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I'm #2 !!! Most stolen car
It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the 1995
Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy. http://www.newsday.com/services/news...,7892563.story |
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"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:hqqvl39l77cbt7h78m5p47pfd7sricpmms@4ax.com... > It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the 1995 > Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy. > > http://www.newsday.com/services/news...,7892563.story You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I suppose this has more to do with the difficulty of stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of old Hondas. What does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord? I know Honda parts are outrageously expensive, but surely the demand for used 17 year old Honda parts must be pretty low. Ed |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13lvrfj59v43a6@corp.supernews.com: > > "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message > news:hqqvl39l77cbt7h78m5p47pfd7sricpmms@4ax.com... >> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the >> 1995 Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy. That's because they've run out of Integra GS-Rs to steal.... >> >> http://www.newsday.com/services/news...ednesday/longi >> sland/ny-licars125496908dec12,0,7892563.story > > You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that > are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I suppose this has more to do > with the difficulty of stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of old > Hondas. What does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord? I know Honda parts > are outrageously expensive, but surely the demand for used 17 year old > Honda parts must be pretty low. > > Ed > > > the older cars motors are more easily modified. they take the motors,transaxles,ECU,seats,doors,front fenders,and other misc parts,then torch the rest in some field. These are usually street drag racers who burn up motors trying to get lots of HP from them,and then steal to get 'new' motors to build up and burn up. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote
> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote >> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 >> (US) is the 1995 >> Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. >> Oh joy. > You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of > thieves that are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I > suppose this has more to do with the difficulty of > stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of old Hondas. > What does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord? I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves steal the car, drive it around for fun, then dump it. No profits to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and obviously short-term drive. |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:16:51 -0700, "Elle"
<honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote: >"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote >> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote >>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 >>> (US) is the 1995 >>> Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. >>> Oh joy. > >> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of >> thieves that are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I >> suppose this has more to do with the difficulty of >> stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of old Hondas. >> What does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord? > >I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation >for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves steal >the car, drive it around for fun, then dump it. No profits >to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and >obviously short-term drive. > But that wouldn't target a 1991 Accord. It's solid, but with the springs sort of shot, not the kind of car that's too much fun to drive anymore. I've never bothered to have comprehensive coverage because the car is not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it. |
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"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation >>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves >>steal >>the car, drive it around for fun, then dump it. No profits >>to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and >>obviously short-term drive. >> > But that wouldn't target a 1991 Accord. It's solid, but > with the > springs sort of shot, not the kind of car that's too much > fun to drive > anymore. I think the ease of theft may outweigh the suspension quality, hp under the hood, etc. These guys often have just a few minutes to get the wheels moving, right? If I were a car thief out for thrills, I would not be so choosy. > I've never bothered to have comprehensive coverage because > the car is > not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it. Indeed. One of the advantages of an older car. |
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C. E. White wrote:
> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that are > stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. Well, since the demographic interested in those cars is the under 20 lot then the intelligence of the thieves can explain itself - ever see a kid with the oversized baseball cap, moon boot running shoes, puffy jacket and size 50 pants look like anything other than a moron? So stealing a 17 year old car would seem like a good idea. |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in > news:13lvrfj59v43a6@corp.supernews.com: > >> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message >> news:hqqvl39l77cbt7h78m5p47pfd7sricpmms@4ax.com... >>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the >>> 1995 Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy. > > That's because they've run out of Integra GS-Rs to steal.... >>> http://www.newsday.com/services/news...ednesday/longi >>> sland/ny-licars125496908dec12,0,7892563.story >> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that >> are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I suppose this has more to do >> with the difficulty of stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of old >> Hondas. What does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord? I know Honda parts >> are outrageously expensive, but surely the demand for used 17 year old >> Honda parts must be pretty low. >> >> Ed >> >> >> > > the older cars motors are more easily modified. > > they take the motors,transaxles,ECU,seats,doors,front fenders,and other > misc parts,then torch the rest in some field. > > These are usually street drag racers who burn up motors trying to get lots > of HP from them,and then steal to get 'new' motors to build up and burn up. > you got it! |
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jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:9oGdnfafA8nZP_3anZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > Jim Yanik wrote: >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in >> news:13lvrfj59v43a6@corp.supernews.com: >> >>> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message >>> news:hqqvl39l77cbt7h78m5p47pfd7sricpmms@4ax.com... >>>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the >>>> 1995 Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh >>>> joy. >> >> That's because they've run out of Integra GS-Rs to steal.... >>>> http://www.newsday.com/services/news.../wednesday/lon >>>> gi sland/ny-licars125496908dec12,0,7892563.story >>> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that >>> are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I suppose this has more to do >>> with the difficulty of stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of >>> old Hondas. What does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord? I know Honda >>> parts are outrageously expensive, but surely the demand for used 17 >>> year old Honda parts must be pretty low. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> >> >> the older cars motors are more easily modified. >> >> they take the motors,transaxles,ECU,seats,doors,front fenders,and >> other misc parts,then torch the rest in some field. >> >> These are usually street drag racers who burn up motors trying to get >> lots of HP from them,and then steal to get 'new' motors to build up >> and burn up. >> > > you got it! > Personal experience; I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year. I'd like Florida laws like Texas has concerning shooting people stealing your property. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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observer <not_kjhsfd7ywhj@something.com> wrote in
news:fjpvoa$nmu$1@aioe.org: > C. E. White wrote: > >> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that >> are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. > > Well, since the demographic interested in those cars is the under 20 > lot then the intelligence of the thieves can explain itself - ever see > a kid with the oversized baseball cap, moon boot running shoes, puffy > jacket and size 50 pants look like anything other than a moron? So > stealing a 17 year old car would seem like a good idea. > just because the car is old doesn't mean it's parts are not worth stealing,to the dishonest. Thieves went to the trouble of stealing the plastic "Acura" and "GS-R" badges from my 94 GS-R. $60 bucks at the dealers.I didn't replace them. Personally,I would rather cars not have such badges;they are a PITA to wax around.I like the "no chrome" look,too. Then they took the ECU;$800 and 6 weeks wait. Then they took the whole car. 3 weeks to get paid for the total loss. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:13m1056pdgc0b2f@corp.supernews.com: > "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote >>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation >>>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves >>>steal >>>the car, drive it around for fun, then dump it. No profits >>>to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and >>>obviously short-term drive. >>> >> But that wouldn't target a 1991 Accord. It's solid, but >> with the >> springs sort of shot, not the kind of car that's too much >> fun to drive >> anymore. > > I think the ease of theft may outweigh the suspension > quality, hp under the hood, etc. These guys often have just > a few minutes to get the wheels moving, right? If I were a > car thief out for thrills, I would not be so choosy. > >> I've never bothered to have comprehensive coverage because >> the car is >> not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it. The Hell it's not worth comprehensive coverage...the cost to replace broken windows,radio,stolen ECU,or like one girl's GS-R;stolen seats,cold air intake,wheels and tires.... Then there's the major nuisance of your car not working until the missing parts are replaced. I paid less than $100 a year for $100 deductible.WELL worth it. > > Indeed. One of the advantages of an older car. > > > -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Elle wrote: > "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote > >>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation >>>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves >>>steal >>>the car, drive it around for fun, then dump it. No profits >>>to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and >>>obviously short-term drive. >>> >> >>But that wouldn't target a 1991 Accord. It's solid, but >>with the >>springs sort of shot, not the kind of car that's too much >>fun to drive >>anymore. > > > I think the ease of theft may outweigh the suspension > quality, hp under the hood, etc. These guys often have just > a few minutes to get the wheels moving, right? If I were a > car thief out for thrills, I would not be so choosy. > > >>I've never bothered to have comprehensive coverage because >>the car is >>not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it. > > > Indeed. One of the advantages of an older car. > One has to admire those that continue to run their old cars. No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. That car held its value better than any other vehicle of its time but still, it rusted away long ago. Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to keep you from getting into other trouble... (Hear that Teg?) JT |
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> Personal experience; > I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year. > > I'd like Florida laws like Texas has concerning shooting people stealing > your property. > Bang, bang, bang, <plop>... Bang, bang! <G> JT Austin, TX |
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Jim Yanik wrote: > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in > news:13m1056pdgc0b2f@corp.supernews.com: > > >>"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote >> >>>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation >>>>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves >>>>steal >>>>the car, drive it around for fun, then dump it. No profits >>>>to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and >>>>obviously short-term drive. >>>> >>> >>>But that wouldn't target a 1991 Accord. It's solid, but >>>with the >>>springs sort of shot, not the kind of car that's too much >>>fun to drive >>>anymore. >> >>I think the ease of theft may outweigh the suspension >>quality, hp under the hood, etc. These guys often have just >>a few minutes to get the wheels moving, right? If I were a >>car thief out for thrills, I would not be so choosy. >> >> >>>I've never bothered to have comprehensive coverage because >>>the car is >>>not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it. > > > The Hell it's not worth comprehensive coverage...the cost to replace broken > windows,radio,stolen ECU,or like one girl's GS-R;stolen seats,cold air > intake,wheels and tires.... > Then there's the major nuisance of your car not working until the missing > parts are replaced. > > I paid less than $100 a year for $100 deductible.WELL worth it. > I maintain comprehensive on all my old cars. Hit a deer, you get paid. I pay about $30 each per year for the coverage.. JT |
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"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote
> One has to admire those that continue to run their old > cars. > > No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they > maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere > rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. > > I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. > That car held its value better than any other vehicle of > its time but still, it rusted away long ago. I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if driven into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old one. I have owned three cars. The last two were purchased spanking new. But now having done a great deal of work on my current wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and saving a pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it into the ground is way more savings. > Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to > keep you from getting into other trouble... True here. |
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle"
<honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote >> One has to admire those that continue to run their old cars. >> >> No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they >> maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere >> rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. >> >> I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. >> That car held its value better than any other vehicle of its time but >> still, it rusted away long ago. > > I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if driven > into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old one. I > have owned three cars. The last two were purchased spanking > new. But now having done a great deal of work on my current > wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and saving a > pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it > into the ground is way more savings. The week you need it the most will be the week it fails to run and needs $2,500 in repairs, and you've got no warranty. The repairs will probably cost more than the value of the car, so you'll need to purchase another immediately. What kind of "savings" is that..? -- Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." |
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"Larry in AZ" <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle" > <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said: > >> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote >>> One has to admire those that continue to run their old >>> cars. >>> >>> No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they >>> maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere >>> rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. >>> >>> I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. >>> That car held its value better than any other vehicle of >>> its time but >>> still, it rusted away long ago. >> >> I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if >> driven >> into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old >> one. I >> have owned three cars. The last two were purchased >> spanking >> new. But now having done a great deal of work on my >> current >> wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and >> saving a >> pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving >> it >> into the ground is way more savings. > > The week you need it the most I neglected to mention I am retired. > will be the week it fails to run and needs > $2,500 in repairs, and you've got no warranty. $2500 in repairs for a 91 Civic translates to either major body work or something like a new engine. Car is worth about $600 right now, per Kelly Blue Book. I take the bus, bicycle, worst case taxi. Come on, give people some credit. > The repairs will probably > cost more than the value of the car, so you'll need to > purchase another > immediately. > > What kind of "savings" is that..? I do my own effin' repairs. I'd buy a new engine for under $1000, install locally for about $500, and be good to go. Or I'd buy a new car. |
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:jSd8j.253160$kj1.238379@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > >> Personal experience; >> I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year. >> >> I'd like Florida laws like Texas has concerning shooting people >> stealing your property. >> > > > Bang, bang, bang, <plop>... Bang, bang! > > <G> > It is interesting that you'd only have gotten in trouble for performing the above action if you had done it within the last 40 years. Prior to that they'd have disregarded the excess roundage and pinned a medal on you for improving the country's gene pool and helping to lower the crime rate. This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, where I am unfortunately forced to reside. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:13m2t0k93p65k01@corp.supernews.com: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote >> One has to admire those that continue to run their old >> cars. >> >> No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they >> maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere >> rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. >> >> I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. >> That car held its value better than any other vehicle of >> its time but still, it rusted away long ago. > > I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if driven > into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old one. I > have owned three cars. The last two were purchased spanking > new. But now having done a great deal of work on my current > wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and saving a > pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it > into the ground is way more savings. "Driving it into the ground" actually does work if you limit the "ground" to ten years and no more. If you intend on keeping it longer than that, maintain it properly and forget the "into the ground" thing. "Into the ground" implies "neglect". And we all know where that goes... > >> Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to >> keep you from getting into other trouble... > > True here. > > Keeps me out of the bingo hall, anyway... And hey, I just went over 297,000 today. I celebrated with an oil change, tightening the hose clamps that keep the (rusted) exhaust heat shields from rattling, and replacing all the rubber exhaust hangers. I'm such a wild and crazy guy! -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in
news:Xns9A058ACF93274thefrogprince@69.28.173.184: > Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle" > <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said: > >> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote >>> One has to admire those that continue to run their old cars. >>> >>> No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they >>> maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere >>> rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. >>> >>> I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. >>> That car held its value better than any other vehicle of its time >>> but still, it rusted away long ago. >> >> I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if driven >> into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old one. I >> have owned three cars. The last two were purchased spanking >> new. But now having done a great deal of work on my current >> wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and saving a >> pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it >> into the ground is way more savings. > > The week you need it the most will be the week it fails to run and > needs $2,500 in repairs, and you've got no warranty. The repairs will > probably cost more than the value of the car, so you'll need to > purchase another immediately. > > What kind of "savings" is that..? > Well, you can pay for that out of the money you saved not making payments for five months. And if you take care of the heap, that $2,500 repair will be a decided rarity. Most repairs will be far, far less than that. Maintenance, my friend, maintenance. Neglect is /very/ expensive. Neglect leads to those $2,500 repairs. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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Larry in AZ wrote: > Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle" > <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said: > > >>"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote >> >>>One has to admire those that continue to run their old cars. >>> >>>No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they >>>maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere >>>rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. >>> >>>I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. >>>That car held its value better than any other vehicle of its time but >>>still, it rusted away long ago. >> >>I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if driven >>into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old one. I >>have owned three cars. The last two were purchased spanking >>new. But now having done a great deal of work on my current >>wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and saving a >>pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it >>into the ground is way more savings. > > > The week you need it the most will be the week it fails to run and needs > $2,500 in repairs, and you've got no warranty. The repairs will probably > cost more than the value of the car, so you'll need to purchase another > immediately. > > What kind of "savings" is that..? > Now that's the mentality the new car dealers depend on... JT |
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Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in > news:jSd8j.253160$kj1.238379@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > >>>Personal experience; >>>I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year. >>> >>>I'd like Florida laws like Texas has concerning shooting people >>>stealing your property. >>> >> >> >>Bang, bang, bang, <plop>... Bang, bang! >> >><G> >> > > > It is interesting that you'd only have gotten in trouble for performing the > above action if you had done it within the last 40 years. > > Prior to that they'd have disregarded the excess roundage and pinned a > medal on you for improving the country's gene pool and helping to lower the > crime rate. This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, > where I am unfortunately forced to reside. > It's amazing on how far we've "come." Just about anywhere on the east or west coast(s), they'd be pro, er persecuting you for protecting your life, never mind your stuff. Here in Texas, well it just ain't a healthy thing to trespass uninvited especially at night. Very slim chance that you'd prosecuted here. Just a couple of weeks ago, a neighbor (of an apparant burglary victim) called 911 that his neighbor's house was being broken into and that he was about to go and shoot the perps. He shot 'em both dead and no charges are pending... JT |
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Tegger wrote: > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in > news:13m2t0k93p65k01@corp.supernews.com: > > >>"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote >> >>>One has to admire those that continue to run their old >>>cars. >>> >>>No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they >>>maximize value and focus on spending money elsewhere >>>rather than feed the monetary squirrel cage. >>> >>>I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. >>>That car held its value better than any other vehicle of >>>its time but still, it rusted away long ago. >> >>I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if driven >>into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old one. I >>have owned three cars. The last two were purchased spanking >>new. But now having done a great deal of work on my current >>wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and saving a >>pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it >>into the ground is way more savings. > > > > > "Driving it into the ground" actually does work if you limit the > "ground" to ten years and no more. > > If you intend on keeping it longer than that, maintain it properly and > forget the "into the ground" thing. > > "Into the ground" implies "neglect". And we all know where that goes... > Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers don't even expect the average car to last ten years. You can figure on a 10% attrition rate yearly and by the time ten years comes along, way less than 50% of that year's model have bit the dust. The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths," play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and me/Elle etc. reap the benefits of other people's investments, er, spending. > >>>Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to >>>keep you from getting into other trouble... >> >>True here. >> >> > > > > > Keeps me out of the bingo hall, anyway... > > And hey, I just went over 297,000 today. I celebrated with an oil > change, tightening the hose clamps that keep the (rusted) exhaust heat > shields from rattling, and replacing all the rubber exhaust hangers. > > I'm such a wild and crazy guy! > Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's 300K anniversary... <G> JT |
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Tegger wrote:
This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, > where I am unfortunately forced to reside. > then get the out. No one is forcing you to stay here. |
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:1xm8j.255497$kj1.39969@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > Tegger wrote: > >> > > Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your > vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers > don't even expect the average car to last ten years. You can figure on > a 10% attrition rate yearly and by the time ten years comes along, way > less than 50% of that year's model have bit the dust. It's interesting that Honda will continue to make and stock parts as long as there is demand. My local parts guy tells me he still orders parts for Acuras from the '80s. A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most everything I'd normally need to replace is still in stock. > > The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths," > play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and > me/Elle etc. reap the benefits of other people's investments, er, > spending. I just like the old girl. I like knowing the car's history, and planning new projects for her. In the spring it's timing belt time again. :^) Plus, to me anyway, there's a certain coolness that derives from /not/ following the herd. >> > > Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's > 300K anniversary... > > <G> > And cover up all that original paint? No way José. I did just spend $500 having the hood professionally repainted last year. I need to have it done every five years or so on account of stone chips. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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babbler <spock@beamit.up> wrote in news:fjsvoo$kf2$1@aioe.org:
> Tegger wrote: > This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, >> where I am unfortunately forced to reside. >> > > then get the out. No one is forcing you to stay here. > True, but /leaving's/ not the problem. Getting /into/ the US is the problem. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:13:01 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote: > >> > >Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's 300K >anniversary... > ><G> > >JT > > > Can I just do that? My 91's roof does lack something in shinyness and, well, consistency. I thought about having a paint job done but it's expensive and if I were going to spend that amount ($700 or so I think) I'd rather look into having the shocks done. But spray paint, that I can handle. Now that I think about it, there is some sort of paint sprayer in the garage. I'll have to open the box and see what it is. |
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"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote > It's interesting that Honda will continue to make and > stock parts as > long as there is demand. My local parts guy tells me he > still orders > parts for Acuras from the '80s. > > A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most > everything I'd > normally need to replace is still in stock. I was going to post that inability to get parts might be the death knell for my 91 Civic. The fact that slhondaparts.com stopped selling parts for cars 1991 and earlier is a bad sign. >> The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with >> the Smiths," >> play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as >> you and >> me/Elle etc. reap the benefits of other people's >> investments, er, >> spending. Plus again all that fun. I apply the principles to stock investing as well. Old companies purchased at a value; nothing flashy just reliable and with high mileage from dividends. :-) > I just like the old girl. I like knowing the car's > history, and planning > new projects for her. In the spring it's timing belt time > again. :^) > > Plus, to me anyway, there's a certain coolness that > derives from /not/ > following the herd. .... a certain security, a certain je-ne-se-quoi, because the herd seems increasingly broke. We're ahead of the game. We're survivors for the long run. >> Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the >> old gal's >> 300K anniversary... >> >> <G> >> Plea: Guilty (well for a bit of touchup especially around those rear tire wells). |
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babbler wrote: > Tegger wrote: > This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, > >> where I am unfortunately forced to reside. >> > > then get the out. No one is forcing you to stay here. Incapable of intelligent discourse, eh? JT |
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Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in > news:1xm8j.255497$kj1.39969@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > >> >>Tegger wrote: >> >> >>Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your >>vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers >>don't even expect the average car to last ten years. You can figure on >>a 10% attrition rate yearly and by the time ten years comes along, way >>less than 50% of that year's model have bit the dust. > > > > > > It's interesting that Honda will continue to make and stock parts as > long as there is demand. My local parts guy tells me he still orders > parts for Acuras from the '80s. > > A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most everything I'd > normally need to replace is still in stock. > Yes, Honda almost appears alone in that regard. I can still order most parts for the Gen 2 Civics although much better bargains can be had on eBay for closeouts etc. >>The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths," >>play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and >>me/Elle etc. reap the benefits of other people's investments, er, >>spending. > > > > > I just like the old girl. I like knowing the car's history, and planning > new projects for her. In the spring it's timing belt time again. :^) > > Plus, to me anyway, there's a certain coolness that derives from /not/ > following the herd. > Knowing what you have is half the battle. The other half is not having a burning desire to keep up with style. >>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's >>300K anniversary... >> >><G> >> > > > > And cover up all that original paint? No way José. > > I did just spend $500 having the hood professionally repainted last > year. I need to have it done every five years or so on account of stone > chips. > > |
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Tegger wrote: > babbler <spock@beamit.up> wrote in news:fjsvoo$kf2$1@aioe.org: > > >>Tegger wrote: >> This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, >> >>>where I am unfortunately forced to reside. >>> >> >>then get the out. No one is forcing you to stay here. >> > > > > True, but /leaving's/ not the problem. Getting /into/ the US is the > problem. > > Heh... Fly down to messyco and sneak across from that end. If you have a valuable "skill," you'll have it made! (Lawn care experience helps...) Oh, don't bother learning engrish... That'll hold you back.. JT |
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dgk wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:13:01 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire > <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote: > > > >>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's 300K >>anniversary... >> >><G> >> >>JT >> >> >> > > > > Can I just do that? My 91's roof does lack something in shinyness and, > well, consistency. I thought about having a paint job done but it's > expensive and if I were going to spend that amount ($700 or so I > think) I'd rather look into having the shocks done. But spray paint, > that I can handle. > > Now that I think about it, there is some sort of paint sprayer in the > garage. I'll have to open the box and see what it is. Just go down to Harbor Freight for the gun/compressor and eBay for cheap single stage paint. JT |
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"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13m59vjnrc0oid0
@corp.supernews.com: > > "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote >> >> A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most >> everything I'd >> normally need to replace is still in stock. > > I was going to post that inability to get parts might be the > death knell for my 91 Civic. The fact that slhondaparts.com > stopped selling parts for cars 1991 and earlier is a bad > sign. They just won't carry them, that's all. Honda corporate still has most of them somewhere. I suspect there's only so much work San Leandro is willing to perform and still do business on the Internet. Many parts for my car must now be shipped in from the various central warehouses, usually the Vancouver one in British Columbia and the Montreal one in Quebec. One part I ordered once had to be shipped directly from Japan. In addition, Honda Canada will sometimes purchase parts from American Honda, piggybacking on AH's greater stockpiles. As long as demand exists, Honda will continue to commission a production run until the newest car it's for is 20 years old, or even older. Sometimes they will save up backorders until they figure they've got enough demand to justify a new run, meaning it may take months for your brand-new part to arrive. Mechanical parts normally remain in good supply for a very long time. Honda will help things along with "rationalization", where they will retool one part so it fits more models than it originally was meant to fit, extending parts availability. Distributor rotors and brake pads are good examples of this phenomenon. The kind of parts that are outright discontinued and no longer in stock are usually the sort nobody ever replaces, like the heater intake cover inside the cowl, and many trim and interior pieces. Body parts are also often discontinued because there's usually a goodly stock of used parts in wrecking yards, so nobody buys new ones. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:S0z8j.46394$MJ6.5636@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > Tegger wrote: > >> babbler <spock@beamit.up> wrote in news:fjsvoo$kf2$1@aioe.org: >> >> >>>Tegger wrote: >>> This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, >>> >>>>where I am unfortunately forced to reside. >>>> >>> >>>then get the out. No one is forcing you to stay here. >>> >> >> >> >> True, but /leaving's/ not the problem. Getting /into/ the US is the >> problem. >> >> > > > Heh... Fly down to messyco and sneak across from that end. If you > have a valuable "skill," you'll have it made! > > (Lawn care experience helps...) O habilidades de cosechar lechuga... > > Oh, don't bother learning engrish... That'll hold you back.. > No hablo Ingles, hombre. Ahora debo comprar un lowrider. Doink! -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
Elle wrote >> I was going to post that inability to get parts might be >> the >> death knell for my 91 Civic. The fact that >> slhondaparts.com >> stopped selling parts for cars 1991 and earlier is a bad >> sign. > > > > They just won't carry them, that's all. Honda corporate > still has most of > them somewhere. I suspect there's only so much work San > Leandro is willing > to perform and still do business on the Internet. > > Many parts for my car must now be shipped in from the > various central > warehouses, usually the Vancouver one in British Columbia > and the Montreal > one in Quebec. Similarly, Majestic Honda in Rhode Island U.S. has long cautioned customers that occasionally it will have to have a part shipped from some central warehouse before shipping to the customer. So I tend to believe you're right. > The kind of parts that are outright discontinued and no > longer in stock are > usually the sort nobody ever replaces, like the heater > intake cover inside > the cowl, and many trim and interior pieces. Body parts > are also often > discontinued because there's usually a goodly stock of > used parts in > wrecking yards, so nobody buys new ones. Indeed, the local U-Pull-It in my former neck of the woods has been a blast. I haven't had to rely on it for critical repairs so far, but maybe this is because I have stayed on top of things, for the most part. I do get to do a little "investigatory work" there, when I am not sure how to get something off my own car. IOW, the stripped down cars are a great education. (I am one fun date?) |
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"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13m5qevct030he5
@corp.supernews.com: > > Indeed, the local U-Pull-It in my former neck of the woods > has been a blast. I haven't had to rely on it for critical > repairs so far, but maybe this is because I have stayed on > top of things, for the most part. I do get to do a little > "investigatory work" there, when I am not sure how to get > something off my own car. IOW, the stripped down cars are a > great education. (I am one fun date?) > > I have a fantastic U-Pull type yard only a few miles from me. Lots of older Integras, Accords and Civics in various states of disassembly. And like you say, a great education in how stuff goes on and comes off. And some of those crashed cars...Really sobering. The worst are those with blood on the seats and no more driver's footwell left... The only problem for me is that most of my parts are in better shape than the ones on the wrecks, so I usually end up buying new anyway... When the snow melts and the mud dries up, I should take some pics of this place. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:R_y8j.46388$MJ6.28473@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > Tegger wrote: > >> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in >> news:1xm8j.255497$kj1.39969@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: >> >> >>> >>>Tegger wrote: >>> >>> >>>Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your >>>vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers >>>don't even expect the average car to last ten years. You can figure >>>on a 10% attrition rate yearly and by the time ten years comes along, >>>way less than 50% of that year's model have bit the dust. >> >> >> >> >> >> It's interesting that Honda will continue to make and stock parts as >> long as there is demand. My local parts guy tells me he still orders >> parts for Acuras from the '80s. >> >> A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most everything I'd >> normally need to replace is still in stock. >> > > Yes, Honda almost appears alone in that regard. I can still order > most parts for the Gen 2 Civics although much better bargains can be > had on eBay for closeouts etc. > > > >>>The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths," >>>play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and >>>me/Elle etc. reap the benefits of other people's investments, er, >>>spending. >> >> >> >> >> I just like the old girl. I like knowing the car's history, and >> planning new projects for her. In the spring it's timing belt time >> again. :^) >> >> Plus, to me anyway, there's a certain coolness that derives from >> /not/ following the herd. >> > > Knowing what you have is half the battle. The other half is not having > a burning desire to keep up with style. > > > >>>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's >>>300K anniversary... >>> >>><G> >>> >> >> >> >> And cover up all that original paint? No way José. >> >> I did just spend $500 having the hood professionally repainted last >> year. I need to have it done every five years or so on account of >> stone chips. >> >> > but when the interior and trim(plastics) begins degrading,and the car has a million rattles and squeaks,then it's nice to get a new car. you folks up North don't have the intense sun degradation we have in the southern US. OTOH,you have salted roads in the winter.... (although living near the seacoast also corrodes autos.) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:S0z8j.46394$MJ6.5636@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > Tegger wrote: > >> babbler <spock@beamit.up> wrote in news:fjsvoo$kf2$1@aioe.org: >> >> >>>Tegger wrote: >>> This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada, >>> >>>>where I am unfortunately forced to reside. >>>> >>> >>>then get the out. No one is forcing you to stay here. >>> >> >> >> >> True, but /leaving's/ not the problem. Getting /into/ the US is the >> problem. >> >> > > > Heh... Fly down to messyco and sneak across from that end. If you have > a valuable "skill," you'll have it made! > > (Lawn care experience helps...) > > Oh, don't bother learning engrish... That'll hold you back.. > > JT > > > I can't imagine that long a line for Canadians to become legit US citizens or get green cards. Seems like a lot of Canuck actors & actresses manage it. 8-) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:D2z8j.46398$MJ6.10266@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > dgk wrote: > >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:13:01 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire >> <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's >>>300K anniversary... >>> >>><G> >>> >>>JT >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Can I just do that? My 91's roof does lack something in shinyness >> and, well, consistency. I thought about having a paint job done but >> it's expensive and if I were going to spend that amount ($700 or so I >> think) I'd rather look into having the shocks done. But spray paint, >> that I can handle. >> >> Now that I think about it, there is some sort of paint sprayer in the >> garage. I'll have to open the box and see what it is. > > > Just go down to Harbor Freight for the gun/compressor and eBay for > cheap single stage paint. > > JT > > there's always Earl Schieib(sp?) and similar places. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns9A06CBEEF3F10jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in > news:R_y8j.46388$MJ6.28473@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > >> >> >> Tegger wrote: >> >>> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in >>> news:1xm8j.255497$kj1.39969@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Tegger wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your >>>>vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers >>>>don't even expect the average car to last ten years. You can figure >>>>on a 10% attrition rate yearly and by the time ten years comes >>>>along, way less than 50% of that year's model have bit the dust. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's interesting that Honda will continue to make and stock parts as >>> long as there is demand. My local parts guy tells me he still orders >>> parts for Acuras from the '80s. >>> >>> A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most everything I'd >>> normally need to replace is still in stock. >>> >> >> Yes, Honda almost appears alone in that regard. I can still order >> most parts for the Gen 2 Civics although much better bargains can be >> had on eBay for closeouts etc. >> >> >> >>>>The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths," >>>>play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and >>>>me/Elle etc. reap the benefits of other people's investments, er, >>>>spending. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I just like the old girl. I like knowing the car's history, and >>> planning new projects for her. In the spring it's timing belt time >>> again. :^) >>> >>> Plus, to me anyway, there's a certain coolness that derives from >>> /not/ following the herd. >>> >> >> Knowing what you have is half the battle. The other half is not >> having a burning desire to keep up with style. >> >> >> >>>>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's >>>>300K anniversary... >>>> >>>><G> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> And cover up all that original paint? No way José. >>> >>> I did just spend $500 having the hood professionally repainted last >>> year. I need to have it done every five years or so on account of >>> stone chips. >>> >>> >> > > but when the interior and trim(plastics) begins degrading, Cold weather does have its advantages. Interior is perfect outside of sun fading and localized salt deposits in the carpets. > and the car has a million rattles and squeaks, My own ears are very poor and unreliable. One of them does not work, the other has a hearing aid stuck in it. For these reasons I cannot tell what rattles/squeaks my car has or where they come from if present. My wife, whose hearing is thankfully impeccable, tells me my car has no rattles or squeaks of any kind, which I find kind of astonishing. There is plenty of mechanical noise, but no rattles or squeaks. Well, there is just one sort of a sizzle noise that occasionally comes from the driver's seat belt upper mount, but that goes away if you put the belt on or push on the rear quarter trim with your hand. > then it's nice to get a new car. New car: Air bags galore Side air bag OPDS OBD-II Intrusive EVAP system P0420 Two oxygen sensors Everything electronic Even more plastic than I've got. Old car: You need to ask? No thanks. I'll just live with the old-car foibles. Yes, old cars can be annoying, but new cars contain a fright factor I don't care to get involved with just now. Treat the old girl like the old girl she is and you'll be fine. I can't afford to peel rubber at every stoplight like I used to any more, but then again I'm not 29 years old any more either... > you folks up North don't have the intense sun degradation we have in > the southern US. > OTOH,you have salted roads in the winter.... Salted roads are worse than a crumbly, sagging headliner and cracked dash. Believe me. > (although living near the seacoast also corrodes autos.) > I have a pic somewhere I took two summers ago of a chain link fence at Redondo Beach. The side facing the ocean is corroded to holes. The other side still has the zinc coating on it. Amazing. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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