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Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >>> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >>> >>>> Tegger wrote: >>>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>> >>>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone >>>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda? >>>>>> >>>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A , >>>>>> >>>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and >>>>>> >>>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a >>>>> >>>>> You don't need any of that stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental >>>>> place for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off >>>>> with so little effort you'll think you're in paradise. >>>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic. >>> >>> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal >>> with the tranny in gear. >>> >>> >>> >> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash >> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that >> affects ability to set torque correctly. >> > > > It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be > doing anyway. > you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if there's too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is uneven - the more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to momentarily lock movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be turning the wrench smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is not resisting smoothly. |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:V_GdnXGTW-OxZrDbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@speakeasy.net: > Tegger wrote: >> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >> news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >> >>>> >>> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash >>> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that >>> affects ability to set torque correctly. >>> >> >> >> It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you >> should be doing anyway. >> > you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if > there's too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is > uneven - the more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to > momentarily lock movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be > turning the wrench smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is > not resisting smoothly. > Resistance is quite regular and smooth, actually. Drivetrain lash is negligible compared to the amount of compression undergone by the clutch friction disc springs. If you have a helper step on the brakes, you feel the lash being taken up, then you feel the clutch springs compressing. It's fairly predictable, and amounts to having a really long extension on your torque wrench. Now if you had an automatic, how would you hold the pulley still for bolt-tightening without a proper pulley-holder tool? That would be tough, wouldn't it? When I did my wife's (automatic) Tercel's timing belt last year, I had to fabricate a simple tool to hold the pulley still. It's just a three- foot length of steel with two holes drilled in it. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ulley_tool.jpg http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...tool_close.jpg Luckily, Toyota designed the pulley in such a way that it was possible to bolt a holder in place. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:V_GdnXGTW-OxZrDbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@speakeasy.net: > Tegger wrote: >> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >> news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >> >>>> >>> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash >>> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that >>> affects ability to set torque correctly. >>> >> >> >> It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you >> should be doing anyway. >> > you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if > there's too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is > uneven - the more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to > momentarily lock movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be > turning the wrench smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is > not resisting smoothly. > Resistance is quite regular and smooth, actually. Drivetrain lash is negligible compared to the amount of compression undergone by the clutch friction disc springs. If you have a helper step on the brakes, you feel the lash being taken up, then you feel the clutch springs compressing. It's fairly predictable, and amounts to having a really long extension on your torque wrench. Now if you had an automatic, how would you hold the pulley still for bolt-tightening without a proper pulley-holder tool? That would be tough, wouldn't it? When I did my wife's (automatic) Tercel's timing belt last year, I had to fabricate a simple tool to hold the pulley still. It's just a three- foot length of steel with two holes drilled in it. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ulley_tool.jpg http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...tool_close.jpg Luckily, Toyota designed the pulley in such a way that it was possible to bolt a holder in place. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:V_GdnXGTW-OxZrDbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@speakeasy.net: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >>> news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >>> > >>>> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash >>>> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that >>>> affects ability to set torque correctly. >>>> >>> >>> It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you >>> should be doing anyway. >>> >> you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if >> there's too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is >> uneven - the more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to >> momentarily lock movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be >> turning the wrench smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is >> not resisting smoothly. >> > > > > Resistance is quite regular and smooth, actually. Drivetrain lash is > negligible compared to the amount of compression undergone by the clutch > friction disc springs. the springs are a good point - i'd overlooked that! technically though, you can't rely on long elastic paths of travel for this stuff. if you look at strain gauges when torquing bolts, it's actually a series of lurches. springiness in the system allows more deflection per lurch, and will often omit the final stage. that's why you have torque extensions for impact tools - you can apply big torque at one end, but the other end won't over-tighten. correspondingly, "stiff" pulley bolts are devils to manually loosen with 1/2" extensions, but they come off easy with 3/4" tools. same applied torque in either case. > > If you have a helper step on the brakes, you feel the lash being taken > up, then you feel the clutch springs compressing. It's fairly > predictable, and amounts to having a really long extension on your > torque wrench. > > Now if you had an automatic, how would you hold the pulley still for > bolt-tightening without a proper pulley-holder tool? That would be > tough, wouldn't it? > > When I did my wife's (automatic) Tercel's timing belt last year, I had > to fabricate a simple tool to hold the pulley still. It's just a three- > foot length of steel with two holes drilled in it. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ulley_tool.jpg > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...tool_close.jpg > > Luckily, Toyota designed the pulley in such a way that it was possible > to bolt a holder in place. > > |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:V_GdnXGTW-OxZrDbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@speakeasy.net: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in >>> news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >>> > >>>> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash >>>> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that >>>> affects ability to set torque correctly. >>>> >>> >>> It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you >>> should be doing anyway. >>> >> you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if >> there's too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is >> uneven - the more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to >> momentarily lock movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be >> turning the wrench smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is >> not resisting smoothly. >> > > > > Resistance is quite regular and smooth, actually. Drivetrain lash is > negligible compared to the amount of compression undergone by the clutch > friction disc springs. the springs are a good point - i'd overlooked that! technically though, you can't rely on long elastic paths of travel for this stuff. if you look at strain gauges when torquing bolts, it's actually a series of lurches. springiness in the system allows more deflection per lurch, and will often omit the final stage. that's why you have torque extensions for impact tools - you can apply big torque at one end, but the other end won't over-tighten. correspondingly, "stiff" pulley bolts are devils to manually loosen with 1/2" extensions, but they come off easy with 3/4" tools. same applied torque in either case. > > If you have a helper step on the brakes, you feel the lash being taken > up, then you feel the clutch springs compressing. It's fairly > predictable, and amounts to having a really long extension on your > torque wrench. > > Now if you had an automatic, how would you hold the pulley still for > bolt-tightening without a proper pulley-holder tool? That would be > tough, wouldn't it? > > When I did my wife's (automatic) Tercel's timing belt last year, I had > to fabricate a simple tool to hold the pulley still. It's just a three- > foot length of steel with two holes drilled in it. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ulley_tool.jpg > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...tool_close.jpg > > Luckily, Toyota designed the pulley in such a way that it was possible > to bolt a holder in place. > > |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
In article <Xns991C658373BD3tegger@207.14.116.130>,
Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote: > > When I did my wife's (automatic) Tercel's timing belt last year, I had > to fabricate a simple tool to hold the pulley still. It's just a three- > foot length of steel with two holes drilled in it. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ulley_tool.jpg > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...tool_close.jpg Nice tool! Can you make me one? ;-) How about putting some thin nylon rope in the number 1 cylinder as it comes up on compression stroke? Kind of a PITA, but it works. I have heard of people using an impact wrench to tighten the crankshaft bolt. Kind of scary if you ask me... Pigeon |
Re: It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...
In article <Xns991C658373BD3tegger@207.14.116.130>,
Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote: > > When I did my wife's (automatic) Tercel's timing belt last year, I had > to fabricate a simple tool to hold the pulley still. It's just a three- > foot length of steel with two holes drilled in it. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ulley_tool.jpg > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...tool_close.jpg Nice tool! Can you make me one? ;-) How about putting some thin nylon rope in the number 1 cylinder as it comes up on compression stroke? Kind of a PITA, but it works. I have heard of people using an impact wrench to tighten the crankshaft bolt. Kind of scary if you ask me... Pigeon |
I used the Powebuiilt crankshaft tool . Got it from Amazon - Powerbuilt-648796 Crankcase PulleyRemova Tool
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