GasSaver

"joe" <none@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:NFiHl.69242$ua7.8564@newsfe17.iad...
> GasSaver wrote:
>
> <not much worth repeating>
>
> If you want to be taken seriously,
>
> 1) Explain how your improvement works. If you've applied for a patent, or
> offered your product for general sale (like hawking it on a newsgroup)
> then
> you have nothing to hide.
>
> 2) Explain how you account for the dominant factor in highway mileage,
> i.e.,
> wind resistance.
>
> 3) Are you actually reducing fuel consumption, or augmenting the fuel
> with
> an alternative, like propane, which can reduce the gasoline consumption,
> but does not reduce the overall fuel consumption?
>
> 4) Do you modify the entire drive train to handle the stress of the extra
> HP
> you claim to achieve?
>
> 5) Show us independent, credible, verification that what you do actually
> works as you claim.
>
> 6) Explain why you are trying to make it rich one car at a time, when a
> real
> invention with the benefits you claim would be worth millions to the
> automotive industry.
>
> Until you can show the above, I won't consider your claims to be
> legitimate.
>


Joe, please go to this web-site:

www.extra150miles.com

It will open your mind. If you bought a hybrid already then you can always
resell it. The word "1-yr Warranty will be printed on your receipt" We
are law-abiding company and citizens.

Cheers,

GasSaver.

BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any models
C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our
Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference.
www.extra150miles.com

willshak

on 4/22/2009 10:31 PM (ET) GasSaver wrote the following:
> "joe" <none@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:NFiHl.69242$ua7.8564@newsfe17.iad...
>
>> GasSaver wrote:
>>
>> <not much worth repeating>
>>
>> If you want to be taken seriously,
>>
>> 1) Explain how your improvement works. If you've applied for a patent, or
>> offered your product for general sale (like hawking it on a newsgroup)
>> then
>> you have nothing to hide.
>>
>> 2) Explain how you account for the dominant factor in highway mileage,
>> i.e.,
>> wind resistance.
>>
>> 3) Are you actually reducing fuel consumption, or augmenting the fuel
>> with
>> an alternative, like propane, which can reduce the gasoline consumption,
>> but does not reduce the overall fuel consumption?
>>
>> 4) Do you modify the entire drive train to handle the stress of the extra
>> HP
>> you claim to achieve?
>>
>> 5) Show us independent, credible, verification that what you do actually
>> works as you claim.
>>
>> 6) Explain why you are trying to make it rich one car at a time, when a
>> real
>> invention with the benefits you claim would be worth millions to the
>> automotive industry.
>>
>> Until you can show the above, I won't consider your claims to be
>> legitimate.
>>
>>
>
>
> Joe, please go to this web-site:
>
> www.extra150miles.com
>
> It will open your mind. If you bought a hybrid already then you can always
> resell it. The word "1-yr Warranty will be printed on your receipt" We
> are law-abiding company and citizens.
>
> Cheers,
>
> GasSaver.
>
> BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any models
> C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our
> Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference.
> www.extra150miles.com
>
>
>

I went to your site and there is one thing there that will definitely
improve gas mileage.
Use of the ScanGauge II, pictured on your home page, which will show you
how to improve your driving habits to improve MPG.
However, your use of this gauge as proof of the MPG gained with your
system is misleading.
I have a ScanGauge II mounted on my dashboard. I have a 1997 Nissan PU
with the 2.4 liter, 4 cylinder FI engine which EPA Highway rating was 19
MPG at the time of its manufacture.
The figures on your ScanGauge are no proof of anything that you have
done. I can get any MPG reading, RPM reading, or even gallons used per
hour on my ScanGauge by merely letting up on the gas pedal at any speed.
At 80 miles per hour, I can get a MPG reading in the hundreds by taking
my foot off the gas pedal. Letting up on the gas pedal and pushing the
clutch in when going downhill.will give me a 9999 MPG reading.
When someone uses a deception as proof of something, as you have, I feel
there are more deceptive statements lurking in their 'proofs'.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Gordon McGrew

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:59:18 -0400, willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com>
wrote:

>on 4/22/2009 10:31 PM (ET) GasSaver wrote the following:
>> "joe" <none@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:NFiHl.69242$ua7.8564@newsfe17.iad...
>>
>>> GasSaver wrote:
>>>
>>> <not much worth repeating>
>>>
>>> If you want to be taken seriously,
>>>
>>> 1) Explain how your improvement works. If you've applied for a patent, or
>>> offered your product for general sale (like hawking it on a newsgroup)
>>> then
>>> you have nothing to hide.
>>>
>>> 2) Explain how you account for the dominant factor in highway mileage,
>>> i.e.,
>>> wind resistance.
>>>
>>> 3) Are you actually reducing fuel consumption, or augmenting the fuel
>>> with
>>> an alternative, like propane, which can reduce the gasoline consumption,
>>> but does not reduce the overall fuel consumption?
>>>
>>> 4) Do you modify the entire drive train to handle the stress of the extra
>>> HP
>>> you claim to achieve?
>>>
>>> 5) Show us independent, credible, verification that what you do actually
>>> works as you claim.
>>>
>>> 6) Explain why you are trying to make it rich one car at a time, when a
>>> real
>>> invention with the benefits you claim would be worth millions to the
>>> automotive industry.
>>>
>>> Until you can show the above, I won't consider your claims to be
>>> legitimate.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Joe, please go to this web-site:
>>
>> www.extra150miles.com
>>
>> It will open your mind. If you bought a hybrid already then you can always
>> resell it. The word "1-yr Warranty will be printed on your receipt" We
>> are law-abiding company and citizens.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> GasSaver.
>>
>> BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any models
>> C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our
>> Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference.
>> www.extra150miles.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>I went to your site and there is one thing there that will definitely
>improve gas mileage.
>Use of the ScanGauge II, pictured on your home page, which will show you
>how to improve your driving habits to improve MPG.
>However, your use of this gauge as proof of the MPG gained with your
>system is misleading.
>I have a ScanGauge II mounted on my dashboard. I have a 1997 Nissan PU
>with the 2.4 liter, 4 cylinder FI engine which EPA Highway rating was 19
>MPG at the time of its manufacture.
>The figures on your ScanGauge are no proof of anything that you have
>done. I can get any MPG reading, RPM reading, or even gallons used per
>hour on my ScanGauge by merely letting up on the gas pedal at any speed.
>At 80 miles per hour, I can get a MPG reading in the hundreds by taking
>my foot off the gas pedal. Letting up on the gas pedal and pushing the
>clutch in when going downhill.will give me a 9999 MPG reading.
>When someone uses a deception as proof of something, as you have, I feel
>there are more deceptive statements lurking in their 'proofs'.

This is exactly right. Nothing on the website proves or even explains
anything. Yes, we (and every automotive engineer) know that friction
and the combustion processes have inefficiencies. Auto companies have
spent billions to minimize these losses with significant results. Now
you have a mystery tune-up that magically triples gas mileage and you
are hawking it on usenet. Is there any real question why NO ONE takes
you seriously. You are either a fraud or a lunatic.

Clive

In message <tlp0v49oertq6s5b0ef1ps7bivfqj4be0r@4ax.com>, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> writes
>This is exactly right. Nothing on the website proves or even explains
>anything. Yes, we (and every automotive engineer) know that friction
>and the combustion processes have inefficiencies. Auto companies have
>spent billions to minimize these losses with significant results. Now
>you have a mystery tune-up that magically triples gas mileage and you
>are hawking it on usenet. Is there any real question why NO ONE takes
>you seriously. You are either a fraud or a lunatic.
Fraud, there's always some mug prepared to part with hard earned cash
for empty promises.
--
Clive

willshak

on 4/23/2009 9:25 AM (ET) Clive wrote the following:
> In message <tlp0v49oertq6s5b0ef1ps7bivfqj4be0r@4ax.com>, Gordon McGrew
> <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> writes
>> This is exactly right. Nothing on the website proves or even explains
>> anything. Yes, we (and every automotive engineer) know that friction
>> and the combustion processes have inefficiencies. Auto companies have
>> spent billions to minimize these losses with significant results. Now
>> you have a mystery tune-up that magically triples gas mileage and you
>> are hawking it on usenet. Is there any real question why NO ONE takes
>> you seriously. You are either a fraud or a lunatic.
> Fraud, there's always some mug prepared to part with hard earned cash
> for empty promises.
Back when I started driving in the early 50s, I bought almost every gas
saving device offered by snake salesman. This one provides a 20%
increase in gas mileage, this other one provides a 30% savings in gas,
etc. etc. I had over a 100% percent savings in gas after all were installed.
The only problem I had was that about every 100 miles or so, I had to
stop and drain some of the gas out of the tank because it would overflow
otherwise. :-)

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

GasSaver

"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:tlp0v49oertq6s5b0ef1ps7bivfqj4be0r@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:59:18 -0400, willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>on 4/22/2009 10:31 PM (ET) GasSaver wrote the following:
>>> "joe" <none@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:NFiHl.69242$ua7.8564@newsfe17.iad...
>>>
>>>> GasSaver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <not much worth repeating>
>>>>
>>>> If you want to be taken seriously,
>>>>
>>>> 1) Explain how your improvement works. If you've applied for a patent,
>>>> or
>>>> offered your product for general sale (like hawking it on a newsgroup)
>>>> then
>>>> you have nothing to hide.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Explain how you account for the dominant factor in highway mileage,
>>>> i.e.,
>>>> wind resistance.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Are you actually reducing fuel consumption, or augmenting the fuel
>>>> with
>>>> an alternative, like propane, which can reduce the gasoline
>>>> consumption,
>>>> but does not reduce the overall fuel consumption?
>>>>
>>>> 4) Do you modify the entire drive train to handle the stress of the
>>>> extra
>>>> HP
>>>> you claim to achieve?
>>>>
>>>> 5) Show us independent, credible, verification that what you do
>>>> actually
>>>> works as you claim.
>>>>
>>>> 6) Explain why you are trying to make it rich one car at a time, when
>>>> a
>>>> real
>>>> invention with the benefits you claim would be worth millions to the
>>>> automotive industry.
>>>>
>>>> Until you can show the above, I won't consider your claims to be
>>>> legitimate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe, please go to this web-site:
>>>
>>> www.extra150miles.com
>>>
>>> It will open your mind. If you bought a hybrid already then you can
>>> always
>>> resell it. The word "1-yr Warranty will be printed on your receipt"
>>> We
>>> are law-abiding company and citizens.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> GasSaver.
>>>
>>> BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any
>>> models
>>> C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our
>>> Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference.
>>> www.extra150miles.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I went to your site and there is one thing there that will definitely
>>improve gas mileage.
>>Use of the ScanGauge II, pictured on your home page, which will show you
>>how to improve your driving habits to improve MPG.
>>However, your use of this gauge as proof of the MPG gained with your
>>system is misleading.
>>I have a ScanGauge II mounted on my dashboard. I have a 1997 Nissan PU
>>with the 2.4 liter, 4 cylinder FI engine which EPA Highway rating was 19
>>MPG at the time of its manufacture.
>>The figures on your ScanGauge are no proof of anything that you have
>>done.

Joe sorry I don't understand what you're trying to tell me with your car
and our video. Don';t be confused with dynamic MPG display with Average
MPG display. Go to Scangauge or just forget it for now, I will show you a
new proof you'd never seen before. A full video of a 75 miles trip from
Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to show
you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your security
sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving, after
40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that video
to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.

>> I can get any MPG reading, RPM reading, or even gallons used per
>>hour on my ScanGauge by merely letting up on the gas pedal at any speed.
>>At 80 miles per hour, I can get a MPG reading in the hundreds by taking
>>my foot off the gas pedal. Letting up on the gas pedal and pushing the
>>clutch in when going downhill.will give me a 9999 MPG reading.
>>When someone uses a deception as proof of something, as you have, I feel
>>there are more deceptive statements lurking in their 'proofs'.


Joe, you misunderstand, OFS doesn't make Scangauge, the scanguageII showing
9999MPG is not our deceptive proof of anything, It is a Scangauge way of
telling people that the fuel line is cut off by a car computer, they say
but I can't substantiate that claim. Please don't assume it was our
intention to deceive any one.


> This is exactly right. Nothing on the website proves or even explains
> anything. Yes, we (and every automotive engineer) know that friction
> and the combustion processes have inefficiencies. Auto companies have
> spent billions to minimize these losses with significant results. Now
> you have a mystery tune-up that magically triples gas mileage and you
> are hawking it on usenet. Is there any real question why NO ONE takes
> you seriously. You are either a fraud or a lunatic.
>

Lunatic or not it's only your frame of reference. Yes you know about
frictions but you don't do anything about them, that's what eat your pocket
up alive, further more you standardize the frictions in your brake system.
You called them by-design or your laws-of-physics. "They are NOT any laws
of physics, they are your design failure". Look at your GM and FORD today,
their failures mimic your thinking. That's the real fraud for not telling
people of their inability to correct the problems.

This is why I offer you guys to make a full video of a 75 miles trip from
Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to show
you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your security
sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving, after
40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that video
to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.

Enrico Fermi

> Lunatic or not it's only your frame of reference. Yes you know about
> frictions but you don't do anything about them, that's what eat your
> pocket
> up alive, further more you standardize the frictions in your brake
> system.
> You called them by-design or your laws-of-physics. "They are NOT any laws
> of physics, they are your design failure". Look at your GM and FORD
> today,
> their failures mimic your thinking. That's the real fraud for not telling
> people of their inability to correct the problems.
>
> This is why I offer you guys to make a full video of a 75 miles trip from
> Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to show
> you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your
> security
> sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
> will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving,
> after
> 40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that
> video
> to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.

How amusing The frictions from my security sticker are eating up my
pockets alive. The people are being defrauded because of their inabability
to correct their problems. OMG! My fuel gauge refuses to go down on me. At
least he's willing to squeeze my video. I've got a big one; might take two
hands---could be nice. Best way to save gasoline: Ride your bicycle to
work. This poor fellow's Mom & Dad deserve a tax rebate for his public
school education. Take the money you save riding your bike and invest it in
a decent education for your kids....

GasSaver

"Enrico Fermi" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:c93Il.16922$D32.14608@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
>> Lunatic or not it's only your frame of reference. Yes you know about
>> frictions but you don't do anything about them, that's what eat your
>> pocket
>> up alive, further more you standardize the frictions in your brake
>> system.
>> You called them by-design or your laws-of-physics. "They are NOT any
>> laws
>> of physics, they are your design failure". Look at your GM and FORD
>> today,
>> their failures mimic your thinking. That's the real fraud for not
>> telling
>> people of their inability to correct the problems.
>>
>> This is why I offer you guys to make a full video of a 75 miles trip
>> from
>> Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to
>> show
>> you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your
>> security
>> sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
>> will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving,
>> after
>> 40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that
>> video
>> to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.
>
> How amusing The frictions from my security sticker are eating up my
> pockets alive. The people are being defrauded because of their
> inabability
> to correct their problems. OMG! My fuel gauge refuses to go down on me.
> At
> least he's willing to squeeze my video. I've got a big one; might take
> two
> hands---could be nice. Best way to save gasoline: Ride your bicycle to
> work. This poor fellow's Mom & Dad deserve a tax rebate for his public
> school education. Take the money you save riding your bike and invest it
> in
> a decent education for your kids....
>


No time for you Amigos. The mark of your vehicle tells how much education
you have, America's falling apart is another example.

Dillon Pyron

Thus spake "GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> :

>
>"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
>news:michelle-37832E.11043720042009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
>> In article <N-GdnVHGR92GD3HUnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@posted.toastnet>,
>> "GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the thing, when I drive behind you, all you do to me is giving
>>> me a bad look and accusing me of driving aggressive when in fact
>>> you're driving a turtle that sucks all your gases. The mistakes you
>>> made are:
>>>
>>> 1) You bought a turtle hybrid, unsafe, not enough room.
>>>
>>> 2) You made the Japanese rich because they do the same thing we do,
>>> they call theirs a hybrid. We call it ours a Tune-up.
>>
>> Thus demonstrating that you don't know anything about hybrid vehicles.
>> Thanks for proving that you are a charlatan and a fraud.
>
>
>Michelle Steiner claims she knows alot about fraud and hybrid vehicles,
>here you go:
>
>
>1) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Honda Sued Over Hybrid Mileage
>
>http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...sued-over.html
>
>
>2) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Why hybrids are crap:
>
>>"Ted" <the_busmaster@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:4608b6fd-9d52-4ea4-a96e->4e8285dfbfd9@v19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>I just returned from a 700 mile trip up and across NY State. It
>> included mountainous terrain and an average speed of 70+ mph (with the
>> A/C on). I got 28 mpg all told. What I find amazing is that this is
>> a 3700 lb plus car with 3 fairly heavy people. The car was an 07
>> Malibu Maxx SS with the 3.9L engine. On the other hand, making this
>> same trip with a Honda Civic Hybrid, I only got about 8 mpg more. I
>> had to take hills into more consideration as the car was underpowered.
>> To go with that, I had to leave the A/C off, go slower because the
>> ultra super low rolling resistance tires tended to skid when braking,
>> and I got a sore behind in the bargain from being shoved into a tin
>> can. I think we have and do make wonderful cars.
>
>
>
>*** Some companies just turn an alternator into a DC motor and
>call their vehicle a hybrid.

Um, wouldn't that be an AC motor? An alternator is AC, a generator is
DC.

The diesel-electric locomotive has done a great job in fuel
efficiency. It might seem like a huge fuel burner, but look at the
ton-miles per gallon.

Now, if GM could translate their success over the last 60 years to
cars ...

>
>Ted is right, ask yourself how often do you brake any way? 5% of your
>whole trip? That's why you don't gain much from your heavy batteries. I
>take it Michelle works for a car dealer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--

- dillon I am not invalid

The RMS Titanic sank on April 15th. US income taxes
are due on April 15th. Coincidence? I think not.

Dillon Pyron

Thus spake Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> :

>On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:59:21 -0700, Michelle Steiner
><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>In article <dtOdnTvmtNu4lHPUnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@posted.toastnet> ,
>> "GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would Honda think that I'd want a hybrid that gets worse gas
>>> mileage then some normal cars? ...
>>> http://www.hybridcars.com/news/detro...ght-25413.html
>>
>>What normal cars get better gas mileage than the Insight? The morons on
>>that site are trying to compare their own mileage with the Insight's EPA
>>estimated mileage, and that's an invalid comparison. Further, the Yaris
>>and the Insight are different classes of cars, further making the
>>comparison invalid.
>>
>>Oh, and I'm a Prius owner, and I doubt that I'd ever buy an Insight.
>
>
>
>If you go here:
>
>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm
>
>you can look up EPA and actual user mpg for most cars. Look at 2008
>models to get a good population of real owners' fuel economy
>experiences. The most efficient cars are:
>
>2008 Model EPA city/hwy/comb. Owner mpg (# owners)
>Prius 48/45/46 46.2 (104)
>Civic Hybrid 40/45/42 45.7 (49)
>Smart For2 33/41/36 38.5 (40)
>
>So what have we learned?
>
>1. The top hybrids both get significantly better mileage than the
>teeny tiny Smart car, and way better than any other gas or diesel car
>on the market.
>
>2. The top hybrids both beat their EPA overall estimates, by a pretty
>big margin in the case of the Honda.

As was pointed out, a lot depends on the driving technique. When I
drive my Fit "conservatively", I can usually get 32 or so in town.
When I drive like I normally do, I get around 28.

When I make my occasional long haul (like the 240 miles to Houston), I
can get 35 at an average of 75.

>
>3. GasSaver is a lying sack of . No, wait. We already knew that.
>

Perhaps if he built a car that ran on methane, he could compost his
bullshit, extract the gas and go forever.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

The RMS Titanic sank on April 15th. US income taxes
are due on April 15th. Coincidence? I think not.

GasSaver

"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e652v4tq5j9hp2kaa17mcmaupe0ohdts4m@4ax.com...
> Thus spake Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> :
>
>>On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:59:21 -0700, Michelle Steiner
>><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <dtOdnTvmtNu4lHPUnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@posted.toastnet> ,
>>> "GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would Honda think that I'd want a hybrid that gets worse gas
>>>> mileage then some normal cars? ...
>>>> http://www.hybridcars.com/news/detro...ght-25413.html
>>>
>>>What normal cars get better gas mileage than the Insight? The morons on
>>>that site are trying to compare their own mileage with the Insight's EPA
>>>estimated mileage, and that's an invalid comparison. Further, the Yaris
>>>and the Insight are different classes of cars, further making the
>>>comparison invalid.
>>>
>>>Oh, and I'm a Prius owner, and I doubt that I'd ever buy an Insight.


Agreed.



>>If you go here:
>>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm
>>you can look up EPA and actual user mpg for most cars. Look at 2008
>>models to get a good population of real owners' fuel economy
>>experiences. The most efficient cars are:
>>
>>2008 Model EPA city/hwy/comb. Owner mpg (# owners)
>>Prius 48/45/46 46.2 (104)
>>Civic Hybrid 40/45/42 45.7 (49)
>>Smart For2 33/41/36 38.5 (40)
>>
These little cars will send you to cemetery quicker than you think, No
protection, Too thin. Until something terrible happened first then you'll
learn.

Plus, below is the thing unwise thinkers usually fall for:

> How to Build a Hydrogen Gas Generator - Increase Your Gas Mileage
> http://automotive-industry-news.50we..._Generator.htm

Even with 2-psi LPG (Propane gas) it can't move your car, why do you people
think it's going to save you gas?

Mike Rosenberg

GasSaver <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote:

> >>2008 Model EPA city/hwy/comb. Owner mpg (# owners)
> >>Prius 48/45/46 46.2 (104)
> >>Civic Hybrid 40/45/42 45.7 (49)
> >>Smart For2 33/41/36 38.5 (40)
> >>
> These little cars will send you to cemetery quicker than you think, No
> protection, Too thin. Until something terrible happened first then you'll
> learn.

"These little cars"? Your so-called credibility drops with each post you
make. The Prius is _not_ a little car by any means, and it does
extremely well in crash tests. Ask the SUV driver who rear-ended my car
last summer how well a Prius holds up in an accident. Her SUV needed to
be towed, I just needed my bumper replaced.

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:27:22 -0500, Dillon Pyron
<invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>Thus spake Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> :
>
>>On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:59:21 -0700, Michelle Steiner
>><michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <dtOdnTvmtNu4lHPUnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@posted.toastnet> ,
>>> "GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would Honda think that I'd want a hybrid that gets worse gas
>>>> mileage then some normal cars? ...
>>>> http://www.hybridcars.com/news/detro...ght-25413.html
>>>
>>>What normal cars get better gas mileage than the Insight? The morons on
>>>that site are trying to compare their own mileage with the Insight's EPA
>>>estimated mileage, and that's an invalid comparison. Further, the Yaris
>>>and the Insight are different classes of cars, further making the
>>>comparison invalid.
>>>
>>>Oh, and I'm a Prius owner, and I doubt that I'd ever buy an Insight.
>>
>>
>>
>>If you go here:
>>
>>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm
>>
>>you can look up EPA and actual user mpg for most cars. Look at 2008
>>models to get a good population of real owners' fuel economy
>>experiences. The most efficient cars are:
>>
>>2008 Model EPA city/hwy/comb. Owner mpg (# owners)
>>Prius 48/45/46 46.2 (104)
>>Civic Hybrid 40/45/42 45.7 (49)
>>Smart For2 33/41/36 38.5 (40)
>>
>>So what have we learned?
>>
>>1. The top hybrids both get significantly better mileage than the
>>teeny tiny Smart car, and way better than any other gas or diesel car
>>on the market.
>>
>>2. The top hybrids both beat their EPA overall estimates, by a pretty
>>big margin in the case of the Honda.
>
>As was pointed out, a lot depends on the driving technique. When I
>drive my Fit "conservatively", I can usually get 32 or so in town.
>When I drive like I normally do, I get around 28.

Wow, I can drive my GS-R like I stole it and still get 24mpg. I don't
know how much more I could if I drove it conservatively because I have
only had the car 12 years and I haven't gotten around to testing that
yet ;-)

>When I make my occasional long haul (like the 240 miles to Houston), I
>can get 35 at an average of 75.

The GS-R still gets about 24 mpg at a constant 75.

>>
>>3. GasSaver is a lying sack of . No, wait. We already knew that.
>>
>
>Perhaps if he built a car that ran on methane, he could compost his
>bullshit, extract the gas and go forever.

At least the thermodynamics work out on that plan.

Michelle Steiner

In article <1iyoqcd.gtr1kf7x5yv2N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult. com>,
mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> > >>2008 Model EPA city/hwy/comb. Owner mpg (# owners)
> > >>Prius 48/45/46 46.2 (104)
> > >>Civic Hybrid 40/45/42 45.7 (49)
> > >>Smart For2 33/41/36 38.5 (40)
> > >>
> > These little cars will send you to cemetery quicker than you think,
> > No protection, Too thin. Until something terrible happened first
> > then you'll learn.
>
> "These little cars"? Your so-called credibility drops with each post
> you make. The Prius is _not_ a little car by any means, and it does
> extremely well in crash tests.

Maybe he meant the Smart for 2.

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Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > >>2008 Model EPA city/hwy/comb. Owner mpg (# owners)
> > > >>Prius 48/45/46 46.2 (104)
> > > >>Civic Hybrid 40/45/42 45.7 (49)
> > > >>Smart For2 33/41/36 38.5 (40)
> > > >>
> > > These little cars will send you to cemetery quicker than you think,
> > > No protection, Too thin. Until something terrible happened first
> > > then you'll learn.
> >
> > "These little cars"? Your so-called credibility drops with each post
> > you make. The Prius is _not_ a little car by any means, and it does
> > extremely well in crash tests.
>
> Maybe he meant the Smart for 2.

Well, if he meant only that one, he should have made it clear. However,
from another post of his (you'll likely have read it by the time you
read this post), it's clear he claims the Prius is a death trap.

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