
to me when I just blurted it out, "2.4L 4-cyl with i-VTEC, 160 HP @ 5500 RPM
and 161 LB/ft of torque @ 4500 RPM." The salesperson nearly their
pants when I said that. Turned out to be a great tactic because they knew
from that point on that they couldn't bullshit me.

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> news:GPCOb.67294$IF6.1587151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:tnoOb.70688$ZuL1.18216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > >
> > > "Bernard Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...
> > > > I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I
would
> > like
> > > > to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the
Element,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or bad
> (are
> > > you
> > > > happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few
> months.
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > BJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Element has very light payload. Something like 600 or 700 lbs. Two
good
> > size
> > > adults and some luggage and you are at max weight allowance. So do not
> > plan
> > > to carry heavy goods. If you kid is fat leave him at home.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > 600 or 700 LBS? How is that possible? Chirst my 2000 Civic has a
payload
> > limit of 800 LBS. You're telling me a Civic can carry more than an
> Element?
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thats what he told me-- some report it is even as low as 500 lbs.
> Better ask the dealer some leading questions before you get too wrapped up
> in the Element idea.
>
>

I never ask the dealer anything if I can help it since they just tell you
what you want to hear to sell you the car. I remember when I bought my 2003
Accord, I knew more about the car's specs than the salesperson. It was
actually pretty funny. They were talking about the 4-cylinder engine and
trying to tell me it's specs so tried to look for a brochure to read it off
to me when I just blurted it out, "2.4L 4-cyl with i-VTEC, 160 HP @ 5500 RPM
and 161 LB/ft of torque @ 4500 RPM." The salesperson nearly their
pants when I said that. Turned out to be a great tactic because they knew
from that point on that they couldn't bullshit me.

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:r_GOb.108481$%wh.92139@news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> >
> > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> > news:GPCOb.67294$IF6.1587151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:tnoOb.70688$ZuL1.18216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Bernard Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...
> > > > > I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the
> Element,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or
bad
> > (are
> > > > you
> > > > > happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few
> > months.
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > BJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Element has very light payload. Something like 600 or 700 lbs. Two
> good
> > > size
> > > > adults and some luggage and you are at max weight allowance. So do
not
> > > plan
> > > > to carry heavy goods. If you kid is fat leave him at home.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > 600 or 700 LBS? How is that possible? Chirst my 2000 Civic has a
> payload
> > > limit of 800 LBS. You're telling me a Civic can carry more than an
> > Element?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Thats what he told me-- some report it is even as low as 500 lbs.
> > Better ask the dealer some leading questions before you get too wrapped
up
> > in the Element idea.
> >
> >
>
> I never ask the dealer anything if I can help it since they just tell you
> what you want to hear to sell you the car. I remember when I bought my
2003
> Accord, I knew more about the car's specs than the salesperson. It was
> actually pretty funny. They were talking about the 4-cylinder engine and
> trying to tell me it's specs so tried to look for a brochure to read it
off
> to me when I just blurted it out, "2.4L 4-cyl with i-VTEC, 160 HP @ 5500
RPM
> and 161 LB/ft of torque @ 4500 RPM." The salesperson nearly their
> pants when I said that. Turned out to be a great tactic because they knew
> from that point on that they couldn't bullshit me.
>
>

Best check the brochure then however the weight allowance is not given in
the on line brochure.

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> > news:GPCOb.67294$IF6.1587151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:tnoOb.70688$ZuL1.18216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Bernard Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...
> > > > > I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the
> Element,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or
bad
> > (are
> > > > you
> > > > > happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few
> > months.
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > BJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Element has very light payload. Something like 600 or 700 lbs. Two
> good
> > > size
> > > > adults and some luggage and you are at max weight allowance. So do
not
> > > plan
> > > > to carry heavy goods. If you kid is fat leave him at home.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > 600 or 700 LBS? How is that possible? Chirst my 2000 Civic has a
> payload
> > > limit of 800 LBS. You're telling me a Civic can carry more than an
> > Element?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Thats what he told me-- some report it is even as low as 500 lbs.
> > Better ask the dealer some leading questions before you get too wrapped
up
> > in the Element idea.
> >
> >
>
> I never ask the dealer anything if I can help it since they just tell you
> what you want to hear to sell you the car. I remember when I bought my
2003
> Accord, I knew more about the car's specs than the salesperson. It was
> actually pretty funny. They were talking about the 4-cylinder engine and
> trying to tell me it's specs so tried to look for a brochure to read it
off
> to me when I just blurted it out, "2.4L 4-cyl with i-VTEC, 160 HP @ 5500
RPM
> and 161 LB/ft of torque @ 4500 RPM." The salesperson nearly their
> pants when I said that. Turned out to be a great tactic because they knew
> from that point on that they couldn't bullshit me.
>
>

Best check the brochure then however the weight allowance is not given in
the on line brochure.

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> > news:GPCOb.67294$IF6.1587151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:tnoOb.70688$ZuL1.18216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Bernard Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...
> > > > > I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the
> Element,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or
bad
> > (are
> > > > you
> > > > > happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few
> > months.
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > BJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Element has very light payload. Something like 600 or 700 lbs. Two
> good
> > > size
> > > > adults and some luggage and you are at max weight allowance. So do
not
> > > plan
> > > > to carry heavy goods. If you kid is fat leave him at home.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > 600 or 700 LBS? How is that possible? Chirst my 2000 Civic has a
> payload
> > > limit of 800 LBS. You're telling me a Civic can carry more than an
> > Element?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Thats what he told me-- some report it is even as low as 500 lbs.
> > Better ask the dealer some leading questions before you get too wrapped
up
> > in the Element idea.
> >
> >
>
> I never ask the dealer anything if I can help it since they just tell you
> what you want to hear to sell you the car. I remember when I bought my
2003
> Accord, I knew more about the car's specs than the salesperson. It was
> actually pretty funny. They were talking about the 4-cylinder engine and
> trying to tell me it's specs so tried to look for a brochure to read it
off
> to me when I just blurted it out, "2.4L 4-cyl with i-VTEC, 160 HP @ 5500
RPM
> and 161 LB/ft of torque @ 4500 RPM." The salesperson nearly their
> pants when I said that. Turned out to be a great tactic because they knew
> from that point on that they couldn't bullshit me.
>
>

Best check the brochure then however the weight allowance is not given in
the on line brochure.

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:r_GOb.108481$%wh.92139@news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> >
> > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> > news:GPCOb.67294$IF6.1587151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:tnoOb.70688$ZuL1.18216@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Bernard Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...
> > > > > I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the
> Element,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or
bad
> > (are
> > > > you
> > > > > happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few
> > months.
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > BJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Element has very light payload. Something like 600 or 700 lbs. Two
> good
> > > size
> > > > adults and some luggage and you are at max weight allowance. So do
not
> > > plan
> > > > to carry heavy goods. If you kid is fat leave him at home.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > 600 or 700 LBS? How is that possible? Chirst my 2000 Civic has a
> payload
> > > limit of 800 LBS. You're telling me a Civic can carry more than an
> > Element?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Thats what he told me-- some report it is even as low as 500 lbs.
> > Better ask the dealer some leading questions before you get too wrapped
up
> > in the Element idea.
> >
> >
>
> I never ask the dealer anything if I can help it since they just tell you
> what you want to hear to sell you the car. I remember when I bought my
2003
> Accord, I knew more about the car's specs than the salesperson. It was
> actually pretty funny. They were talking about the 4-cylinder engine and
> trying to tell me it's specs so tried to look for a brochure to read it
off
> to me when I just blurted it out, "2.4L 4-cyl with i-VTEC, 160 HP @ 5500
RPM
> and 161 LB/ft of torque @ 4500 RPM." The salesperson nearly their
> pants when I said that. Turned out to be a great tactic because they knew
> from that point on that they couldn't bullshit me.
>
>

Best check the brochure then however the weight allowance is not given in
the on line brochure.

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Tom Wilson" <tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tomwilson-1901041024200001@pm1-broad-108.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
> over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn.

Where did you come across this information?

I agree with the
> intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
> one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element.

Welcome back, Bill. Why the name change?

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Tom Wilson" <tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tomwilson-1901041024200001@pm1-broad-108.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
> over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn.

Where did you come across this information?

I agree with the
> intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
> one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element.

Welcome back, Bill. Why the name change?

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Tom Wilson" <tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tomwilson-1901041024200001@pm1-broad-108.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
> over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn.

Where did you come across this information?

I agree with the
> intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
> one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element.

Welcome back, Bill. Why the name change?

Re: How is the Element?
 

"Tom Wilson" <tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tomwilson-1901041024200001@pm1-broad-108.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
> over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn.

Where did you come across this information?

I agree with the
> intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
> one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element.

Welcome back, Bill. Why the name change?

Re: How is the Element?
 

In article <3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.net> , "Bernard
Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I would like
> to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the Element, but I
> wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or bad (are you
> happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few months.
> Thanks!
> BJ

I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn. I agree with the
intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element. Also-just for
fun--if a salesperson approaches you--ask him to take you for a drive and
drive really fast around a sharp turn--he will quickly tell you that he
won't do it or refer you to a fellow salesman that he does not like.

Re: How is the Element?
 

In article <3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.net> , "Bernard
Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I would like
> to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the Element, but I
> wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or bad (are you
> happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few months.
> Thanks!
> BJ

I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn. I agree with the
intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element. Also-just for
fun--if a salesperson approaches you--ask him to take you for a drive and
drive really fast around a sharp turn--he will quickly tell you that he
won't do it or refer you to a fellow salesman that he does not like.

Re: How is the Element?
 

In article <3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.net> , "Bernard
Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I would like
> to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the Element, but I
> wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or bad (are you
> happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few months.
> Thanks!
> BJ

I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn. I agree with the
intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element. Also-just for
fun--if a salesperson approaches you--ask him to take you for a drive and
drive really fast around a sharp turn--he will quickly tell you that he
won't do it or refer you to a fellow salesman that he does not like.

Re: How is the Element?
 

In article <3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.net> , "Bernard
Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I would like
> to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the Element, but I
> wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or bad (are you
> happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few months.
> Thanks!
> BJ

I don't advise you to buy the Element. The Pilot and CR-V are much better
vehicles. The Element is very top heavy and high profile--it could turn
over if you drove too fast around a sharp turn. I agree with the
intelligent poster that suggested that you visit a Honda shop and pick up
one of the free brochures on The Pilot, CR-V and Element. Also-just for
fun--if a salesperson approaches you--ask him to take you for a drive and
drive really fast around a sharp turn--he will quickly tell you that he
won't do it or refer you to a fellow salesman that he does not like.

Re: How is the Element?
 

Here's a good article concerning the Element...

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

Some notable quotes from it:

"Honda says Elements haul an extra 250 pounds compared with similarly
equipped CR-Vs."

"Through tight turns and quick transitions, the boxy Honda stays relatively
flat, performing like a Doberman trapped inside a Great Dane's body. On the
skidpad, our test vehicle pulled a very impressive 0.78 g, which beats the
CR-V's 0.72 g and even ties the last BMW 330i we tested (October 2002).





"Bernard Felix" <bfelix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3coOb.1785$Fp1.1075656@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...
> I am looking to buy a new SUV. I currently own an Accord and I would like
> to get another Honda. I have been doing some research on the Element, but
I
> wanted some insight from anyone who owns one. Anything good or bad (are
you
> happy with it?). I need to make a decision within the next few months.
> Thanks!
> BJ
>
>