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Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Michael Pardee wrote: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message > news:ij3Xh.70489$VU4.26659@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >>Michael Pardee wrote: >> >> >> >>snip >> >> >> >> >>>Don't listen to anybody who tries to tell you the bolt can be loosened by >>>putting the handle of a socket wrench on a jackstand and hitting the >>>starter. The engine turns the wrong way 8^O >>> >>>Mike again >> >> >> >>Awwww, you just don't want to see him flip the car over on its back! >> >><G> >> >> >>JT >> >> >> > > I only tried that once, on an old Toyota. It scared the bejeebers out of > me - for some odd reason I didn't expect the front of the car to rise > several inches when I bumped the starter. And that was a succesful > operation.... > > Mike > In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number went their "own" way... JT |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Michael Pardee wrote: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message > news:ij3Xh.70489$VU4.26659@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >>Michael Pardee wrote: >> >> >> >>snip >> >> >> >> >>>Don't listen to anybody who tries to tell you the bolt can be loosened by >>>putting the handle of a socket wrench on a jackstand and hitting the >>>starter. The engine turns the wrong way 8^O >>> >>>Mike again >> >> >> >>Awwww, you just don't want to see him flip the car over on its back! >> >><G> >> >> >>JT >> >> >> > > I only tried that once, on an old Toyota. It scared the bejeebers out of > me - for some odd reason I didn't expect the front of the car to rise > several inches when I bumped the starter. And that was a succesful > operation.... > > Mike > In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number went their "own" way... JT |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:Rz9Xh.352199$5j1.36253@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking > up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number > went their "own" way... > > JT > Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his Cessna 140 :-( It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they used a fairly high gear? |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:Rz9Xh.352199$5j1.36253@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking > up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number > went their "own" way... > > JT > Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his Cessna 140 :-( It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they used a fairly high gear? |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Michael Pardee wrote: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message > news:Rz9Xh.352199$5j1.36253@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >>In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking >>up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number >>went their "own" way... >> >>JT >> > > > Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit > too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his > Cessna 140 :-( > > It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they > used a fairly high gear? > > I never saw it in person but remember vivid tales told by my grandfather... JT |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Michael Pardee wrote: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message > news:Rz9Xh.352199$5j1.36253@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >>In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking >>up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number >>went their "own" way... >> >>JT >> > > > Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit > too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his > Cessna 140 :-( > > It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they > used a fairly high gear? > > I never saw it in person but remember vivid tales told by my grandfather... JT |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in > news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone tell >> me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >> >> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >> >> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >> >> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a > > > > You don't need any of that stuff. > > Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place for > about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so little effort > you'll think you're in paradise. should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. > > The black 19mm deep socket can be had at any hardware store for about $10. > > > |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in > news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone tell >> me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >> >> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >> >> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >> >> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a > > > > You don't need any of that stuff. > > Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place for > about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so little effort > you'll think you're in paradise. should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. > > The black 19mm deep socket can be had at any hardware store for about $10. > > > |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > Tegger wrote: >> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>> >>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>> >>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>> >>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >> >> >> >> You don't need any of that stuff. >> >> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place >> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so >> little effort you'll think you're in paradise. > > should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. > Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the tranny in gear. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > Tegger wrote: >> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>> >>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>> >>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>> >>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >> >> >> >> You don't need any of that stuff. >> >> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place >> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so >> little effort you'll think you're in paradise. > > should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. > Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the tranny in gear. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >>> >>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>>> >>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>>> >>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>>> >>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >>> >>> >>> You don't need any of that stuff. >>> >>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place >>> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so >>> little effort you'll think you're in paradise. >> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. >> > > > > Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. > > With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the > tranny in gear. > > > still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that affects ability to set torque correctly. |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >>> >>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>>> >>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>>> >>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>>> >>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >>> >>> >>> You don't need any of that stuff. >>> >>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place >>> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so >>> little effort you'll think you're in paradise. >> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. >> > > > > Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. > > With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the > tranny in gear. > > > still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that affects ability to set torque correctly. |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > Tegger wrote: >> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >> >>> Tegger wrote: >>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>> >>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>>>> >>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>>>> >>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>>>> >>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >>>> >>>> >>>> You don't need any of that stuff. >>>> >>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental >>>> place for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off >>>> with so little effort you'll think you're in paradise. >>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. >>> >> >> >> >> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. >> >> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal >> with the tranny in gear. >> >> >> > still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash > in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that > affects ability to set torque correctly. > It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be doing anyway. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > Tegger wrote: >> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >> >>> Tegger wrote: >>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>> >>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>>>> >>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>>>> >>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>>>> >>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >>>> >>>> >>>> You don't need any of that stuff. >>>> >>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental >>>> place for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off >>>> with so little effort you'll think you're in paradise. >>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. >>> >> >> >> >> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. >> >> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal >> with the tranny in gear. >> >> >> > still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash > in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that > affects ability to set torque correctly. > It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be doing anyway. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >>> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >>> >>>> Tegger wrote: >>>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>> >>>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>>>>> >>>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>>>>> >>>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>>>>> >>>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >>>>> >>>>> You don't need any of that stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental >>>>> place for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off >>>>> with so little effort you'll think you're in paradise. >>>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. >>> >>> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal >>> with the tranny in gear. >>> >>> >>> >> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash >> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that >> affects ability to set torque correctly. >> > > > It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be > doing anyway. > you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if there's too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is uneven - the more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to momentarily lock movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be turning the wrench smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is not resisting smoothly. |
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