Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:39:21 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>Well, let's see. What are we supposed to take from what you originally
>said:
>
>In article <auc6c3h58i85rchcamapffi1t4iirpijt6@4ax.com>,
> Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:
>
>> Particularly, I wanted to know
>> if there really was a mileage schedule that supplemented the
>> maintenance minders.
>
>When you come to the newsgroup and say something like that, the
>implication (remember "conversational implicature"?) is that you're
>asking the readers if THEY know of a mileage schedule.

The only implication I can construct is that the statement was
directed to the service manager at the facility that had sent the
message to me.

Here is the original paragraph in question:

>So, I replied to the email from the service facility, explaining that
>all of the information I had was that the car would tell me when it
>needed service and if the service manager knew something I did not
>know, then he should share it with me. Particularly, I wanted to know
>if there really was a mileage schedule that supplemented the
>maintenance minders.

You did not quote that part about "replied to the service facility."

The question of whether I thought there really was a mileage schedule
had, I thought, already been settled. Here is the previous paragraph:

>Well, I dug out the owners manual, and looked for a schedule. Instead,
>it told me that the computer would tell me when the car needed
>service. No mileage schedule. I remembered the collective wisdom of
>this group and that this subject was discussed, so I dug through the
>archives. No mileage schedule. I searched the internet. No mileage
>schedule.

Notice the repetition for emphasis: "No mileage schedule." It was not
a question; it was a statement.

Eric, and possibly others, were misled by my message and interpreted
it as a request for information, in spite of the fact that I began
the message with.

>I thought the group might appreciate this short tale.

Clearly, my "tale" was not clear to some. But, I am now done with it.
The rest of you may continue to discuss it if you wish, but I would
suggest moving on to some other subject. Such as:

Do synthetics really extend the life of an engine when coupled with an
extended oil change interval to compensate for the extra cost of
synthetics over conventional oils?

Do synthetics really reduce dependency on petroleum based products to
any significant degree considering that in the time it takes to
"consume" five quarts of oil, which can actually be recycled, the car
will consume over 300 gallons of gasoline.


Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Freelance science writer

Chrysler two speed auto trans (was Maintenance Reminders redux)
 

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:37:23 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
wrote:

>My dad had 140,000 miles on his '58 Dodge Regent (Royal) by 1970. It was
>the talk of the neighborhood at the time. The engine smoked and the 2-
>speed automatic leaked badly.

Yeah, we had a 1956 Desoto with a 350 ci hemihead engine coupled to
that model transmission. The gear selector was a set of push buttons
at the far left side of the dashboard with a mechanical linkage to the
transmission.

Even with a two-speed, that thing was a rocket.


Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Freelance science writer

Chrysler two speed auto trans (was Maintenance Reminders redux)
 

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:37:23 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
wrote:

>My dad had 140,000 miles on his '58 Dodge Regent (Royal) by 1970. It was
>the talk of the neighborhood at the time. The engine smoked and the 2-
>speed automatic leaked badly.

Yeah, we had a 1956 Desoto with a 350 ci hemihead engine coupled to
that model transmission. The gear selector was a set of push buttons
at the far left side of the dashboard with a mechanical linkage to the
transmission.

Even with a two-speed, that thing was a rocket.


Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Freelance science writer

Chrysler two speed auto trans (was Maintenance Reminders redux)
 

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:37:23 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
wrote:

>My dad had 140,000 miles on his '58 Dodge Regent (Royal) by 1970. It was
>the talk of the neighborhood at the time. The engine smoked and the 2-
>speed automatic leaked badly.

Yeah, we had a 1956 Desoto with a 350 ci hemihead engine coupled to
that model transmission. The gear selector was a set of push buttons
at the far left side of the dashboard with a mechanical linkage to the
transmission.

Even with a two-speed, that thing was a rocket.


Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Freelance science writer

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

Elliot Richmond wrote:
<snip pedantry>
> Do synthetics really extend the life of an engine when coupled with an
> extended oil change interval to compensate for the extra cost of
> synthetics over conventional oils?

run doubled service intervals on conventional in your own car, then
report back.

>
> Do synthetics really reduce dependency on petroleum based products to
> any significant degree considering that in the time it takes to
> "consume" five quarts of oil, which can actually be recycled, the car
> will consume over 300 gallons of gasoline.

they can, yes. true synthetics can offer better lubricity and therefore
lower gas consumption. what's the break-even? 0.3% better gas
consumption? anything better than break-even is a benefit. that's not
including lower oil burn-off rates either.

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

Elliot Richmond wrote:
<snip pedantry>
> Do synthetics really extend the life of an engine when coupled with an
> extended oil change interval to compensate for the extra cost of
> synthetics over conventional oils?

run doubled service intervals on conventional in your own car, then
report back.

>
> Do synthetics really reduce dependency on petroleum based products to
> any significant degree considering that in the time it takes to
> "consume" five quarts of oil, which can actually be recycled, the car
> will consume over 300 gallons of gasoline.

they can, yes. true synthetics can offer better lubricity and therefore
lower gas consumption. what's the break-even? 0.3% better gas
consumption? anything better than break-even is a benefit. that's not
including lower oil burn-off rates either.

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

Elliot Richmond wrote:
<snip pedantry>
> Do synthetics really extend the life of an engine when coupled with an
> extended oil change interval to compensate for the extra cost of
> synthetics over conventional oils?

run doubled service intervals on conventional in your own car, then
report back.

>
> Do synthetics really reduce dependency on petroleum based products to
> any significant degree considering that in the time it takes to
> "consume" five quarts of oil, which can actually be recycled, the car
> will consume over 300 gallons of gasoline.

they can, yes. true synthetics can offer better lubricity and therefore
lower gas consumption. what's the break-even? 0.3% better gas
consumption? anything better than break-even is a benefit. that's not
including lower oil burn-off rates either.

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:23:23 -0500
Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:19:53 -0400, Joe LaVigne
> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
> >Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
> >
> >> So, you asked for service mileage recommendations <snip>
> >He asked for Honda's recommendation. <snip>
>
> Thanks, but actually, I did not ask even for that. I told a tale,
> which included a report of my lack of success in finding a recommended
> service interval, but that is not the same as asking for one. It may
> be a fine point, but recounting an anecdote is not the same as
> requesting information.
>
> I am sorry that Eric was offended. Sometimes these things just happen.
> I noticed he did reply to the list, but the reply showed up in my
> Agent as a graphics file which I did not open. So I do not know what
> Eric's reply was.

Part of your original post was: "Particularly, I wanted to know
if there really was a mileage schedule that supplemented the
maintenance minders." Since this is a discussion group, rather than a
storytelling one, I am sure that several people assumed you actually
wanted to know the answer...

--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:23:23 -0500
Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:19:53 -0400, Joe LaVigne
> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
> >Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
> >
> >> So, you asked for service mileage recommendations <snip>
> >He asked for Honda's recommendation. <snip>
>
> Thanks, but actually, I did not ask even for that. I told a tale,
> which included a report of my lack of success in finding a recommended
> service interval, but that is not the same as asking for one. It may
> be a fine point, but recounting an anecdote is not the same as
> requesting information.
>
> I am sorry that Eric was offended. Sometimes these things just happen.
> I noticed he did reply to the list, but the reply showed up in my
> Agent as a graphics file which I did not open. So I do not know what
> Eric's reply was.

Part of your original post was: "Particularly, I wanted to know
if there really was a mileage schedule that supplemented the
maintenance minders." Since this is a discussion group, rather than a
storytelling one, I am sure that several people assumed you actually
wanted to know the answer...

--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:23:23 -0500
Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:19:53 -0400, Joe LaVigne
> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
> >Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
> >
> >> So, you asked for service mileage recommendations <snip>
> >He asked for Honda's recommendation. <snip>
>
> Thanks, but actually, I did not ask even for that. I told a tale,
> which included a report of my lack of success in finding a recommended
> service interval, but that is not the same as asking for one. It may
> be a fine point, but recounting an anecdote is not the same as
> requesting information.
>
> I am sorry that Eric was offended. Sometimes these things just happen.
> I noticed he did reply to the list, but the reply showed up in my
> Agent as a graphics file which I did not open. So I do not know what
> Eric's reply was.

Part of your original post was: "Particularly, I wanted to know
if there really was a mileage schedule that supplemented the
maintenance minders." Since this is a discussion group, rather than a
storytelling one, I am sure that several people assumed you actually
wanted to know the answer...

--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

Re: Chrysler two speed auto trans (was Maintenance Reminders redux)
 

Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
news:mq4ec359gngn1e0n0es8egd37c2gfegb59@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:37:23 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
> wrote:
>
>>My dad had 140,000 miles on his '58 Dodge Regent (Royal) by 1970. It was
>>the talk of the neighborhood at the time. The engine smoked and the 2-
>>speed automatic leaked badly.
>
> Yeah, we had a 1956 Desoto with a 350 ci hemihead engine coupled to
> that model transmission. The gear selector was a set of push buttons
> at the far left side of the dashboard with a mechanical linkage to the
> transmission.


Yes. And one thing we kids discovered was that you could push all the
buttons behind the faceplate at the same time. Drove my parents nuts. :)



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Chrysler two speed auto trans (was Maintenance Reminders redux)
 

Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
news:mq4ec359gngn1e0n0es8egd37c2gfegb59@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:37:23 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
> wrote:
>
>>My dad had 140,000 miles on his '58 Dodge Regent (Royal) by 1970. It was
>>the talk of the neighborhood at the time. The engine smoked and the 2-
>>speed automatic leaked badly.
>
> Yeah, we had a 1956 Desoto with a 350 ci hemihead engine coupled to
> that model transmission. The gear selector was a set of push buttons
> at the far left side of the dashboard with a mechanical linkage to the
> transmission.


Yes. And one thing we kids discovered was that you could push all the
buttons behind the faceplate at the same time. Drove my parents nuts. :)



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Chrysler two speed auto trans (was Maintenance Reminders redux)
 

Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
news:mq4ec359gngn1e0n0es8egd37c2gfegb59@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:37:23 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
> wrote:
>
>>My dad had 140,000 miles on his '58 Dodge Regent (Royal) by 1970. It was
>>the talk of the neighborhood at the time. The engine smoked and the 2-
>>speed automatic leaked badly.
>
> Yeah, we had a 1956 Desoto with a 350 ci hemihead engine coupled to
> that model transmission. The gear selector was a set of push buttons
> at the far left side of the dashboard with a mechanical linkage to the
> transmission.


Yes. And one thing we kids discovered was that you could push all the
buttons behind the faceplate at the same time. Drove my parents nuts. :)



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
news:7i0cc3tqc209nd46ss1cdl1ea0u8un1e42@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:19:53 -0400, Joe LaVigne
> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
>>Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
>>
>>> So, you asked for service mileage recommendations <snip>
>>He asked for Honda's recommendation. <snip>
>
> Thanks, but actually, I did not ask even for that. I told a tale,
> which included a report of my lack of success in finding a recommended
> service interval, but that is not the same as asking for one. It may
> be a fine point, but recounting an anecdote is not the same as
> requesting information.
>
> I am sorry that Eric was offended. Sometimes these things just happen.
> I noticed he did reply to the list, but the reply showed up in my
> Agent as a graphics file which I did not open.



Somehow it got converted to an HTML file. He does not appeared to have
added anything to the previous post, which was quoted in the HTML file.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Maintenance Reminders redux
 

Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
news:7i0cc3tqc209nd46ss1cdl1ea0u8un1e42@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:19:53 -0400, Joe LaVigne
> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:58 -0700
>>Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote:
>>
>>> So, you asked for service mileage recommendations <snip>
>>He asked for Honda's recommendation. <snip>
>
> Thanks, but actually, I did not ask even for that. I told a tale,
> which included a report of my lack of success in finding a recommended
> service interval, but that is not the same as asking for one. It may
> be a fine point, but recounting an anecdote is not the same as
> requesting information.
>
> I am sorry that Eric was offended. Sometimes these things just happen.
> I noticed he did reply to the list, but the reply showed up in my
> Agent as a graphics file which I did not open.



Somehow it got converted to an HTML file. He does not appeared to have
added anything to the previous post, which was quoted in the HTML file.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/