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Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
Elliot Richmond wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:26:00 -0700, Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote: > > >This page might be of interest to you... > >http://www.high-road.com/maintenance/maintenance.htm > > > >Eric > > It is interesting, but this is from a company that provides (sells) > service. For example, it has that 3000 mile oil change recommendation. > No automobile manufacturer has a recommended oil change interval that > short. Most are going to longer intervals. So, you asked for service mileage recommendations and I gave you a link for a well researched list based on roughly 25 years of empirical evidence (one of the owners of that shop is not just a "salesman" but also has a degree in mechanical engineering). However, all you appear to have done is shoot it down since you have already made your mind up about oil change intervals. While I'm not going to argue over the recommended length of oil change intervals, I really don't care when you change your oil or if you never do, one thing seems clear to me, you have already made up your mind and really didn't want a list of service mileage recommendations or you wouldn't have shot it down simply because you disagreed with only 2.5% of the information in the list. |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700, Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
>So, you asked for service mileage recommendations I did not ask for recommendations. You supplied some, I assume, in the interest of continuing the conversation. I replied with some alternative viewpoints, also in the interest of continuing the conversation. Do with them as you wish. Elliot Richmond Itinerant astronomy teacher Freelance science writer |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700, Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
>So, you asked for service mileage recommendations I did not ask for recommendations. You supplied some, I assume, in the interest of continuing the conversation. I replied with some alternative viewpoints, also in the interest of continuing the conversation. Do with them as you wish. Elliot Richmond Itinerant astronomy teacher Freelance science writer |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700, Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
>So, you asked for service mileage recommendations I did not ask for recommendations. You supplied some, I assume, in the interest of continuing the conversation. I replied with some alternative viewpoints, also in the interest of continuing the conversation. Do with them as you wish. Elliot Richmond Itinerant astronomy teacher Freelance science writer |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
Elliot Richmond wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700, Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote: > > >So, you asked for service mileage recommendations > > I did not ask for recommendations. Your original message... > Well, I dug out the owners manual, and looked for a schedule. > Instead, it told me that the computer would tell me when the > car needed service. No mileage schedule. I remembered the > collective wisdom of this group and that this subject was > discussed, so I dug through the archives. No mileage schedule. > I searched the internet. No mileage schedule. > > So, I replied to the email from the service facility, > explaining that all of the information I had was that the car > would tell me when it needed service and if the service manager > knew something I did not know, then he should share it with me. > Particularly, I wanted to know if there really was a mileage > schedule that supplemented the maintenance minders. |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
Elliot Richmond wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700, Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote: > > >So, you asked for service mileage recommendations > > I did not ask for recommendations. Your original message... > Well, I dug out the owners manual, and looked for a schedule. > Instead, it told me that the computer would tell me when the > car needed service. No mileage schedule. I remembered the > collective wisdom of this group and that this subject was > discussed, so I dug through the archives. No mileage schedule. > I searched the internet. No mileage schedule. > > So, I replied to the email from the service facility, > explaining that all of the information I had was that the car > would tell me when it needed service and if the service manager > knew something I did not know, then he should share it with me. > Particularly, I wanted to know if there really was a mileage > schedule that supplemented the maintenance minders. |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
Elliot Richmond wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700, Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote: > > >So, you asked for service mileage recommendations > > I did not ask for recommendations. Your original message... > Well, I dug out the owners manual, and looked for a schedule. > Instead, it told me that the computer would tell me when the > car needed service. No mileage schedule. I remembered the > collective wisdom of this group and that this subject was > discussed, so I dug through the archives. No mileage schedule. > I searched the internet. No mileage schedule. > > So, I replied to the email from the service facility, > explaining that all of the information I had was that the car > would tell me when it needed service and if the service manager > knew something I did not know, then he should share it with me. > Particularly, I wanted to know if there really was a mileage > schedule that supplemented the maintenance minders. |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote: > So, you asked for service mileage recommendations and I gave you a > link for a well researched list based on roughly 25 years of empirical > evidence (one of the owners of that shop is not just a "salesman" but > also has a degree in mechanical engineering). However, all you appear He asked for Honda's recommendation. You did not provide that in the least. Any recommendation of 3000 Miles on today's engines is not well researched. Not a single auto manufacturer recommends 3000 miles anymore, and there is a reason. It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order to compete with other manufacturers. Especially for Hondas and Toyotas, which sell (largely) on a history of longevity. It is not in their best interest to give a service recommendation that will decrease said lifespan. That reputation took decades to develop, and can be destroyed in just a few short years. It would likely be the death of the products future sales. -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote: > So, you asked for service mileage recommendations and I gave you a > link for a well researched list based on roughly 25 years of empirical > evidence (one of the owners of that shop is not just a "salesman" but > also has a degree in mechanical engineering). However, all you appear He asked for Honda's recommendation. You did not provide that in the least. Any recommendation of 3000 Miles on today's engines is not well researched. Not a single auto manufacturer recommends 3000 miles anymore, and there is a reason. It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order to compete with other manufacturers. Especially for Hondas and Toyotas, which sell (largely) on a history of longevity. It is not in their best interest to give a service recommendation that will decrease said lifespan. That reputation took decades to develop, and can be destroyed in just a few short years. It would likely be the death of the products future sales. -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote: > So, you asked for service mileage recommendations and I gave you a > link for a well researched list based on roughly 25 years of empirical > evidence (one of the owners of that shop is not just a "salesman" but > also has a degree in mechanical engineering). However, all you appear He asked for Honda's recommendation. You did not provide that in the least. Any recommendation of 3000 Miles on today's engines is not well researched. Not a single auto manufacturer recommends 3000 miles anymore, and there is a reason. It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order to compete with other manufacturers. Especially for Hondas and Toyotas, which sell (largely) on a history of longevity. It is not in their best interest to give a service recommendation that will decrease said lifespan. That reputation took decades to develop, and can be destroyed in just a few short years. It would likely be the death of the products future sales. -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
In article <20070817021953.3db1cc30@barada.griffincs.local> ,
Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote: > It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order > to compete with other manufacturers. You've never lived in the marketing world, have you? |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
In article <20070817021953.3db1cc30@barada.griffincs.local> ,
Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote: > It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order > to compete with other manufacturers. You've never lived in the marketing world, have you? |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
In article <20070817021953.3db1cc30@barada.griffincs.local> ,
Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote: > It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order > to compete with other manufacturers. You've never lived in the marketing world, have you? |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
In article <20070817021953.3db1cc30@barada.griffincs.local> ,
Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote: > It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order > to compete with other manufacturers. Especially for Hondas and Toyotas, > which sell (largely) on a history of longevity. A reputation which they don't hesitate to throw down the toilet. Case in point: Honda automatic transmissions hooked to V6 engines. Those transmissions were CRAP for a solid 6 years. Honda knows it. Everybody knows it. Honda was run by beancounters who threw away that Honda reputation for the sake of a few shekels. Case in point: Toyota sludge. They may have reputations for longevity, but when it comes to saving a few pennies, they will throw those reputations away without another thought. |
Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
In article <20070817021953.3db1cc30@barada.griffincs.local> ,
Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote: > It is silly to suggest that they give longer recommendations in order > to compete with other manufacturers. Especially for Hondas and Toyotas, > which sell (largely) on a history of longevity. A reputation which they don't hesitate to throw down the toilet. Case in point: Honda automatic transmissions hooked to V6 engines. Those transmissions were CRAP for a solid 6 years. Honda knows it. Everybody knows it. Honda was run by beancounters who threw away that Honda reputation for the sake of a few shekels. Case in point: Toyota sludge. They may have reputations for longevity, but when it comes to saving a few pennies, they will throw those reputations away without another thought. |
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